Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;51960961]But Colonialism did help out Africa, it turned to shit only when the Europeans were forced out.[/QUOTE] Aren't you the guy that said the US was right in turning away Jews during WWII because they couldve been German spies? ediT: holy shit you are hahaha now i see why your post is batshit insane

Richard fucking Spencer is now involved with Jontron. Fuck me. Good thing JonTron hasn't said a thing since Monday, but I don't know how he's gonna get himself out of this hole.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51961281]I see. Perhaps it could still be use in counter arguments? Im not big into data.[/QUOTE] You might be able to infer something since the [B]vast[/B] majority of crime is intra-racial, not interracial. So most crime on whites is done by whites, blacks by blacks etc etc. The reason we can't simply use arrest and incarceration rates is, really genuinely more related to casual racism through profiling than any inherent inclination to crime in certain ethnicities, according to theory. Case in point, blacks are almost 4 times as likely to be arrested for possessing marijuana, but blacks and whites use marijuana at similar rates. (Read the entire ACLU meta analysis here [URL="https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf"]https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf[/URL])

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51961346]Richard fucking Spencer is now involved with Jontron. Fuck me. Good thing JonTron hasn't said a thing since Monday, but I don't know how he's gonna get himself out of this hole.[/QUOTE] makes me sad for PDP, he was in spencer's tweet about new 'redpilled' youtubers

[URL="https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43"]Arrests reported to the FBI in 2015, by crime type and ethnicity[/URL] As you can see, stuff like "fraud" and "embezzlement" have whites in the lead, compared to other types of violent crimes. This doesn't show much because like what EcksDee said, casual racial profiling. But these are the numbers of a sample size of around 250 million people, so do with it what you will. Even drug offenses, whites are light years ahead. Per capita, blacks may be responsible for more crimes, but that doesn't tell us much because of population densities. Point is, Jon didn't do any research.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;51960961]But Colonialism did help out Africa, it turned to shit only when the Europeans were forced out.[/QUOTE] thanks for the input Mr. Cinnamon "why not place landmines along most of the border" Bun

[QUOTE=haloguy234;51961393][URL="https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43"]Arrests reported to the FBI in 2015, by crime type and ethnicity[/URL] As you can see, stuff like "fraud" and "embezzlement" have whites in the lead, compared to other types of violent crimes. This doesn't show much because like what EcksDee said, casual racial profiling. But these are the numbers of a sample size of around 250 million people, so do with it what you will. Even drug offenses, whites are light years ahead. Per capita, blacks may be responsible for more crimes, but that doesn't tell us much because of population densities. Point is, Jon didn't do any research.[/QUOTE] Point is, there isn't a relationship between race and propensity to commit crimes, period. It has nothing to do with genetics, you're not genetically predisposed to commit crimes in any way. It's straight up race realism to believe that just because a person is black they're more likely to commit crimes regardless of their economic and societal conditions, it's a statement that supports racial profiling and the institutional racism that actual social activists have fought against for half a century. I don't know what JonTron is gonna do, I don't think he's so far gone that he can't realize he's going down a really dark path that's gonna destroy his career, but I don't see him changing his views without a voice of reason intervening. It's also incredible how much shit PewDiePie got for something comparably harmless when what JonTron said is far more outrageous.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51961346]Richard fucking Spencer is now involved with Jontron. Fuck me. Good thing JonTron hasn't said a thing since Monday, but I don't know how he's gonna get himself out of this hole.[/QUOTE] Can't wait for the KKK to make Jon an honorary Grand Dragon

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51961432]Point is, there isn't a relationship between race and propensity to commit crimes, period. It has nothing to do with genetics, you're not genetically predisposed to commit crimes in any way. It's straight up race realism to believe that just because a person is black they're more likely to commit crimes regardless of their economic and societal conditions, it's a statement that supports racial profiling and the institutional racism that actual social activists have fought against for half a century. I don't know what JonTron is gonna do, I don't think he's so far gone that he can't realize he's going down a really dark path that's gonna destroy his career, but I don't see him changing his views without a voice of reason intervening. It's also incredible how much shit PewDiePie got for something comparably harmless when what JonTron said is far more outrageous.[/QUOTE] Yeah exactly. It comes down to socioeconomics and upbringing.

[video]https://youtu.be/jyU5Bspq9ok?t=349[/video] As always, Boogie puts it the best way. Wish people approached situations like he did.

