Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956605]why do you want to reserve your culture only for people of your race like we aren't talking about "foreign people", we're talking about non whites[/QUOTE] What's funny is, for all the bitching the right wingers do, they seem to believe in quite a few "SJW" like policies, as an example on the other end of the spectrum this would be called... [I]Cultural appropriation.[/I]

[QUOTE=Pascall;51956634]Then stop posting.[/QUOTE] something that jontron should learn from

I want to get off this timeline

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51956657]I want to learn though.[/QUOTE] Okay that's good then actually listen to what people are telling you and there's no problem.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51956659]It's ok, admitting any sort of weakness in any area is a pretty great thing IMO and I admire that. It's better than Jon did at least. The only thing I'm trying to get you to realize is that by providing him with views and subscribers, you're contributing to the exposure of his views to a large amount of less informed and very impressionable people.[/QUOTE] Guilty pleasures. I have my faults.

I can never get over how snazzy the Nazis looked. [I]Mmm [b]DAMN[/b][/I]

[QUOTE=Naught;51956662]something that jontron should learn from[/QUOTE] :v: I guess he did, years ago, but then he unlearned it and made it worse

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956655]I'm trying to understand what possible interpretation of jontron's statements you could have that isn't racist, because you asked "isn't it possible to have these views and not be racist" and you're saying the not racist reason for keeping out brown people is "I don't like how brown people look"[/QUOTE] Yes, I guess I am. You don't have to consider them inferior or hate/dislike them while doing it though. You might just believe that they don't fit in and that they have their own culture to be a part of, that every culture should keep their own traditonal look.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51956561]I still read Lovecraft despite his rather untasteful remarks regarding black people and native americans in his work. Ofcourse he's dead, but I betcha I enjoy the art of so many racists without knowing it I don't really feel bothered. Good on all the ppl making an active decision not to tho.[/QUOTE] Lovecraft was a social outcast who lived in a shed and had little human contact or influence. Plus Lovecraft's personality wasn't crucial to his work, and his stories became hot shit after he was dead. Meanwhile Jon has a huge platform with fuck tons of followers from which he can help normalize bigotry. I get your point but they aren't nearly the same.

[QUOTE=RB33;51956695]Yes, I guess I am. You don't have to consider them inferior or hate/dislike them while doing it though. You might just believe that they don't fit in and that they have their own culture to be a part of, that every culture should keep their own traditonal look.[/QUOTE] why don't they fit in?

A bit off-topic but to be honest primigenes bro you go a little too hard in a lot of your arguments like you're not wrong but I feel you can make your point without telling him that he's attached to jontrons loins and saying people don't go outside. I feel like really I guess "emotional" speaking like that really detracts from your arguments and will make people want to disagree with you more-so out of personal pride and shit rather than your actual points.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956547]I feel sad for JonTron. If he'd just kept quiet about his thoughts, nobody would be hurling abuse at him.[/QUOTE] He deserves the "abuse". His thoughts are unacceptable, and the only reason I could see him coming out so open about them all of a sudden, is because he want to try to "redpill" his fans. Clearly that has backfired in a big way.

He can still fix this, I hope. He just needs to admit his mistakes and stay as far away from social media and politics as humanly possible for a good while. Hopefully he's smart enough to realize that.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956710]why don't they fit in?[/QUOTE] Because they don't look like everyone else. Take one person from anywhere in the world and put them in a country on the opposite side of the earth, would they look like they fit in?

