Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=New Cidem;51969366]Glutton for punishment? [sp]or perhaps the propaganda ministry pays really well[/sp][/QUOTE] I suspect he spends more of his time on some forum or community more friendly to his biases, and posts here mostly for the benefit of the few who agree with him.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51969373]I suspect he spends more of his time on some forum or community more friendly to his biases, and posts here mostly for the benefit of the few who agree with him.[/QUOTE] Seems like a waste of time, if you ask me. He must get some kind of weird satisfaction out of being a contrarian pariah

[QUOTE=archangel125;51969373]I suspect he spends more of his time on some forum or community more friendly to his biases, and posts here mostly for the benefit of the few who agree with him.[/QUOTE] I've been of the notion that he shares the thread to some of his buddies or something to that effect for entertainment purposes. It's abundantly clear at this point that tudd either has the reading comprehension of a 7 year old, as evidenced by the fact that every source he quotes directly refutes his arguments, or he's willfully misinterpreting his sources because he finds it entertaining.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;51969366]Glutton for punishment? [sp]or perhaps the propaganda ministry pays really well[/sp][/QUOTE] Come on, who here doesn't feel just when standing and speaking against people who they think are wrong? Tudd is not a troll/sadomasochist. Some people just don't mind getting hated (as much as others) on as long as they feel they are in the right. I used to build massive boxforts during sanius squad days. No amount of shit and namecalling from them would get to me.

Best part of the entire debate was the "Should we deport all whites?" and it slipped by so fast that Jon answered "Yes." And the whole chat spammed "YES" and "DEPORT ALL WHITES"

[QUOTE=conan96;51969395]Best part of the entire debate was the "Should we deport all whites?" and it slipped by so fast that Jon answered "Yes." And the whole chat spammed "YES" and "DEPORT ALL WHITES"[/QUOTE] It makes sense, whites can't be a minority if there aren't any

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51969394]Come on, who here doesn't feel just when standing and speaking against people who they think are wrong? Tudd is not a troll/sadomasochist. Some people just don't mind getting hated (as much as others) on as long as they feel they are in the right. I used to build massive boxforts during sanius squad days. No amount of shit and namecalling from them would get to me.[/QUOTE] Personally, I couldn't do that. It'd bother me too much, because I frequently try to question whether I'm getting in too deep to remain objective - a big danger sign is when I start getting militant in my views. Having people on FP call me out for calling people 'degenerate', for example, was one such wake-up call. I'm not going to stop using the word entirely, because I think it's the best possible word to describe the de-evolution of society that is happening because of backwards, completely unscientific and illogical perspectives such as white nationalism and the alt-right and, of course, the regressive left. In any case, it prompted me to take a step back and reflect on just how deep up my ass I was getting. Not that I really know Tudd, since he never seems to say all that he means, but I haven't seen the same sort of introspection from him. He's a very frustrating poster because every single thread he makes is political in nature, and almost all of them are some cherrypicked news story that appears to indicate that the left is violent, or that minorities are a threat, or something of that sort. When he gets involved in debates such as the one in this thread, the second his argument is picked apart he mysteriously disappears, to appear again whenever he feels there's a particularly stupid point he can dispute, or an argument he can win. Never makes concessions, never lets anyone see him lose his temper, never stands his ground. I can see why some people think he's deliberately trolling.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51969394]Come on, who here doesn't feel just when standing and speaking against people who they think are wrong? Tudd is not a troll/sadomasochist. Some people just don't mind getting hated (as much as others) on as long as they feel they are in the right. I used to build massive boxforts during sanius squad days. No amount of shit and namecalling from them would get to me.[/QUOTE] The difference here is that Tufts arguments are terrible and often self defeating, and that most posts against him are actual debate and not name calling.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51969394]Come on, who here doesn't feel just when standing and speaking against people who they think are wrong? Tudd is not a troll/sadomasochist. Some people just don't mind getting hated (as much as others) on as long as they feel they are in the right. I used to build massive boxforts during sanius squad days. No amount of shit and namecalling from them would get to me.[/QUOTE] Eh, I don't feel any such vindication. I'll say something if I feel it needs saying, but in the grand scheme of things being right on a forum isn't such a big deal. Purposefully spreading a clearly-not-welcome ideology in a place that doesn't want it seems like a bigger waste of time though.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51969318]Was browsing r/all when suddenly [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5zprqq/the_cuckaroos_over_at_rjontron_think_jon_commited/[/url] Now he's done for[/QUOTE] /r/jontron has been more about jon memes than jon himself for a long time now. They love this shit, it's more fodder for shitposting.