[QUOTE=Keychain;51961461][video]https://youtu.be/jyU5Bspq9ok?t=349[/video] As always, Boogie puts it the best way. Wish people approached situations like he did.[/QUOTE] Time and time again, tabloid bullshit has lambasted people for doing pretty innocuous shit, and time and time again people have come back with the defense "you're blowing things out of proportion, he isn't a racist, it's just a joke etc . . ." And almost always, I agreed. I think there are a lot of people who make a career out of blowing nothing up into something huge and terrible, and most of the time when there's some outrage, there's nothing behind it. [I]This isn't the same situation.[/I] We aren't talking about a nazi joke at the expense of keemstar, or an offensive word that people don't like, or someone stereotyping some group of people. We're talking about legit, real fucking deal, explicit [I]white nationalism[/I]. The belief that white people are genetically superior, and that if we let in the negroids they will pollute the white species. How the fuck can you just say that's "just his opinion" and "he's just thinking for himself"? How the fuck can you think someone regurgitating the rhetoric of neo nazis and racial purists is "someone trying on a different hat"? Am I seriously just completely out of step with what other people consider acceptable? Do any of you reading this seriously think that the belief that America is a white nation that has to bar entry from the degenerate races is right up there with making a joke about how women complain a lot?

[Media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/841786728784515072[/media] [Media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/841786871105609729[/media] Sargon continues to be a shithead

[QUOTE=KillRay;51961548] Sargon continues to be the shithead he's been for a majority of time.[/QUOTE]

I just got to the part in the OP video where he says that we're actually in a historic era of world peace and Jon's ominously like "that's about to change." Aw shucks man what the hell are you doing.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51961548] Sargon continues to be a shithead[/QUOTE] Trump is president and everyone I liked on the internet is going mad, what a terrible time.

[QUOTE=Keychain;51961461][video]https://youtu.be/jyU5Bspq9ok?t=349[/video] As always, Boogie puts it the best way. Wish people approached situations like he did.[/QUOTE] I agree with most of what he's trying to say, but in Jon's case: What was he expecting? If you share blatantly racist and, regardless of what some users in the comments section would believe, incorrect opinions, and people are going to criticize you over it. A lot of people, especially in those red-pilled circles, don't really understand that "freedom of speech" doesn't mean you can say whatever you want and others have to shut up and not respond to it.

[QUOTE=Keychain;51961461][video]https://youtu.be/jyU5Bspq9ok?t=349[/video] As always, Boogie puts it the best way. Wish people approached situations like he did.[/QUOTE] not really, he's comparing someone who literally said lots of racist shit, to someone who got a few quotes taken completely out of context. They're totally different and his way of approaching it is to just put it into one big bag of 'internet hate machine takin things out of context! blowin it out of proportion!' yea no. He just doesn't want anyone to be mad at him

I'm starting to understand why h3h3 moved 2.5k miles to get away from Jon.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;51961643]Did Boogie say anything of worth besides grouping JonTron with people who [B]committed extremely minor[/B] offenses. And then try and victimize himself and everyone else with the "internet outrage machine". Lol he's even talking about "trying out new ideas". Colin made a shitty joke Pewdiepie set up a joke that he himself didn't even expect to happen and when it did he was surprised. JonTron said some fucked up shit in a somewhat serious debate on a livestream. He's trying to form similarities where there are none and all it does is water down what Jon did. And that dumb both sides are just as bad shit rears its ugly annoying head again. It's like a common phrase for people who can't properly elaborate on anything. It's the equivalent of saying that the world isn't "black and white" so you pick gray all the time. And this whole garbage about respect [B]as if everyone[/B] is somehow disrespecting JonTron solely because they're commenting on what he said. And that's not to say their aren't but it's to be expected when you say fucked up shit to people. How does he expect people to respond when you broadcast dumb shit on Youtube. How do you have a career on Youtube and expect everyone to stay civil especially in response to rather offensive opinions that were shown to large amounts of people. People don't even stay civil on Youtube comments or on 4chan.[/QUOTE] It's boogie, he's terminally nice.

Jon has said very bad things and I know you will disagree with me on this, but I think you're starting to overdoing it now. "Jon's a white nationalist, thinking other races are lesser to whites and so on." Yeah, he said things that can be alluding to that but you're overreacting now. He's not out to hurt non-white people, he's just severly misguided in his arguing. You also keep bringing up the bad quotes but never the quotes where he admitted that non-white people are fine. He's just all over the place with his bad arguing.

