Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Benjimon007;51958686]Yep, guess one of my favorite youtubers just commited career suicide. I've noticed barely any of his youtube collegues are coming to his aid. I've seen Ricepirate arguing Jon is not racist and I've seen Sargon making fun of people for claiming otherwise, but other than them, barely anyone. Not even fucking Ethan. Goes to show you how deep the hole is he dug for himself.[/QUOTE] Totalbiscuit put two soundclouds out about it: [media]http://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/gizmodo-planet-of-hacks[/media] [media]http://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/the-maddening-crowd[/media]

Dicaprio winning an oscar surely screwed this timeline beyond belief.

apparently if you watch the live feed long enough it shows a neat little graph of the past few minutes [t]http://i.imgur.com/FyLil6L.png[/t]

It's almost as if the first amendment very specifically says that hate speech is unconstitutional.

[T]http://i.imgur.com/8Lx0rFn.png[/T] [T]http://i.imgur.com/dK8OfFY.png[/T]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51957018]i think jontron fell into a bad crowd after the whole "retarded" thing[/QUOTE] I'll be honest I don't even blame him for that "retarded" thing. I just think getting attacked by arseholes and spinning off onto the opposite side isn't the best reaction.

I didn't click on this thread on purpose when it got posted because I figured it might change my opinion of Jon - but sweet fuck did I not expect to open this can of nazi worms of a thread. That picture above is really the nail in the coffin. How the hell does Jon think he just didn't "articulate himself" when he kind of went above and beyond to paint a picture in my head of the basic point he's trying to get across while not overtly saying "I'm quite the racist". The fact that his parents are immigrants just makes it more dumb sounding

-snip snap snoopity bop-

Well i haven't reached the point where i condemn and shun him. But his arguments are crap, and are presented crappily. It's not entirely as bad as some of you are making it out to be i think though- unless you're being somewhat facetious about it. Like i think the crux of what he is saying, Is that he doesn't want to see American culture dissolved away by a big influx of immigrants. I think? I imagine what he's getting at is the same sort of feeling i'd have if Danes were suddenly a minority in Danmark. His argument falls apart in my opinion when you consider what America is: A nation of immigrants, its meant to have a melting pot of all cultures, sort of like a world-peace experiment isn't it? Pretty dumb.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;51952330]It gets even fuckin weirder once you find out that he apparently voted for bernie in the primaries[/QUOTE] I think you'll find that a lot of people who consider themselves traditional left have been pushed to the right due to actions from the left itself. Jontron's opinions on things may be retarded, but it's what happens when extremists chase you out of the moderate zone straight into the arms of other extremists. You stay on /pol/ too long or surround yourself with its people, you're eventually going to end up spewing bullshit and think of yourself as enlightened aka 'red pilled'. That's basically what the alt-right is. The alt-right developed as a backlash against the regressive left. It's a reactionary thing, and you don't get rid of it by attacking it. That will only further entrench those people or worse chase them even further into the madness that is the extreme right.

[QUOTE=Fangz;51958783]Totalbiscuit put two soundclouds out about it: [media]http://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/gizmodo-planet-of-hacks[/media] [media]http://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/the-maddening-crowd[/media][/QUOTE] I'm listening to this and so far I'm hearing TB talk about how much better he is than other people by using the loud and shitty minority as an example. We really have a problem on the internet where we can only ever hear the voices of those who shouldn't be listened to. Why does everything always come back to this? No Mr. Biscuit we don't want you to condemn JonTron, it's not a test, we're not asking for you to confirm our opinions, it's just you're coming out and voicing your opinions on JonTron and so far all it comes across as is another excuse for you to tell people your opinions are better than theirs. #oh no it's a moderate, run!

[QUOTE=Rossy167;51959057]I'm listening to this and so far I'm hearing TB talk about how much better he is than other people by using the loud and shitty minority as an example. Why does everything always come back to this?[/QUOTE] You don't consider yourself better than the loud and shitty minority?

No matter how "racist" Jon is or how dumb he is in terms of politics, it's not going to stop me from enjoying his videos. But the sad thing is now his youtube comments are going to be flooded with a bunch of haters, just because he got involved with something he shouldn't have.

[QUOTE=V12US;51959068]You don't consider yourself better than the loud and shitty minority?[/QUOTE] There's a tiny amount of people who will come out whenever some internet controversy happens and scream and shout. Start hate, the kind of people that DDOSed and sent death threats to Jim Sterling for giving the new Zelda an 8/10. All I'm saying is that the majority of people, either just ignore all this or sit and have discussions about it (like this thread). Yeah I consider myself and everyone willing to have a reasonable discussion better than people sending death threats and DDOSing, the problem is TB has reached a point where everyone he disagrees with is part of "the maddening crowd" because it must be hard to get so much hate on a daily basis, even if he knows the majority of people are silently on his side.

