Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51969968]Pretty sure the original title of that video was "His destiny is austism" what a nice guy, sounds like he's totally in for a rational argument rather than lashing out on someone because he disagreed with him (totally)[/QUOTE] can't even stand by his own edgy jokes, lol edit: oh it's a reupload luckily what i said still applies. only now it's about tudd

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51969968]Pretty sure the original title of that video was "His destiny is austism" what a nice guy, sounds like he's totally in for a rational argument rather than lashing out on someone because he disagreed with him (totally)[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's a mirror by fellow racist kraut and tea. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0uv_VEfIv0[/url] original

[QUOTE=Tudd;51969914]Well Naked Ape posted his video on Destiny. [media]https://youtu.be/u1ihRaM1ER8[/media][/QUOTE] [Media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842426831198380036[/media] Seeing as ape starts lying off the bat (lying by omitting what follows that incest clip) I didn't get far.

Okay I finished the video and it's literally a 10 minute slander piece with no arguments???

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51970019]Okay I finished the video and it's literally a 10 minute slander piece with no arguments???[/QUOTE] Don't know why you're shocked

"What's the best way of convincing someone that my argument on race and immigration is correct? Make a video slandering the person I was debating with something completely unrelated to the topic of the debate."

[QUOTE=Tudd;51969999]Actually it is a rehost from Kraut and Tea.[/QUOTE] So two little bitches instead of one, gotcha

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51970025]"What's the best way of convincing someone that my argument on race and immigration is correct? Make a video slandering the person I was debating with something completely unrelated to the topic of the debate."[/QUOTE] Because the alt-right figureheads don't care about actual arguments. They just care about shitposting and showing hateful rhetoric. Also don't even reply Tudd I know what you're gonna say.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51969914]Well Naked Ape posted his video on Destiny.[/QUOTE] I don't really care anymore but I do want you to humor us on why you said Naked Ape posted THIS video when it's actually a rehost on another channel rather than the original upload which you were aware of

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51970118]I don't really care anymore but I do want you to humor us on why you said Naked Ape posted THIS video when it's actually a rehost on another channel rather than the original upload which you were aware of[/QUOTE] Because nakedape thinks destiny is going to dmca his channel so he's asking people to mirror it.

[QUOTE=patq911;51970126]Because nakedape thinks destiny is going to dmca his channel so he's asking people to mirror it.[/QUOTE] But the original was uploaded first and is still up, so that doesn't matter.

[QUOTE]Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.[/QUOTE] Tudd likes the guy who admits he can't hold a candle intellectually to someone he disagrees with and so relies on base ad hominems and slander. What a shock.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51970118]I don't really care anymore but I do want you to humor us on why you said Naked Ape posted THIS video when it's actually a rehost on another channel rather than the original upload which you were aware of[/QUOTE] Only explanation I can think of is that he expects a better reaction if the video is from someone other than Naked Ape's channel.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51970135]But the original was uploaded first and is still up, so that doesn't matter.[/QUOTE] Because nakedape believes destiny is some SJW libcuck who will silence and censor anything that makes him look bad. (hint: destiny is ok with videos if he makes commentary of some sort, just not if he uploads clips) [video=youtube;b9w39vt0FTg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9w39vt0FTg[/video]

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;51969587]I'm on the anti-SJW train too, and I know others on it, some of them are starting to go to far (parroting the alt-right and /pol/) and I just hope thats what happen to Jon, and he will get out of this without going full /pol/[/QUOTE] Honestly I feel like during the whole GamerGate thing, loads of people on the left (myself included) got dragged into the fray because of the 'Gamers are all Evil' narrative put out during the early days, this lead to many of us feeling dejected and it gave lots of opportunists a chance to form and recruit. Milo being one of these people. A significant subsection of the alt-right was born from this. Tbh, JonTron used to be a personality I greatly respected, but this whole chaos has left me really questioning the spheres of influence I visit. More often than not I see people defending stuff like what Jon said for the sole reason that he is on their side in the fight of the almighty "culture war".

[QUOTE=Tudd;51969914]Well Naked Ape posted his video on Destiny. [media]https://youtu.be/u1ihRaM1ER8[/media][/QUOTE] Naked ape seems like a terrible person, why do you follow them

I think both "SJWs" and "Alt Righters" are cases where both honey and vinegar will attract flies. Flies being both groups in how fools and assholes will be attracted to topics both sweet and volatile along with people akin to such topics. Though I think there's always a vibrant spectrum of layered individuals where human conflict occurs.

