Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956268]I'm sorry but you can't keep them separate. The viewership he gets signal boosts his racist ideas and gives him a sense of legitimacy.[/QUOTE] I'm subscribed to him and I don't believe in a single thing he mentioned in his debate. Same for a lot of people. Only a small percentage even remotely cares about his stance on politics. The rest couldn't care either way.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956251]No actually racism is important. We're talking about a guy spreading the idea that whites are superior to blacks, and you're concerned with losing out on his comedy? Holy shit get your priorities in order and realize how fucked up of a trade you're talking about.[/QUOTE] Like anyone cares anyway. Tell me, how many people are fans of Jontron/ subscribed to him actually believe a thing he says outside his videos? I bet you some of them think he's playing a joke like in his videos, like a big act. Do think his fans go out on social media and say "You know my favorite Youtuber JonTron has some good political stances that I'm gonna preach! Ech!" I could name 4 people at my college who don't follow his Twitter and only ask for videos in return. The subscribers don't care, they just want to know when the next video is up.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956268]I'm sorry but you can't keep them separate. The viewership he gets signal boosts his racist ideas and gives him a sense of legitimacy.[/QUOTE] Keeping them separate is an individual thing though. Some people won't be able to watch his stuff anymore because of all this, some can. Also good for him. Let more people become aware of him and his racist views, he'll eventually hit a viewership ceiling anyway if he keeps spewing his crap thoughts everywhere.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956299]I mean if you don't agree with what I said prior, but you have to run the thought experiment; Would as many people being swayed into racist ideas if Jon Tron didn't have as much coverage and attention? Chances are the answer is no.[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to argue here.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956299]I mean if you don't agree with what I said prior, but you have to run the thought experiment; Would as many people being swayed into racist ideas if Jon Tron didn't have as much coverage and attention? Chances are the answer is no.[/QUOTE] The racist ideas he's been spreading trough his youtube channel for 7 years now. Honestly I have no idea myself how people figured this out just now if he's been doing it for so long. It's a mystery.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51956322]What are you even trying to argue here.[/QUOTE] that people are impressionable(as demonstrated by jontron) and that when the funnyman talks about how black people are criminals and mexicans are destroying the country and that if you disagree you aren't living in the real world to his millions of followers, some of them will probably listen?

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956299]I mean if you don't agree with what I said prior, but you have to run the thought experiment; Would as many people being swayed into racist ideas if Jon Tron didn't have as much coverage and attention? Chances are the answer is no.[/QUOTE] I think you are overestimating the power a youtuber who does video game comedy has to influence the political opinions of others, including impressionable teens, especially since these beliefs have nothing to do with what made his content great to begin with.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956330]that people are impressionable(as demonstrated by jontron) and that when the funnyman talks about how black people are criminals and mexicans are destroying the country and that if you disagree you aren't living in the real world to his millions of followers, some of them will probably listen?[/QUOTE] He could be more clear about that. However, none of that is in his actual youtube content, so i still fail to see how watching his videos is signal boosting his weird scattered political tangients on various livestreams and twitter.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956334]I think you are overestimating the power a youtuber who does video game comedy has to influence the political opinions of others, including impressionable teens, especially since these beliefs have nothing to do with what made his content great to begin with.[/QUOTE] a fucking reality TV star is the president you can't tell me that people don't listen to people in entertainment

