Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51956775]so he's guilty of thought crimes then? thats fine. his subscriber count has already bounced back from anybody unsubscribing from him out of protest. i'm sure he'll be okay.[/QUOTE] okay so its bad to hate people who think minorities are inferior? 1984= calling out white supremacy lmao

[QUOTE=RB33;51956763]Or 3) The Europe events, he kept trying to refer to. The problems of integration. Which I believe he is exaggerating though. The most likely reason however and the one I agree with is that no one should be a minority in a country where they have been the majority.[/QUOTE] skin colour doesnt matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=RB33;51956763]Or 3) The Europe events, he kept trying to refer to. The problems of integration. Which I believe he is exaggerating though. The most likely reason however and the one I agree with is that no one should be a minority in a country where they have been the majority.[/QUOTE] *cough* Native Americans *cough*

Man, these past few months of JonTron are really putting some context into Jon disappearing from Game Grumps...

The amount of sockpuppets that came out of the woodwork on the subreddit is unreal. I've never seen so many <4 day accounts with the words "As a (insert race/minority here) man..." as the first 4 letters since the last primary. Anyway, do I think Jon's a dumbass? Yes. Do I think he's the embodiment of the worst? No.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51956775]so he's guilty of thought crimes then? thats fine. his subscriber count has already bounced back from anybody unsubscribing from him out of protest. i'm sure he'll be okay.[/QUOTE] Goddamn what's with the 1984 comparisons in this thread. "Acceptable" doesn't mean that Wafflemonstr is proposing he get thrown in a gulag or something. And then you latch right onto argumentum ad popularum when that's completely irrelevant? Hell, quite a lot of people in the original thread were even saying that they're still going to happily enjoy his content as long as it's still good, regardless of his idiotic opinions outside of them.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956785]JonTron is a white supremacist nazi bigot.[/QUOTE] He's an idiot that's probably racist and does believe in the idea (as far as can be told) of racial purity, but he's not saying people should go kill on racial prejudice.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51956754]That's pretty crazy of you to equate it to 1984. People using their free speech to criticize someone's shit opinions =/ a fascist dictatorship.[/QUOTE] don't you know that the first amendment was made for tradnats to fill my ears with horseshit but not for me to call them dumbfucks

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956761]JonTron should shut his bigoted mouth, that man should have his YouTube channel removed, he really shouldn't be allowed to spread his vile filth to other people.[/QUOTE] Now your editing your comments from 1984 quotes to create a giant man from straw, lmao pathetic

[QUOTE=kariko;51956778]Why? What is wrong with that?[/QUOTE] Let's say you and your people got your own country for yourself, you get to decide over your own lives. One day, colonizers or conquerors come and displace you, after a while they outnumber you. They pass laws to discriminate against you and as you are fewer than them, you don't get to overrule their decision. You're now a minority in your own country and are being discriminated against. This has happened throughout history, it's very unlikely to happen now. But that's why it's bad, you no longer get to control what was once yours. It's better to let groups have their own country for themselves, so that no one else are ruling for them.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956816]You literally have a nazi as your avatar, you bigot. Stop supporting racism.[/QUOTE] How mad do you have to be about ppl calling out a guy who said blacks are bad for the gene pool to act like a total fool like this

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956816]You literally have a nazi as your avatar, you bigot. Stop supporting racism.[/QUOTE] You literally have a space criminal as your avatar, you criminal. Stop supporting crime.

JonTron is free to say whatever he wants. He is not free to escape criticism.

[QUOTE=RB33;51956817]Let's say you and your people got your own country for yourself, you get to decide over your own lives. One day, colonizers or conquerors come and displace you, after a while they outnumber you. They pass laws to discriminate against you and as you are fewer than them, you don't get overrule their decision. You're now a minority in your own country and are being discriminated against. This has happened throughout history, it's very unlikely to happen now. But that's why it's bad, you no longer get to control what was once yours. It's better to let groups have their own country for themselves, so that no one else are ruling for them.[/QUOTE] Cool, I hope the Native Americans take back America then. That'd be neat.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956761]JonTron should shut his bigoted mouth, that man should have his YouTube channel removed, he really shouldn't be allowed to spread his vile filth to other people.[/QUOTE] Definitely did not say that lmao My point was that I was glad he revealed himself for what he truly is so that he can be unrelentingly "abused"(as you put it) for his terrible opinions. Without free-speech we would not be able to disagree with him, or at least not publicly, so for you to interpret my post as me "1984"-ing him, that just shows where your head's at. If you aren't confident enough, or are not able to argue your opinions publicly, and instead resort to 'stop silencing me' when anyone tries to argue, maybe your opinions are worthless.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51956797]*cough* Native Americans *cough*[/QUOTE] Yeah, that was terrible. They should have their own nation and no one should be taking power and land away from them.

