Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Tudd;51975099]Naked apes humor is intentional and he is self aware about it. Destiny is an actual manchild who reacts badly to adversity and doesn't even realize it. I mean I can say Naked Apes humor (and his voice) is not for everyone. He also isn't my grand example of what I follow, but I do enjoy his content.[/QUOTE] Naked Ape doesn't do humor. He lies, a lot, and knows that his audience is either too stupid or simply not willing to do research into the claims he makes.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51975099]Naked apes humor is intentional and he is self aware about it. Destiny is an actual manchild who reacts badly to adversity and doesn't even realize it. I mean I can say Naked Apes humor (and his voice) is not for everyone. He also isn't my grand example of what I follow, but I do enjoy his content.[/QUOTE] No, I don't think Ape's videos are funny (and I don't know why you do either, unless you find Leafy style "funny mascot flies around the screen while I call someone a retard" funny) but that has almost nothing to do with my criticism. His videos could be the funniest things I've seen all year, that wouldn't make things better. Not sure why you even brought up humor tbh.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tGQeXSZ.png[/IMG] What a fucking idiot

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51975201][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tGQeXSZ.png[/IMG] What a fucking idiot[/QUOTE] Is it possible for one second for this guy to not be a prick?

it's incredible to watch a guy rise and fall in this short a timespan

We shit all over Jon for being misinformed and poorly articulated while Destiny is such an asshole and yet somehow it's ok because he's liberal and more "intelligent"?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51975227]We shit all over Jon for being misinformed and poorly articulated while Destiny is such an asshole and yet somehow it's ok because he's liberal and more "intelligent"?[/QUOTE] No one in this topic is saying what Destiny is doing is OK at this point.

[QUOTE=rilez;51975181]No, I don't think Ape's videos are funny (and I don't know why you do either, unless you find Leafy style "funny mascot flies around the screen while I call someone a retard" funny) but that has almost nothing to do with my criticism. His videos could be the funniest things I've seen all year, that wouldn't make things better. Not sure why you even brought up humor tbh.[/QUOTE] Well I bring up the humor cause it is pretty obvious that him using 4chan-esque humor is immediately going to impact people's reactions on here. Regardless of his actual points. Though if he lies I would be curious to see specific examples. I think his video on Bernie, and especially the rebuttal to amazing atheist, were quite on point. But hey, Sargon is leagues better than Naked Ape on arguing and presentation of character, so don't think I am scaling him incorrectly. Just that Destiny actually legit stopped the conversation with Naked Ape and is having these little twitter bouts that actually make him look like a manchild. Naked Ape is more of a intentional troll if anything, but he still brings up points and arguements worth listening to.

And he just attempted to use Gamergate to deflect his own fuckups on his stream. Alright dude.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;51975224]it's incredible to watch a guy rise and fall in this short a timespan[/QUOTE] Seeing how people were railing on PsychicPebbles earlier for a brief discussion with Destiny, and they're now doing the exact same thing but the other way around, I think this has less to do with either of these people and more to do with people on this thread wanting to antagonize [I]someone[/I] at any given time, no matter who that is. Like yeah Destiny fucked up but god damn this thread has one hell of a blind hate boner going on, the target just changes every dozen page or so.

so im late and uninformed but it looks like this boring dude has been viraling his ass off trying to pull views to the rest of his channel by SOMEHOW being able to arrange political interviews with other youtube personalities who are magnitudes more popular. is this right? its like one of those political debate starter kits, but the only item he bothered to get was "i watched three louis ck specials"

i mean i like destiny and think hes a good dude but i cant defend this fight with animators right now lol i really dont get what hes doing

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51975082][media]https://twitter.com/CharityCr1TiKaL/status/842833862522822656[/media] Cinnamon Roll Charlie thinks you're a dick, thats how you know you've fucked up.[/QUOTE] To be honest I could tell destiny was a cunt the minute he started coming out with libertarian tier shit on his stream.

[QUOTE=Axisofldiocy;51975282]so im late and uninformed but it looks like this boring dude has been viraling his ass off trying to pull views to the rest of his channel by SOMEHOW being able to arrange political interviews with other youtube personalities who are magnitudes more popular. is this right? its like one of those political debate starter kits, but the only item he bothered to get was "i watched three louis ck specials"[/QUOTE] no hes a game streamer who engages with people who want to debate him lol

Destiny is right about a lot of things but most of the time he's just an angry dude.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51975271]And he just attempted to use Gamergate to deflect his own fuckups on his stream. Alright dude.[/QUOTE] And mentioned how everyone calling him out on his fuckup is "jontron's friend" or a "jontron supporter" and how they're coming in drones. What an asshole.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51975276]Seeing how people were railing on PsychicPebbles earlier for a brief discussion with Destiny, and they're now doing the exact same thing but the other way around, I think this has less to do with either of these people and more to do with people on this thread wanting to antagonize [I]someone[/I] at any given time, no matter who that is. Like yeah Destiny fucked up but god damn this thread has one hell of a blind hate boner going on, the target just changes every dozen page or so.[/QUOTE] it's almost like you can have agreeable political views and an abhorrent personality or vice versa

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[QUOTE=Tudd;51975099]Naked apes humor is intentional and he is self aware about it. Destiny is an actual manchild who reacts badly to adversity and doesn't even realize it. I mean I can say Naked Apes humor (and his voice) is not for everyone. He also isn't my grand example of what I follow, but I do enjoy his content.[/QUOTE] [quote]Naked apes humor is intentional and he is self aware about it[/quote] You keep using these words I don't think they mean what you think they mean

[QUOTE=KillRay;51975291]no hes a game streamer who engages with people who want to debate him lol[/QUOTE] wait so jontron came knocking on destiny's door for a debate?