the dudes an attention whore i dont understand how you guys dont understand that just ignore him and he'll go leech attention from elswhere

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51969365]Yeah I understand these are not 100% proportionate, but arrests, charges and convictions are pretty much everything from which we can extrapolate how many crimes groups of people commit, aren't they? Of course you need to take into account all the biases that you and others have mentioned here. You can't simplify it like Jon did. I mean, it could mean what Jon wants it to mean but only in a world with no racial biases in the justice system whatsoever. Yeah I'm aware/agree with everything you said here.[/QUOTE] In absence of better data I suppose that's all we've got, but people need to acknowledge its unreliable. I'd be very wary about forming any opinions from it though - and there is a danger that people see this data as their "first impression" build an opinion on it and that opinion sticks even when/if better data comes out. And the claim "rich black peeps do more crime than poor white peeps" is inferred from poor data so certainly shouldn't be stated as fact as jontron did. We probably agree on all this anyway tho

I sent Jon's twitter a couple of tweets about how there's plenty of left leaning people who despise SJWs and that he didn't need to entirely side with the alt-right in order to be allowed to criticize SJW's antics, but I don't know if it's going to do much. He's probably avoiding Twitter, anyway.

[QUOTE=Skerion;51969504]I sent Jon's twitter a couple of tweets about how there's plenty of left leaning people who despise SJWs and that he didn't need to entirely side with the alt-right in order to be allowed to criticize SJW's antics, but I don't know if it's going to do much. He's probably avoiding Twitter, anyway.[/QUOTE] I'm on the anti-SJW train too, and I know others on it, some of them are starting to go to far (parroting the alt-right and /pol/) and I just hope thats what happen to Jon, and he will get out of this without going full /pol/

I think it's a bit late for that, sadly.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;51969599]There are probably thousands of people who dislike "SJWs" that don't go full dumbass like Jon did and for that reason I'm going to put the blame entirely on Jon. Blaming SJWs bullying Jon on twitter in the first place isn't even a good excuse. 20+ year old man was bullied so hard he started taking notes from white nationalist! Just makes Jon sound like an idiot and a manchild[/QUOTE] More like he thought SJWs are bullshit and started watching/reading/listening to the opposition and absorbed some shit ideas from them beyond the topic of SJWs.

man, imagine if jon stayed on game grumps instead of arin. jon going on a big rant about cultural marxism in the middle of wind waker and dan occasionally going "really?" "you just totally blew my mind"

[QUOTE=Primigenes;51969641]Yeah so in other words, Jon saw that almost every if not all SJWs were annoying as shit and decided to go in the complete opposite direction of them. Thus absorbing ideas and not even filtering out the bullshit in between like some kind of shit idea deposit box So yeah I'd say he's still an idiot.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying he's not an idiot. I'm actually saying SJWs are not to "blame" for his shift in political views, they didn't bully him into becoming a bigot. He's responsible for not being able to filter out all the bad ideas from people he agreed with on a certain topic. I mean one could argue that SJWs would be to blame for making him look for opposition of SJWs, but that's it.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;51969654]man, imagine if jon stayed on game grumps instead of arin. jon going on a big rant about cultural marxism in the middle of wind waker and dan occasionally going "really?" "you just totally blew my mind"[/QUOTE] Jon stops playing Sonic 06 because the ending promotes the mixing of whites and hedgehogs

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;51969670]Jon stops playing Sonic 06 because the ending promotes the mixing of whites and hedgehogs[/QUOTE] Come on guys. He's got some idiotic assumptions about races (like that black people are inherently more violent than whites [wtf]) but he said he doesn't care about races mixing. At least that's what I got from the debate. Maybe he said something else about this on twitter that I'm not aware of.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51969592]I think it's a bit late for that, sadly.[/QUOTE] This isn't full /pol/. I wish it was.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51968871]Actually I do believe what I say. Though I was going to post in reply to the study about incarceration that there are studies that do find that blacks disproportionately commit more crimes despite their population being very low. Reasons for this are already posted by other users, but to say that the study Jontron referenced has no link is probably disingenuous when these two things are probably linked. [editline]16th March 2017[/editline] Actually if you look at the chart/data, it is for all the wealthier deciles except for the highest one. The Study doesn't contradict itself, it is just that at the highest possible the pattern stops. Which is actually pretty interesting. You are not wrong, but there is still the rest of the percentiles to look at. Though personally, I don't consider $69,000 annual salary to be affluent. [/QUOTE] I'm sorry, are you stroking out here dude? Did you have some hallucination where I posted that the study contradicted itself? I'm saying the study contradicts [I]jontron.[/I] In that it finds young black people in households that make more than 69k annually are no more likely to be incarcerated than their white counterparts. I mean, I'm glad you accept that, and that by extension it's completely fucking irrelevant to this thread. Maybe next time you can actually read the article and we can skip the part where I have to explain it to you multiple times. [editline]16th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;51969680]Come on guys. He's got some idiotic assumptions about races (like that black people are inherently more violent than whites [wtf]) but he said he doesn't care about races mixing. At least that's what I got from the debate. Maybe he said something else about this on twitter that I'm not aware of.[/QUOTE] [url]https://clips.twitch.tv/IncredulousSpikyCockroachDendiFace[/url] g e n e p o o l