[QUOTE=RB33;51956817]Let's say you and your people got your own country for yourself, you get to decide over your own lives. One day, colonizers or conquerors come and displace you, after a while they outnumber you. They pass laws to discriminate against you and as you are fewer than them, you don't get to overrule their decision. You're now a minority in your own country and are being discriminated against. This has happened throughout history, it's very unlikely to happen now. But that's why it's bad, you no longer get to control what was once yours. It's better to let groups have their own country for themselves, so that no one else are ruling for them.[/QUOTE] so you're saying that if whites become a minority all of the black people and asians and mexicans are going to gang up and create anti white legislation

Jon Tron is unfunny

Holy shit, Jackald did a 180.

Honestly what jon will do is just make a short video making fun of the interview ("THE END OF THE WORLD HAS COME" or something) with some informative semi-apologic stuff. Cause here's the deal bois: Jon is a big meanyhead, but he likes money.

[QUOTE=MasterKade;51956844]Holy shit, Jackald did a 180.[/QUOTE] ofc he did, he got BTFO so hard he went full left, instead of backing up his arguments

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51956841]so you're saying that if whites become a minority all of the black people and asians and mexicans are going to gang up and create anti white legislation[/QUOTE] I answered why it can be bad, not that it's going to happen. But there are lots of people believing that.

[QUOTE=ImUnstoppable;51956791]okay so its bad to hate people who think minorities are inferior? 1984= calling out white supremacy lmao[/QUOTE] how can it be white supremacy when he's an iranian

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51956862]how can it be white supremacy when he's an iranian[/QUOTE] "its impossible to be a self hating racist" yes, the jews who helped hitler never existed and African Americans who supported Jim Crow laws didnt either

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51956862]how can it be white supremacy when he's an iranian[/QUOTE] maybe you're just refusing to actually listen to the "debate" he did for some reason i'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't take the time to listen to him complain about black people becoming a more populous part of the gene pool if you [I]did[/I] listen to that, then i'm bewildered by your defense of it, nitpicking at wording while complaining about people calling him out on such blatant racism

[QUOTE=Stroheim;51956799]sockpuppets[/QUOTE] yeah alright dude

[QUOTE=ImUnstoppable;51956869]"its impossible to be a self hating racist" yes, the jews who helped hitler never existed and African Americans who supported Jim Crow laws didnt either[/QUOTE] And in addition to that, I'm sure many ethnically iranian people do consider themselves white (I don't know what jon thinks, he's half hungarian too.) The funny thing is that "white" IS something of a social construct, and a very mutable one at that. Irish weren't white, italians weren't white, slavs weren't white, at different points in time. And even the nazis broke europeans up into several races, only some being MASTERRACE.

[QUOTE=Jackald;51956816]You literally have a nazi as your avatar, you bigot. Stop supporting racism.[/QUOTE] So are you just gonna strawman or actually talk about it? From watching the stream, Jon has said some really ridiculous shit. Stuff like "Wealthy blacks also commit more crime than poor whites, that's a fact." "We've gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries. If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you're living in a fantasy land." And one of the worst... [url]https://clips.twitch.tv/IncredulousSpikyCockroachDendiFace[/url] And no, none of this means Jontron is a "nazi white supremacist". He's said some really uninformed things and people are free to criticize it just as he is free to say those things. But lumping people into some extreme like saying everyone's calling him a nazi white supremacist is really stupid. IMO, he makes good content, but he has shitty opinions. There's nothing wrong with calling it out and for some people, unsubscribing from his stuff because of that.

what the fuck is this argument even becoming

[QUOTE=bitches;51956876]maybe you're just refusing to actually listen to the "debate" he did for some reason i'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't take the time to listen to him complain about black people becoming a more populous part of the gene pool if you [I]did[/I] listen to that, then i'm bewildered by your defense of it, nitpicking at wording while complaining about people calling him out on such blatant racism[/QUOTE] i defend jon's right to have an opinion and i didn't complain about anyone calling him racist.