Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

Ah, good old Jon Aryan '[I]Pride Worldwide[/I]' Jafari aka Jon Aryan '[I]s come to hunt jews and blacks in my safari[/I]' Jafari aka Jon Aryan '[I]Master Race[/I]' Jafari. His middle name is God's little gift to the internet. [QUOTE=Primigenes;51952857]JonTron is one of those idiots in the game community who tries to suck Japan's dick at almost every fucking step. Literally called it a model society at 24:40. I can tell from that point that he's just one of those assholes[/QUOTE] Wut? I mean racism is socially accepted and widespread in Japanese culture so it doesn't suprise me.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51953069][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2j5yl3l.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] translation for this post: "I'm absolutely desperate to post this sick zinger by Jontron against some complete nobody on the internet, but no one's explicitly mentioned muslims yet so I'll quote whatever"

[QUOTE=Darquan90;51953062]Jontron's willingness to look at facts and statistics that aren't pretty or hurt people's feelings is outright disgusting. If you're going to look at statistics you should ignore ones on genetics and focus on climate control, not the other way around alt-right. We know thanks to science for sure with no uncertainty that all races are completely equal outside of melanin content, therefor, there is no need to look at any data regarding the matter. Earlier someone asked me in a debate if all dog breeds were completely equal like Pitbulls and Border Collies, I told him that was a different issue, and he brought up some schlock about how there is a greater genetic distance between whites and blacks than dogs and wolves to my face, I shoved him then and there and I've never talked to him again. There needs to be something to blame for these discrepancies between the races. You can choose to blame white racism like a good human, or get shoved.[/QUOTE] Did you watch the video

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51953094]translation for this post: "I'm absolutely desperate to post this sick zinger by Jontron against some complete nobody on the internet, but no one's explicitly mentioned muslims yet so I'll quote whatever"[/QUOTE] ? The topic is dumb shit Jon says and I posted a shitpost he made on his twitter. Way to go buddy.

I've had this on in the background for 50 minutes and I have yet to hear a cohesive argument from Jon - does it get any better?

LMAO Jon says the reason the Irish were discriminated against was because they had bad traits and were dicks.

[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51953139]I've had this on in the background for 50 minutes and I have yet to hear a cohesive argument from Jon - does it get any better?[/QUOTE] i've been waiting for a cohesive argument from jontron for months

[QUOTE=Snake7;51953152]LMAO Jon says the reason the Irish were discriminated against was because they had bad traits and were dicks.[/QUOTE] "What bad traits?" "Like being an Irish and a dick."

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51953114]? The topic is dumb shit Jon says and I posted a shitpost he made on his twitter. Way to go buddy.[/QUOTE] Sorry, it's hard to decipher your posts' intentions. Might be the mysterious looking avatar. Might be the occasional shilling for far right elements. Probably the avatar.

Wow just wow. I was with Jon through the whole "retarded" thing and with the Sargon of Akkad thing but this just crosses the line. He genuinely comes across as a bigot here. This is a firm case on why youtubers like him should keep their political opinions to themselves. At least until they do the proper research and know how to debate properly.

Yall be talking about his millions of this and millions of that follower count like ever single one of them cares. I think about 5% of them care. Jontron is not a big voice in media.

[QUOTE=Lazore;51953223]Yall be talking about his millions of this and millions of that follower count like ever single one of them cares. I think about 5% of them care. Jontron is not a big voice in media.[/QUOTE] That's still 150.000 people. Whatever the number is, people should react to this.

[QUOTE=Lazore;51953223]Yall be talking about his millions of this and millions of that follower count like ever single one of them cares. I think about 5% of them care. Jontron is not a big voice in media.[/QUOTE] Jon felt the need to have a debate on Twitch and let his opinions be heard, so I don't see an issue with people critiquing Jon's views. Most of the people here don't seem to be concerned with Jon's followers becoming stormfront shitposters, it's more the fact that Jon himself believes in all that garbage.