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51969712][URL]https://clips.twitch.tv/IncredulousSpikyCockroachDendiFace[/URL] g e n e p o o l[/QUOTE] Yes he used the word genepool. I don't know what the hell he meant by this but he didn't say it's bad or anything? And it cuts off when he started to explain himself. Also he said it would be okay if white people become the minority if non-white (or whatever the term they were using) would assimilate (though it was destiny who started using the word "assimilate").

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51969740]Yes he used the word genepool. I don't know what the hell he meant by this but he didn't say it's bad or anything? And it cuts off when he started to explain himself.[/QUOTE] I really don't understand how you could possibly interpret it any other way than he implied it was bad. Destiny essentially says "what if the demographic shift happened and the brown people assimilated into the culture" and he responded "yeah, but then they would enter the gene pool" it's really hard to come up with an explanation for bringing up genetics that isn't racist in the first place, but in that context and in that way? What could he have possibly meant other than racial purity?

[QUOTE=Primigenes;51969766]Honestly I would have believed that if PsychicPebbles didn't make some dumb gotcha questions about Ethiopia being 100 percent white and then Jon didn't come along to say "They don't have answers!". To make matters worse PsychicPebbles was talking about outbreeding, a term I don't even think they understand. They put such a weird breeding and racial aspect to this shit. Especially when you consider the initial tweet triggering was Jon responding to a guy talking about "can't rebuild a nation with someone else's babies". If you want my honest opinion which I can't even phrase right to be fair. I think Jon's just more so an idiot than a hateful racist. Meaning that first and foremost Jon just isn't that smart and for that matter neither is PsychicPebbles. This leads them to holding these stupid and racist beliefs in the first place. It's weird because usually you peg people who espouse certain views with the word that best fits the action, but I'm finding it really hard to even call Jon anything but an idiot most of the time.[/QUOTE] He's harping about some notion that white people will be called racists if they speak/act in the own interest. He thinks that there's a pressure on some countries with white-majority to push for whites becoming minority and that white people can't push back. Like that's most what he was talking about in the debate. I assume the Ethiopia thing was about the same thing. I don't know why but it seems like a leading topic for him. [editline]16th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=1STrandomman;51969827]I really don't understand how you could possibly interpret it any other way than he implied it was bad. Destiny essentially says "what if the demographic shift happened and the brown people assimilated into the culture" and he responded "yeah, but then they would enter the gene pool" it's really hard to come up with an explanation for bringing up genetics that isn't racist in the first place, but in that context and in that way? What could he have possibly meant other than racial purity?[/QUOTE] I don't know what the hell was the reason to use this word but a moment later he said that people would be free to marry between races like it's not an issue. Here's the timestamp [URL]https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM?t=3731[/URL]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51969740]Yes he used the word genepool. I don't know what the hell he meant by this but he didn't say it's bad or anything? And it cuts off when he started to explain himself.[/QUOTE] it sounded like he didn't really understand destiny's point when he asks if whites would still suffer from their minority status even if the new majority group assimilates seamlessly, dismissing it with a 'yeah that's fine but they'd still breed with whites and make them a minority group!'

Well Naked Ape posted his video on Destiny. [media]https://youtu.be/u1ihRaM1ER8[/media]

Pretty sure the original title of that video was "His destiny is austism" what a nice guy, sounds like he's totally in for a rational argument rather than lashing out on someone because he disagreed with him (totally)

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51969968]Pretty sure the original title of that video was "His destiny is austism" what a nice guy, sounds like he's totally in for a rational argument rather than lashing out on someone because he disagreed with him[/QUOTE] He seriously fucking posted that and then edited it? What a fucking little bitch :v

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51969985]He seriously fucking posted that and then edited it? What a fucking little bitch :v[/QUOTE] Actually it is a rehost from Kraut and Tea.