Oh wow, I cant believe Crapt said this. His carrer is in shambles.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51975227]We shit all over Jon for being misinformed and poorly articulated while Destiny is such an asshole and yet somehow it's ok because he's liberal and more "intelligent"?[/QUOTE] Who the fuck is saying it's ok Because you're not reading the same thread I'm reading if what you're seeing here is people being fine with Destiny's shit. But right on, gotta feed that persecution complex

[QUOTE=Axisofldiocy;51975310]wait so jontron came knocking on destiny's door for a debate?[/QUOTE] he usually engages on twitter first and it leads to a voice debate yes thats also how it happened with lauren southern and others

I come back to this thread after a few days, and people have gone from constantly praising Destiny almost every time his debate with Jon comes up, to now saying he's an idiot dickhead. This has been quite the roller coaster ride. While I still don't agree with what Jon has said, at this point, it seems like Jon only has to do less and less to justify himself because of Destiny seemingly imploding on himself right now. That being said, I at least wish Jon would just own up to his words and apologize. Staying silent and hoping it all glosses over (which is what I'm assuming he's doing now) never really works, though I guess it's better than just doing what we all assumed he would do, and double down on said words. As for Destiny, after watching more of his debate videos, it's hard to take his debates seriously when he throws around words like "autism" "nigger" and "faggot" as often as your usual 4chan anon. I get he's just some Twitch streamer, but if you're really wanting to do some debates, maybe be a bit more professional.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51975236]Well I bring up the humor cause it is pretty obvious that him using 4chan-esque humor is immediately going to impact people's reactions on here. Regardless of his actual points. Though if he lies I would be curious to see specific examples. I think his video on Bernie, and especially the rebuttal to amazing atheist, were quite on point. But hey, Sargon is leagues better than Naked Ape on arguing and presentation of character, so don't think I am scaling him incorrectly. Just that Destiny actually legit stopped the conversation with Naked Ape and is having these little twitter bouts that actually make him look like a manchild. Naked Ape is more of a intentional troll if anything, but he still brings up points and arguements worth listening to.[/QUOTE] What makes them childish: Destiny offering financial "advice" to animators, Ape calling people retards showing images of people with down syndrome, etc. What makes them wrong: Destiny misrepresenting animators and their incomes, Ape misrepresenting Destiny and others by showing clips out of context to construct a narrative (AKA what Leafy does) They both do the same shit, you're just quick to call one a manchild and find excuses for the other. I don't get it. Sargon is just as guilty of shitposting as the rest of them.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51975236]Well I bring up the humor cause it is pretty obvious that him using 4chan-esque humor is immediately going to impact people's reactions on here. Regardless of his actual points. Though if he lies I would be curious to see specific examples. I think his video on Bernie, and especially the rebuttal to amazing atheist, were quite on point. But hey, Sargon is leagues better than Naked Ape on arguing and presentation of character, so don't think I am scaling him incorrectly. Just that Destiny actually legit stopped the conversation with Naked Ape and is having these little twitter bouts that actually make him look like a manchild. Naked Ape is more of a intentional troll if anything, but he still brings up points and arguements worth listening to.[/QUOTE] That's not 4chan humor, it's teenage mockery. Not a single bit of it is funny.

[QUOTE=rilez;51975343]What makes them childish: Destiny offering financial "advice" to animators, Ape calling people retards showing images of people with down syndrome, etc. What makes them wrong: Destiny misrepresenting animators and their incomes, Ape misrepresenting Destiny and others by showing clips out of context to construct a narrative (AKA what Leafy does) They both do the same shit, you're just quick to call one a manchild and find excuses for the other. I don't get it. Sargon is just as guilty of shitposting as the rest of them.[/QUOTE] I think it's because he shares NakedApe's opinions. Either that or he's just looking to rile everyone up, which is why I refuse to engage with him any-more and why people should stop trying to debate with him: he doesn't care what you have to say, he just wants attention.

[QUOTE=Rahu X;51975336]I come back to this thread after a few days, and people have gone from constantly praising Destiny almost every time his debate with Jon comes up, to now saying he's an idiot dickhead.[/QUOTE] Read thread. [QUOTE=Tudd;51975236] Though if he lies I would be curious to see specific examples. I think his video on Bernie, and especially the rebuttal to amazing atheist, were quite on point. [/QUOTE] Already have. Check Skanics thread.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51975276]Seeing how people were railing on PsychicPebbles earlier for a brief discussion with Destiny, and they're now doing the exact same thing but the other way around, I think this has less to do with either of these people and more to do with people on this thread wanting to antagonize [I]someone[/I] at any given time, no matter who that is. Like yeah Destiny fucked up but god damn this thread has one hell of a blind hate boner going on, the target just changes every dozen page or so.[/QUOTE] Given enough time, maybe even people on here will start supporting Sargon. :v:

youd think as someone with a music degree destiny would be more respectful to artists of any kind. idk dude