[QUOTE=Benjimon007;51958686]Yep, guess one of my favorite youtubers just commited career suicide. I've noticed barely any of his youtube collegues are coming to his aid. I've seen Ricepirate arguing Jon is not racist and I've seen Sargon making fun of people for claiming otherwise, but other than them, barely anyone. Not even fucking Ethan. Goes to show you how deep the hole is he dug for himself.[/QUOTE] Seems that he pissed off PBG again and something might be happening to Normal Boots: [url]https://twitter.com/PeanutButterGmr/status/841569731719049216[/url] I personally unsubbed to Jon. I liked to follow him & others for goofs on their social media pages, but it's just too much now. I didn't subscribe to him so I could receive a near constant stream of political commentary.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;51959076]There's a tiny amount of people who will come out whenever some internet controversy happens and scream and shout. Start hate, the kind of people that DDOSed and sent death threats to Jim Sterling for giving the new Zelda an 8/10. All I'm saying is that the majority of people, either just ignore all this or sit and have discussions about it (like this thread). Yeah I consider myself and everyone willing to have a reasonable discussion better than people sending death threats and DDOSing, the problem is TB has reached a point where everyone he disagrees with is part of "the maddening crowd" because it must be hard to get so much hate on a daily basis, even if he knows the majority of people are silently on his side.[/QUOTE] To be honest, seeing a thread on Facepunch go over ten pages is a pretty good indicator to me that it's anything [i]but[/i] a reasonable discussion. It's typically half peanut row and half a handful of posters acting like bulls during mating season.

[QUOTE=Killajax;51959072]No matter how "racist" Jon is or how dumb he is in terms of politics, it's not going to stop me from enjoying his videos. But the sad thing is now his youtube comments are going to be flooded with a bunch of haters, just because he got involved with something he shouldn't have.[/QUOTE] After finally taking a look i have to agree. I love Jontron, his awful political opinions won't change that. I don't think he's racist, it just seemed like he had no idea how to say what he wanted to. I'm not pardoning what he said but, you know.

[QUOTE=V12US;51959090]To be honest, seeing a thread on Facepunch go over ten pages is a pretty good indicator to me that it's anything [i]but[/i] a reasonable discussion. It's typically half peanut row and half a handful of posters acting like bulls during mating season.[/QUOTE] And yet none of us are anywhere near as bad as how TB paints us in his soundcloud.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51956775]so he's guilty of thought crimes then? thats fine. his subscriber count has already bounced back from anybody unsubscribing from him out of protest. i'm sure he'll be okay.[/QUOTE] "this guy has shitty opinions that shouldn't be socially acceptable in modern society" != "this guy should be arrested for having shitty opinions"

[QUOTE=rilez;51959089]Seems that he pissed off PBG again and something might be happening to Normal Boots: [url]https://twitter.com/PeanutButterGmr/status/841569731719049216[/url] I personally unsubbed to Jon. I liked to follow him & others for goofs on their social media pages, but it's just too much now. I didn't subscribe to him so I could receive a near constant stream of political commentary.[/QUOTE] "silence is violence. if you don't condemn it, you might as well stand with it. Love you tho Xx" good lord those replies [editline]14th March 2017[/editline] for reference this is in response to pointing out that people are asking him to kill himself

Has any credible place actually reported on that yet, and also come to think of it [b]is[/b] there a place that could credibily report on this? I can't think of any site that wouldn't do this whole thing poorly.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51959141]"silence is violence. if you don't condemn it, you might as well stand with it. Love you tho Xx"[/QUOTE] Yeah, that stuff is overkill. Anything beyond "oh, think i'll unsub now" is probably overkill.

183 people reading eh? what's going on

[QUOTE=343N;51959182]183 people reading eh? what's going on[/QUOTE] Jontron a nazi and we all hate him and you should too

[QUOTE=Fangz;51958783] [media]http://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/the-maddening-crowd[/media][/QUOTE] Hammer, meet nails head. Can't get over how spot on this is.

[QUOTE=rilez;51959089]Seems that he pissed off PBG again and something might be happening to Normal Boots: [url]https://twitter.com/PeanutButterGmr/status/841569731719049216[/url] I personally unsubbed to Jon. I liked to follow him & others for goofs on their social media pages, but it's just too much now. I didn't subscribe to him so I could receive a near constant stream of political commentary.[/QUOTE] It's okay, Jon seems inclined to a different type of boots nowadays, anyway.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51958201]Seperating art from artist only really works when the artist is dead or reformed imho.[/QUOTE] it all depends on if they put it into their content, imo. jon is fine by me because he keeps political shit out of his skits. But the instant he starts putting crap into them, thats when I stop caring and unsub.

Could someone explain what the hell is going on?

[QUOTE=ImUnstoppable;51956791]okay so its bad to hate people who think minorities are inferior? 1984= calling out white supremacy lmao[/QUOTE] It's bad to hate anybody mate. [editline]14th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=josm;51959228]Could someone explain what the hell is going on?[/QUOTE] Witch hunt of the month.

[QUOTE=josm;51959228]Could someone explain what the hell is going on?[/QUOTE] JonTron is [I]literally [/I] Hitler.