Tudd , you've been unbanned for less than a day or some shite and you're already posting fucking garbage again, defending actual racists and generally being an awful poster. How are you not permanently banned for being terrible yet. Christ.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51970203]Tudd , you've been unbanned for less than a day or some shite and you're already posting fucking garbage again, defending actual racists and generally being an awful poster. How are you not permanently banned for being terrible yet. Christ.[/QUOTE] I've seen people advocate torture and putting land mines on the Mexican border without getting banned, Tudd isn't nearly as bad

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51970209]I've seen people advocate torture and putting land mines on the Mexican border without getting banned, Tudd isn't nearly as bad[/QUOTE] maybe other people post worse shit than tudd does, but no one can match him in terms of sheer volume he's just an endless cess pit of trash

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51970209]I've seen people advocate torture and putting land mines on the Mexican border without getting banned, Tudd isn't nearly as bad[/QUOTE] Yeah those are fucking rough posts. But they're usually one offs and people end up talking about it with the psychopath in question. This is just incessant shitposting of the lowest effort "hurr hurr here's some racist 14 year olds videos wat u guys think :~~~~) not my opinion just wondering hahah".

Let's kill off the Naked Ape talk as he clearly is just some unnecessarily angry dude looking for conflict for YT views and for the hundredth time, ignore Tudd. It's a shame JonTron will forever be marked for this, even if he goes back to normal.

As I said from the beginning of this whole JonTron thing: I really think Jon hasn't spent nearly enough time thinking through his positions. It was clear during the debate that Jon didn't even understand his own arguments. He stumbled around, contradicted himself, etc. constantly. IMO, his fundamental error is connecting ideology and race. He wants to preserve traditional western ideologies that have led to the most flourishing societies in human history, but he falsely conflates that with the white history of the western world. If I were to guess, he will eventually see this glaring problem in his logic, but it will take time.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51970209]I've seen people advocate torture and putting land mines on the Mexican border without getting banned, Tudd isn't nearly as bad[/QUOTE] Makes me wonder why he gives naked ape an ounce of his time even more

[QUOTE=sgman91;51970235]As I said from the beginning of this whole JonTron thing: I really think Jon hasn't spent nearly enough time thinking through his positions. It was clear during the debate that Jon didn't even understand his own arguments. He stumbled around, contradicted himself, etc. constantly. IMO, his fundamental error is connecting ideology and race. He wants to preserve traditional western ideologies that have led to the most flourishing societies in human history, but he falsely conflates that with the white history of the western world. If I were to guess, he will eventually see this glaring problem in his logic, but it will take time.[/QUOTE] I give Jon Tron the benefit of the doubt that he isn't actually racist, but the circle he surrounded himself in gave him the answers that make it racial. Ideology wars like these are such event horizons that if you ever entrench yourself or find your self completely rejecting one side while placing labels to dehumanize opposition, you might never see the light of truth again.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51970419]I give Jon Tron the benefit of the doubt that he isn't actually racist, but the circle he surrounded himself in gave him the answers that make it racial. Ideology wars like these are such event horizons that if you ever entrench yourself or find your self completely rejecting one side while placing labels to dehumanize opposition, you might never see the light of truth again.[/QUOTE] It also isn't helping matters that people in his new circle, like Sargon, are shitting the bed in their attempts to defend him. The same people who stood against the cliquishness in the game industry have become what they hate. Sometimes you have to acknowledge when your 'side' has done bad things, otherwise you give into tribalism.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51969914]Well Naked Ape posted his video on Destiny. [media]https://youtu.be/u1ihRaM1ER8[/media][/QUOTE] Nakidape reminds me of a alt-right verson of leafy.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51970203]Tudd , you've been unbanned for less than a day or some shite and you're already posting fucking garbage again, defending actual racists and generally being an awful poster. How are you not permanently banned for being terrible yet. Christ.[/QUOTE] Didn't learn much during that week I guess. Maybe he spent it stocking up shitposts?

yeah, if you haven't clicked the naked ape video yet, go ahead and don't give it a view it's just old shit taken from destinys youtube that everyone who follows him has already seen with a leafy level kid talking over it

Is Nakikape like, really, REALLY young? Because he sounds incredibly uninformed, constructs his opinions in this weird... illogical way, and yells SHUT UP when people say things he doesn't like. He has to be like, 16 right?