-I think i get what he meant-

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51956336]He could be more clear about that. However, none of that is in his actual youtube content, so i still fail to see how watching his videos is signal boosting his weird scattered political tangients on various livestreams and twitter.[/QUOTE] He was plenty fucking clear. He was clear for two fucking hours. I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying that what he says DOES matter. We can argue about the degree, but it absolutley does to some extent.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956349]You're not getting it because you're acting as if his comedy career on youtube exists in some sort of vacuum.[/QUOTE] It does. Most of his subscribers probably aren't even aware his twitter exists. Most are only interested in the videos he makes and that's it.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51956360]It does. Most of his subscribers probably aren't even aware his twitter exists. Most are only interested in the videos he makes and that's it.[/QUOTE] he has roughly 2/3rds as many twitter followers as he does youtube subscribers.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956340]a fucking reality TV star is the president you can't tell me that people don't listen to people in entertainment[/QUOTE] He didn't win the presidency talking about his crappy show. Trump the politician won because pandered to the disgruntled and uneducated working class and was lucky to go up against a candidate with more dirt on her than a grassless lawn on a new suburban home and a broken electoral system that has been disproportionate for at least a century. No one would have been become pro-Trump zealots if he just remained a commenter on the 2016 general elections.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956365]he has roughly 2/3rds as many twitter followers as he does youtube subscribers.[/QUOTE] A little less, around 53%. So only about half, actually.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956371]He didn't win the presidency talking about his crappy show. Trump the politician won because pandered to the disgruntled and uneducated working class and was lucky to go up against a candidate with more dirt on her than a grassless lawn on a new suburban home and a broken electoral system that has been disproportionate for at least a century. No one would have been become pro-Trump zealots if he just remained a spectator in the 2016 general elections.[/QUOTE] My point is that when someone says shit, people don't go "well he's just some entertainment guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about". People seem just as willing to listen to some know nothing comedian as they are to anyone else, so to bring up their career as a reason why them espousing vile racist shit doesn't matter is just dishonest.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51956224]Is Steve Bannon an outlier on the alt right?[/QUOTE] Dunno. I haven't met him.

most of the people that will support jon on this are probably already stupid assholes, so i doubt him saying the stuff he's said will encourage barely anyone into being a xenophobe/racist who wasn't one formerly. maybe a few people might, but i doubt it's going to be a big problem

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956251] We're talking about a guy spreading the idea that whites are superior to blacks, and you're concerned with losing out on his comedy? [/QUOTE] did he say this though

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956374]Gonna need the mother of all wall of texts to back this up and not an anecdote.[/QUOTE] He only has about half as many twitter followers as Youtube subs so he's actually more or less correct (though not exactly accurate in the specific wording). Theres also the possibility of twitter followers who arent subbed but theres no way of actually knowing that anyway.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51956377]A little less, around 53%. So only about half, actually.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure 1.78 million people is 57% of 3.1 million? Which is a majority?

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51956388]did he say this though[/QUOTE] his bad opinions serve to reinforce the idea

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956397]I'm pretty sure 1.78 million people is 57% of 3.1 million? Which is a majority?[/QUOTE] Oh woops, i did that wrong, 56% actually. A majority, but still only a little above half.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956385]My point is that when someone says shit, people don't go "well he's just some entertainment guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about". People seem just as willing to listen to some know nothing comedian as they are to anyone else, so to bring up their career as a reason why them espousing vile racist shit doesn't matter is just dishonest.[/QUOTE] I guess I just have a hard time believing that people would just suddenly agree with what a famous person or anyone else says unless they already shared similar beliefs without questioning. Lots of people are impressionable I agree, and he does have a lot of twitter followers. I don't like what he says but I'll still watch his stuff. I don't want to seem like the weird person trying to defend this guy through a dozen pages so I'll just end with that.

[video=youtube;UH8cVLeVHEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH8cVLeVHEM[/video]

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956340]a fucking reality TV star is the president you can't tell me that people don't listen to people in entertainment[/QUOTE] Jon isn't running for political office, so whatever he says outside his videos doesn't matter as much.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;51956400]his bad opinions serve to reinforce the idea[/QUOTE] but what i'm interested in is if jontron has at any point claimed that whites are superior to other races

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51956388]did he say this though[/QUOTE] have you watched the video?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956413]have you watched the video?[/QUOTE] have you? it shouldn't be too hard to link a time where jon says "whites are superior to other races"

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956334]I think you are overestimating the power a youtuber who does video game comedy has to influence the political opinions of others, including impressionable teens, especially since these beliefs have nothing to do with what made his content great to begin with.[/QUOTE] I think you're underestimating it. The method of how he gained his following is more or less irrelevant when he has almost 2 million followers on Twitter that are potentially being exposed to his nonsense. Not to mention the fact that JonTron has been putting out more political content than gaming content over the past few months. Just because it isn't uploaded to his main channel doesn't mean it doesn't exist nor does it mean that it isn't being exposed to a very good amount of people.