Fucking hell, of course he brings up Sweden. I was trying [I]very [/I]hard to retain some sort of respect for Jon in this but then he drops a ball like that and my national pride kicks in. Can people stop talking shit about a country they don't know? "Riots in the streets of Stockholm and Malmö" my fucking ass. Two suburban neighborhoods of ~500 hectares in size does not represent my entire goddamn country.

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;51953163]"What bad traits?" "Like being an Irish and a dick."[/QUOTE] What did the Irish ever do to Jon Tron. This went from me laughing at JonTron being an idiot to personal. This lad needs a slap.

Funny watching you all turn into a buncha rabid dogs when someone says something bordering on what you disagree with. Half his shit comes off as jokes, and some other stuff just comes off as he either doesn't really care or has a half hearted opinion on and just throws something out there to talk about. Listening to destiny guy for a few minutes and his arguments are just as bad in their own way. And from what I can tell jontron is arguing against the rabid hatred that people get, like how anarchists and antifa tried to shut down milo's talks, people will actually attack you for having an opinion that doesn't agree with them. Also you guys didnt look too hard [url]https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/wealth-doesn%E2%80%99t-protect-us-blacks-greater-chance-incarceration-prof-william-darity-jr[/url]

[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;51953298]Funny watching you all turn into a buncha rabid dogs when someone says something bordering on what you disagree with. Half his shit comes off as jokes, and some other stuff just comes off as he either doesn't really care or has a half hearted opinion on and just throws something out there to talk about. Listening to destiny guy for a few minutes and his arguments are just as bad in their own way. And from what I can tell jontron is arguing against the rabid hatred that people get, like how anarchists and antifa tried to shut down milo's talks, people will actually attack you for having an opinion that doesn't agree with them. Also you guys didnt look too hard [url]https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/wealth-doesn%E2%80%99t-protect-us-blacks-greater-chance-incarceration-prof-william-darity-jr[/url][/QUOTE] if you go on a fucking debate about a huge volatile serious issue in the world at the moment maybe you shouldn't just throw random shit out and say "haha its a joke! :)"

[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;51953298]Funny watching you all turn into a buncha rabid dogs when someone says something bordering on what you disagree with. Half his shit comes off as jokes, and some other stuff just comes off as he either doesn't really care or has a half hearted opinion on and just throws something out there to talk about. Listening to destiny guy for a few minutes and his arguments are just as bad in their own way. And from what I can tell jontron is arguing against the rabid hatred that people get, like how anarchists and antifa tried to shut down milo's talks, people will actually attack you for having an opinion that doesn't agree with them. Also you guys didnt look too hard [url]https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/wealth-doesn%E2%80%99t-protect-us-blacks-greater-chance-incarceration-prof-william-darity-jr[/url][/QUOTE] come on dude, he says shit that's factually incorrect throughout the whole call, you can't just write that off as "oh he wasn't being serious he doesn't care"

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;51953276]im not sure what his post had to do with "bringing up muslims" though? should he just not be able to talk in this subject if you dislike something mentioned in a tweet he posted?[/QUOTE] What? Talk about whatever you want. Don't be surprised if you come off as out-of-touch if the topic you choose doesn't sound relevant Like I said, I might've misrepresented his intentions. But it sounded like a 'gotcha' showing what he thought was a good tweet [QUOTE=Jake Nukem;51953298]Also you guys didnt look too hard [url]https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/wealth-doesn%E2%80%99t-protect-us-blacks-greater-chance-incarceration-prof-william-darity-jr[/url][/QUOTE] The actual study is behind a paywall, so I don't know what it says, but the page you linked only mentions race still affects incarceration rates. Not even close to "wealthy blacks commit more crimes than poor whites"

[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;51953298] Also you guys didnt look too hard [url]https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/wealth-doesn%E2%80%99t-protect-us-blacks-greater-chance-incarceration-prof-william-darity-jr[/url][/QUOTE] Another thing, Jontron disagreed that with the fact that youth are more likely to be incarcerated if they're black compared to other races, he says it's just virtue signalling and there's no proof There's many studies on that fact, and the study you linked shows that the number are unusual and there's no conclusions as to why considering it says that wealthier Hispanic people are less likely than even whites to be arrested and that black women follow the same pattern as white men, in fact the study itself says the most likely reason [i]is[/i] racial profiling

[QUOTE=Lazore;51953223]Yall be talking about his millions of this and millions of that follower count like ever single one of them cares. I think about 5% of them care. Jontron is not a big voice in media.[/QUOTE] If you don't care about what someone says, then don't care. Don't ask everyone else not to care about toxic ideals and misinformation just because you don't want to hear about it.