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51956548]JonTron v 2.0: Racial SuperiECHTity.[/QUOTE] JonTron v 2.0: Time for some Echnic Cleansing JonTron v 2.0: Who's The Real Parrot? JonTron v 2.0: Game Trumps JonTron v 2.0: No, The Other Kind of Aryan JonTron v 2.0: Enter Promo Code 'Jontron' at Auidble.com for a Free Copy of The Bell Curve JonTron v 2.0: 104% Persian with a 4% Margin of Error

[QUOTE=RB33;51956742]Because they don't look like everyone else. Take one person from anywhere in the world and put them in a country on the opposite side of the earth, would they look like they fit in?[/QUOTE] Okay, so either Jontron thinks brown people shouldn't be allowed into the country because: 1) They look different to how white people look and they wouldn't fit in 2) They have undesirable genes

[QUOTE=Slim Charles;51956725]A bit off-topic but to be honest primigenes bro you go a little too hard in a lot of your arguments like you're not wrong but I feel you can make your point without telling him to relax and saying people don't go aside. I feel like really I guess "emotional" speaking like that really detracts from your arguments.[/QUOTE] When you know they are completely right and they word their argument in a way that suggests I'm just retarded and that I'll always be that way then it just kinda digs deep. I feel that was good for me though because I wouldn't have made my pointless argument extremely visible without an emotional response, if that makes any sense. (Sorry I'll stop going off topic)

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956743]"Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork."[/QUOTE] That's pretty crazy of you to equate it to 1984. People using their free speech to criticize someone's shit opinions =/ a fascist dictatorship.

tbh I've been avoiding giving a shit but what exactly ARE his opinions anyways, without taking them out of context?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956747]Okay, so either Jontron thinks brown people shouldn't be allowed into the country because: 1) They look different to how white people look and they wouldn't fit in 2) They have undesirable genes[/QUOTE] Or 3) The Europe events, he kept trying to refer to. The problems of integration. Which I believe he is exaggerating though. The most likely reason however and the one I agree with is that no one should be a minority in a country where they have been the majority.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956743]"Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork."[/QUOTE] If someone is a white supremacist you call them out for shit because that kind of thinking is awful and unacceptable. Wanting it to be illegal is a whole other can of worms.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956743]"Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork."[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/JonTron/comments/5z69gh/35_quote_compilation_of_the_debate/[/url]

[QUOTE=J!NX;51956759]tbh I've been avoiding giving a shit but what exactly ARE his opinions anyways, without taking them out of context?[/QUOTE] I mean if you want to hear it in context, you kinda have to just listen to him talk but here are some choice quotes. I don't think they're taken out of context, but maybe they read differently if you haven't heard the stream. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/JonTron/comments/5z69gh/35_quote_compilation_of_the_debate/[/url]

[QUOTE=J!NX;51956759]tbh I've been avoiding giving a shit but what exactly ARE his opinions anyways, without taking them out of context?[/QUOTE] You may as well just watch the debate. You don't HAVE to watch the whole thing, since you'll get an okay start on what his lens is from like, 20-30 minutes of it. Though I'd recommend the rest too.

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;51956727]His thoughts are unacceptable,[/QUOTE] so he's guilty of thought crimes then? thats fine. his subscriber count has already bounced back from anybody unsubscribing from him out of protest. i'm sure he'll be okay.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956761]Oh no, i've fallen into the exact pickle that JonTron did. I should have just kept my thoughts about keeping jontron's thoughts to himself to myself.[/QUOTE] or just be prepared for people to disagree with you. that might work

[QUOTE=RB33;51956763]Or 3) The Europe events, he kept trying to refer to. The problems of integration. Which I believe he is exaggerating though. The most likely reason and the one I agree with is that no one should be a minority in a country where they have been the majority.[/QUOTE] Why? What is wrong with that?

[QUOTE=J!NX;51956759]tbh I've been avoiding giving a shit but what exactly ARE his opinions anyways, without taking them out of context?[/QUOTE] in short, "strongly uninformed"

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956785]JonTron is a white supremacist nazi bigot.[/QUOTE] are you PUI or something

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51956775]so he's guilty of thought crimes then? thats fine. his subscriber count has already bounced back from anybody unsubscribing from him out of protest. i'm sure he'll be okay.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/s6xyCTf.png[/IMG] [url]https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/jontronshow/realtime[/url]