Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically
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[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51956419]have you? it shouldn't be too hard to link a time where jon says "whites are superior to other races"[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://clips.twitch.tv/TalentedSavoryTroutLitty"]"Wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites. That's a fact, look it up"[/URL]
i take it you will ignore this because its not exact, mentioned right after the first post
this is just the tip
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51956419]have you? it shouldn't be too hard to link a time where jon says "whites are superior to other races"[/QUOTE]
He said a bunch of shit about how you can't attribute the higher average crime rate of black people to their environment, and how black people cause trouble everywhere they go, and how nobody wants to talk about the "real" problem which he refuses to ever talk about
he also talks about the how america is a white country, and they need to keep the white population from being subverted, and how mexicans are trying to steal america and turn it into mexico
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/JonTron/comments/5z69gh/35_quote_compilation_of_the_debate/[/url]
like here's a collection of quotes but you really should watch the video if you want to hear what he said, it's all pretty blatant
[QUOTE=mchapra;51956433][URL="https://clips.twitch.tv/TalentedSavoryTroutLitty"]"Wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites. That's a fact, look it up"[/URL]
i take it you will ignore this because its not exact, mentioned right after the first post[/QUOTE]
what do you mean it's not exact
it's not anywhere close
the dudes referencing a stat that isn't correct, it's nowhere near the same ballpark as thinking your race is inherently superior to another.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956436]He said a bunch of shit about how you can't attribute the higher average crime rate of black people to their environment, and how black people cause trouble everywhere they go, and how nobody wants to talk about the "real" problem which he refuses to ever talk about
he also talks about the how america is a white country, and they need to keep the white population from being subverted, and how mexicans are trying to steal america and turn it into mexico
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/JonTron/comments/5z69gh/35_quote_compilation_of_the_debate/[/url]
like here's a collection of quotes but you really should watch the video if you want to hear what he said, it's all[/QUOTE]
yes, I'm aware of his quotes. what I actually want to know if he has said anything close to "whites are superior to other races", like Vodkavia claims.
it's an unpopular opinion, but imo being worried about the "white gene pool" and losing all that "white culture" doesn't mean you're a racist. i think it's a pretty unfortunate/uninformed opinion, but doesn't hold nearly the amount of malice as actually being a racist does.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51956440]what do you mean it's not exact
it's not anywhere close
the dudes referencing a stat that isn't correct, it's nowhere near the same ballpark as thinking your race is inherently superior to another.[/QUOTE]
you really ought to watch the video if you want to have an opinion on what was said
[QUOTE=Primigenes;51956420]I can't believe you actually said this.
Lol, uninformed opinions? You're just as dumb as JonTron if you can't see why people unsubscribed to someone speaking pol posting points
What Jon said was overtly racist. If people don't want to support him financially by viewing his content then they should have that right. Fucking uninformed, like really? I wonder how some people make posts like this and then switch tabs without thinking "Did I just say something dumb".
It literally boils down to not supporting someone with offensive views regardless of how much you enjoy content.
[B]People have been doing it for years before the internet[/B]. Why would they stop just because poor little JonTron is funny.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do that a lot. I don't think. I just wanted an excuse to argue.
I'll still watch his videos though, and as a recent convert to the alt right it feels good to be in the racist crowd now because this world is literally black and white anyway (no pun intended).
Edit: I was thinking of snipping this but it's internet history. I wasn't being serious, I just got fired up for being called as dumb as JonTron.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956448]you really ought to watch the video if you want to have an opinion on what was said[/QUOTE]
i have watched the video, please do not assume otherwise because my opinion is different to yours.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51956446]yes, I'm aware of his quotes. what I actually want to know if he has said anything close to "whites are superior to other races", like Vodkavia claims.
it's an unpopular opinion, but imo being worried about the "white gene pool" and losing all that "white culture" doesn't mean you're a racist. i think it's a pretty unfortunate/uninformed opinion, but doesn't hold nearly the amount of malice as actually being a racist does.[/QUOTE]
if you think blacks are more criminal than whites, and that because of that they need to be kept out of the gene pool
doesn't that mean you think blacks are inferior?
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956451] and as a recent convert to the alt right it feels good to be in the racist crowd now because this world is literally black and white anyway (no pun intended).[/QUOTE]
what in the fuck
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956451]Yes, I do that a lot. I don't think. I just wanted an excuse to argue.
I'll still watch his videos though, and as a recent convert to the alt right it feels good to be in the racist crowd now because this world is literally black and white anyway (no pun intended).[/QUOTE]
Hahaha ha ha ha... ha ha... ha??
I watched the video too, heard JonTron say some really stupid shit but I never heard Jon say "whites are superior to blacks"
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956451]Yes, I do that a lot. I don't think. I just wanted an excuse to argue.
I'll still watch his videos though, and as a recent convert to the alt right it feels good to be in the racist crowd now because this world is literally black and white anyway (no pun intended).[/QUOTE]
holy shit
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956451] and as a recent convert to the alt right it feels good to be in the racist crowd[/QUOTE]
Damn, Daniel. This is retarded.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956451]Yes, I do that a lot. I don't think. I just wanted an excuse to argue.
I'll still watch his videos though, and as a recent convert to the alt right it feels good to be in the racist crowd now because this world is literally black and white anyway (no pun intended).[/QUOTE]
You're joking right? What the fuck?