[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;51953298]Funny watching you all turn into a buncha rabid dogs when someone says something bordering on what you disagree with. Half his shit comes off as jokes, and some other stuff just comes off as he either doesn't really care or has a half hearted opinion on and just throws something out there to talk about. Listening to destiny guy for a few minutes and his arguments are just as bad in their own way. And from what I can tell jontron is arguing against the rabid hatred that people get, like how anarchists and antifa tried to shut down milo's talks, people will actually attack you for having an opinion that doesn't agree with them. Also you guys didnt look too hard [url]https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/wealth-doesn%E2%80%99t-protect-us-blacks-greater-chance-incarceration-prof-william-darity-jr[/url][/QUOTE] So as long as I don't really care, I should be able to spout whatever shit I want without getting criticized? And why he would go on a one hour Twitch stream as a joke? Also, Jon Tron goes well beyond "bordering on disagreement". You're being completely disingenuous.

It'd be wonderful if the people I look up to could quit turning out to be shitty people.

Maybe instead of reacting with hate, we could try to show Jon how he's wrong. Hatred will only cause him to be more entrenched in his beliefs

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;51953383]Maybe instead of reacting with hate, we could try to show Jon how he's wrong. Hatred will only cause him to be more entrenched in his beliefs[/QUOTE] Don't think the few, reasonable voices will get through once the gears of the internet hate machine have started turning.

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;51953383]Maybe instead of reacting with hate, we could try to show Jon how he's wrong. Hatred will only cause him to be more entrenched in his beliefs[/QUOTE] As much as I agree that's the right thing to do, I sorely doubt Jon would be the type to listen.

[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;51953298]Funny watching you all turn into a buncha rabid dogs when someone says something bordering on what you disagree with. Half his shit comes off as jokes, and some other stuff just comes off as he either doesn't really care or has a half hearted opinion on and just throws something out there to talk about. Listening to destiny guy for a few minutes and his arguments are just as bad in their own way. And from what I can tell jontron is arguing against the rabid hatred that people get, like how anarchists and antifa tried to shut down milo's talks, people will actually attack you for having an opinion that doesn't agree with them. Also you guys didnt look too hard [url]https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/wealth-doesn%E2%80%99t-protect-us-blacks-greater-chance-incarceration-prof-william-darity-jr[/url][/QUOTE] Am i supposed to laugh

[QUOTE=Sonador;51953395]As much as I agree that's the right thing to do, I sorely doubt Jon would be the type to listen.[/QUOTE] In fact, his refusal to apologize or listen is what led to his descent. He uses the r-word so much more than he used to and I am pretty sure it's because people told him that they found it offensive. He's actually a lot like Trump in that he never gives an inch, anything you critique him on, he will do more.

[QUOTE=Sweater;51953400]Am i supposed to laugh[/QUOTE] Man it's like if his political awfulness is supposed to be funny and sarcastic he's A) miserably failing at it and B) totally and completely unaware of his audience [editline]13th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=person11;51953406]In fact, his refusal to apologize or listen is what led to his descent. He uses the r-word so much more than he used to and I am pretty sure it's because people told him that they found it offensive. He's actually a lot like Trump in that he never gives an inch, anything you critique him on, he will do more.[/QUOTE] I actually like people that are belligerent, vitriolic, and condescending when they're, you know, sticking up for actually good and progressive things. Nothing makes me smile like malicious people getting shat on and butthurt about it, but he's totally off the mark recently

[QUOTE=paul simon;51952366]Because it's completely pointless. All he does at this point is harm his own image. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion, but in some cases you won't get anything out of it. Jon joins these debates but isn't really prepared for them. He's making an ass of himself, and for no reward.[/QUOTE] "Any publicity is good publicity"