[QUOTE=RB33;51961654]Jon has said very bad things and I know you will disagree with me on this, but I think you're starting to overdoing it now. "Jon's a white nationalist, thinking other races are lesser to whites and so on." Yeah, he said things that can be alluding to that but you're overreacting now. He's not out to hurt non-white people, he's just severly misguided in his arguing. You also keep bringing up the bad quotes but never the quotes where he admitted that non-white people are fine. He's just all over the place with his bad arguing.[/QUOTE] You do realize just saying that you don't mind them, despite giving lengths of dialog that you have some of the people and their culture, doesn't matter right?

[QUOTE=RB33;51961654]Jon has said very bad things and I know you will disagree with me on this, but I think you're starting to overdoing it now. "Jon's a white nationalist, thinking other races are lesser to whites and so on." Yeah, he said things that can be alluding to that but you're overreacting now. He's not out to hurt non-white people, he's just severly misguided in his arguing. You also keep bringing up the bad quotes but never the quotes where he admitted that non-white people are fine. He's just all over the place with his bad arguing.[/QUOTE] "I don't have anything against non-white people" and "blacks are inherently more criminal than whites" are not actually contradictory statements it's just that saying the former doesn't make the latter any less repugnant and disgusting

[QUOTE=KillRay;51961666]You do realize just saying that you don't mind them, despite giving lengths of dialog that you have some of the people and their culture, doesn't matter right?[/QUOTE] It does show that the logic he is using to argue is contradictory, why would he even say that he's fine with it at times? He contradicting himself, so you shouldn't just assume that he's a confident white nationalist. If he can't stay the same on his beliefs, does he really believe them? Anyway, you're pushing him into a corner making him more certain of these beliefs. You're wrong in doing that, he needs to have some sense talked into him, not just getting a wave of hate.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51961548]Sargon continues to be a shithead[/QUOTE] I would say I'm pretty sure his mother must have been drinking heavily whilst pregnant with him. But that'd be offensive to the poor souls who do suffer from FAS. I do genuinely wonder how these guys have any friends sometimes.

[QUOTE=RB33;51961678]It does show that the logic he is using to argue is contradictory, why would he even say that he's fine with it at times? He contradicting himself, so you shouldn't just assume that he's a confident white nationalist. If he can't stay the same on his beliefs, does he really believe them?[/QUOTE] a LOT of white nationalists say "I have nothing against blacks, I don't want to hurt them, they just need to get out of our country and live with their own kind" like it isn't even uncommon among the spencer types

[QUOTE=RB33;51961678]It does show that the logic he is using to argue is contradictory, why would he even say that he's fine with it at times? He contradicting himself, so you shouldn't just assume that he's a confident white nationalist. If he can't stay the same on his beliefs, does he really believe them?[/QUOTE] Its called covering you own ass because you're a big youtuber, imo.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51961694]a LOT of white nationalists say "I have nothing against blacks, I don't want to hurt them, they just need to get out of our country and live with their own kind" like it isn't even uncommon among the spencer types[/QUOTE] Do you seriously believe Jon is a Spencer type or could be? He said he was fine with a 100 million non-white people coming to the US if they integrated, a true racist would still say no.

People are too eager to jump to someone's defense because "RACIST" gets bandied around a lot these days. Like, it's one thing to say "I don't think there should be 'safe spaces' where black people are allowed and white people are not", which is something that's debatable that you'll get called racist for anyway. It's another thing to be freaking out over white genocide and saying a bunch of actually racist shit. And yet, the entire Jontron thing has just been a series of [quote]Man: *says some racist shit* Other man: "That's like, fucking racist dude" Man: "WhjHAJH I GUESS I CAN'T EXPRESS MY [I]OPINIONS[/I] ANYMORE WITHOUT BEING CALLED A RACIST BY DELUSIONAL SJWS"[/quote] Yeah it's your opinion, but your opinion is pretty blatantly racist even to the average person, which makes you, believe it or not, racist as a result, that's, how it works? That's like freaking out anyone calls you an atheist when you also denounce any notion of there ever being any sort of God

[QUOTE=RB33;51961713]Do you seriously believe Jon is a Spencer type or could be? He said he was fine with a 100 million non-white people coming to the US if they integrated, a true racist would still say no.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, all I remember is when he said non whites entering the US is still a problem even if they integrate because they'll enter the gene pool. Is there something I forgot?

[QUOTE=KillRay;51961701]Its called covering you own ass because you're a big youtuber, imo.[/QUOTE] Or he's not really sure that he believes in it and has just been misled by the far-right? Which I think is far more likely. Should we assume he's a white nationalist at heart instead?