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;51956470]I watched the video too, heard JonTron say some really stupid shit but I never heard Jon say "whites are superior to blacks"[/QUOTE]
if whites aren't superior to other races
and other races can integrate into american culture
then why does jontron believe that whites becoming a minority in the country is a crisis that needs to be averted by keeping other races out
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956481]if whites aren't superior to other races
and other races can integrate into american culture
then why does jontron believe that whites becoming a minority in the country is a crisis that needs to be averted by keeping other races out[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I'm not JonTron. I'm just telling you what I heard after listening for 2 hours.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956451]Yes, I do that a lot. I don't think. I just wanted an excuse to argue.
I'll still watch his videos though, and as a recent convert to the alt right it feels good to be in the racist crowd now because this world is literally black and white anyway (no pun intended).[/QUOTE]
this could be a joke, but there is absolutely no way to tell anymore
[QUOTE=kariko;51956480]You're joking right? What the fuck?[/QUOTE]
No I'm not joking. Jokes don't exist.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51956440]what do you mean it's not exact
it's not anywhere close
the dudes referencing a stat that isn't correct, it's nowhere near the same ballpark as thinking your race is inherently superior to another.[/QUOTE]
It's difficult to pinpoint a singular point at which he articulated this but it was a very central theme of the debate if you watch the whole thing. Many times it came to the question "Why do blacks commit disproportionately more crime" and while Destiny pressed for the answer, Jon always brushed off the answer. But it was pretty plainly obvious what he thought and was dodging the question.
I'd really recommend watching the whole debate, you won't get the whole picture from just reading the quotes.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;51956470]I watched the video too, heard JonTron say some really stupid shit but I never heard Jon say "whites are superior to blacks"[/QUOTE]
See "whites are superior to blacks" is a white supremacist statement. "Wealthy blacks commit more than poor white" is a racist statement based on incorrect data. White supremacists are almost always racist but racists aren't always white supremacists.
Not saying Jon Tron is a white supremacist or a racist but I think what he has said is racist.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;51956484]I dunno, I'm not JonTron. I'm just telling you what I heard after listening for 2 hours.[/QUOTE]
I don't know man, when someone says
"nothing except genetics could explain black criminality, but I'm not going to get into why blacks are criminals right now because I would be called a racist" I think it's REALLY easy to infer what it is they believe
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51956443]Your argument rests on the idea that his visibility he gained has had zero, zip, no effect on his ability to promote racist ideas, that theory is going to need actual data points that would be p damn hard if not impossible for anyone to come up with.
The fact that this thread exists, that videos exists documenting Jon Tron's racist rambling kind of completely pokes holes in that theory. The fact that Jon Tron has signal boosted shitheads like Sargon completely destroys any idea that his fame hasn't helped give his racist ideas more visibility.
Like you may was well be saying that celebrity endorsements don't fucking work despite the millions of dollars put into them, that things like George Foremen grills and Air Jordan shoes successes had NOTHING to do with high visibility of their sponsored athletes.[/QUOTE]
I uh... Im not really arguing that?
Im more referring to you saying his youtube is signal boosting when theres been no overlap so far between his content and his politics, and at least 43-44% of his audience arent even on his twitter.
Like i get he's doing it on his twitter and theres 1.78 million people who see it there, but none of thats been on his youtube.
I think that Jon is coming off as racist as well, I just don't want people to start putting words in people's mouths because that doesn't do anybody any good.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956178][URL]https://www.twitch.tv/videos/128503581[/URL]
starts around 13~ minutes
this is the most fucking disgusting thing I've ever heard
how can people interact with this pond scum without fucking killing themselves[/QUOTE]
I was with destiny until he started implying decreasing wages is a good thing.
Like yeah you geta cheaper ps4, except only middle class people can afford it while everyone else is on 20p a day.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956502]I don't know man, when someone says
"nothing except genetics could explain black criminality, but I'm not going to get into why blacks are criminals right now because I would be called a racist" I think it's REALLY easy to infer what it is they believe[/QUOTE]
Yes, you should judge on what is said, not what you think it infers.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956481]if whites aren't superior to other races
and other races can integrate into american culture
then why does jontron believe that whites becoming a minority in the country is a crisis that needs to be averted by keeping other races out[/QUOTE]
Because he doesn't think they should. He never gave a more detailed answer for it despite being asked that 5+ times. Must he be wrong though? Isn't it possible to believe that without being racist? Becoming a minority, that is.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956488]No I'm not joking. Jokes don't exist.[/QUOTE]
They really don't though. When legit racists are like "haha let's gas the kikes(no but really mexicans are subhuman mongrels who rape our women)" how is anyone supposed to tell what's legit and what isn't?
Like you just made a joke, but fucking Pvt. Martin did that exact same shit but for real. So how is anyone even supposed to know anymore?
Jon definitely said some stupid racist stuff, but he's never seemed like a racist to me. Just a guy who really needs to stay away from politics. He clearly can't articulate his thoughts very well and he really isn't suited for debate.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51956512]I was with destiny until he started implying decreasing wages is a good thing.
Like yeah you geta cheaper ps4, except only middle class people can afford it while everyone else is on 20p a day.[/QUOTE]
I think he's saying that decreasing wages from excess labor lowers prices, therefore rising the cost of living for the average American. It's the market place at work. There's moderation to all in economics though, which he acknowledges by saying mass immigration is not what he's talking about.
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