Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically

[Curls]

What if this is actually a blizzerd situation and he said "Kill yourself" but actually meant "I kindly disagree"\

idk I think you guys are really reading into it too hard! :unimpressed:

[ROFLBURGER]

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51975924][MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL2yUonqz5s[/MEDIA]

:thinking:[/QUOTE]

This isn't an argument. Just because one other person does it, doesn't mean it's okay.

Unless of course Aaron is fine with iDubbz saying it, then that would be an argument against Aaron's character.

[.Ducky]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51975933]This isn't an argument. Just because one other person does it, doesn't mean it's okay.[/QUOTE]

I understand, my point was pointing out the hypocrisy in Aaron's post considering how eager he was to talk about iDubbbz and call for a content cop on Destiny earlier in the thread. I didn't just pick him out of nowhere.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51975933]This isn't an argument. Just because one other person does it, doesn't mean it's okay.

Unless of course Aaron is fine with iDubbz saying it, then that would be an argument against Aaron's character.[/QUOTE]

I'm ok with someone doing it if its

1. Within the right context, like arguing against someone who themselves do it actively

2. Their argument is based in reality, unlike Destiny's

[ROFLBURGER]

[QUOTE=Xubs;51975936]people in this very thread who right now on this very page are throwing a shitfit about destiny have very literally said within the past few pages that idubbbz needs to act as some sort of epic lel zinger guy and pull some shit on destiny as if idubbbz is a better person, or some shit.

yes, its relevant.[/QUOTE]

Oh, my bad. I didn't see that. But did Aaron actually say or imply that?

[rufia]

This trainwreck turned into a head on collision.

[Hollywood SN]

:snip:

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Asaratha;51975951]"as long as i agree with their argument, they can tell people to kill themselves"

huh?[/QUOTE]

You can disagree with someone and still respect the argument you know. I disagree with having all laws based on state but I still understand that that's an argument based on actual things that are arguable. I also disagree with harsh immigration laws but I understand that people believe in those for a good reason.

destiny's argument is assuming that animators are in it for the money alone, which is 100% wrong in every way. I know for a fact that Zach is absolutely not in it for the money, same with everyone else in his circle.

Like he's being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, and on top of that telling people to kill themselves because his argument has no actual foothold.

[.Ducky]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51975943]Oh, my bad. I didn't see that. But did Aaron actually say or imply that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51975005]Content Cop when.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51975027]As much as I would love for a video like that, I don't feel like idubbbz would care much about this, it's a shame because destiny is definitely someone who should be exposed[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51975053]To be fair, PsychicPebbles is part of that circle that iDubbbz is in and Ian follows him on twitter, im sure he's going to be made aware.[/QUOTE]

Aaron said he was just being facetious and "didnt really care if he made a content cop or not" but as far as I've noticed he's at least a fan.

[Hollywood SN]

:snip:

[Mr. Scorpio]

[QUOTE=J!NX;51975940]I'm ok with someone doing it if its

1. Within the right context, like arguing against someone who themselves do it actively

2. Their argument is based in reality, unlike Destiny's[/QUOTE]

you know what's funny is that I agree with almost everything destiny has said and I still think he's a cunt who should shut his fucking mouth and think before he speaks

shitting all over random people because they said something that maybe could be interpreted as contradicting your opinion is retarded

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51975964]Aaron said he was just being facetious and "didnt really care if he made a content cop or not" but as far as I've noticed he's at least a fan.[/QUOTE]

And if i am?

What if i also told you i didnt particularly like when he said that above video quote?

The fuck is this.

[ROFLBURGER]

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51975964]Aaron said he was just being facetious and "didnt really care if he made a content cop or not" but as far as I've noticed he's at least a fan.[/QUOTE]

Still, I'm a little skeptical, but him snipping all his posts snarkily asking what it has to do with anything is pretty damning :v:

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51975979]Still, I'm a little skeptical, but him snipping all his posts snarkily asking what it has to do with anything is pretty damning :v:[/QUOTE]

Dude what the fuck.

Okay so i made a post asking what it had to do with anything before reading his explanation. After reading it, i snipped it because i knew what he was going for.

[Sonador]

[QUOTE=Xubs;51975982]i mean if your gonna chastise a youtuber for saying "kill yourself" you're looking at chastizing a majority of the drama youtubers out there. idubbbz says it all the time, h3h3 i know has said it many times before. not justifying destiny but really this is the lowest hanging fruit. i hate drama youtubers for saying shit like that but ya'll seem to love em so idk why destiny saying it is that big of a deal.[/QUOTE]

I hate drama youtubers in general and will happily condemn anyone who advocates suicide because someone disagrees with them tbh

[Mud]

i hate people who tell others to kill themselves unless its people who agree with me or people i like

[.Ducky]

[QUOTE=Xubs;51975982]i mean if your gonna chastise a youtuber for saying "kill yourself" you're looking at chastizing a majority of the drama youtubers out there. idubbbz says it all the time, h3h3 i know has said it many times before. not justifying destiny but really this is the lowest hanging fruit. i hate drama youtubers for saying shit like that but ya'll seem to love em so idk why destiny saying it is that big of a deal.[/QUOTE]

This puts my argument into pretty good words, I think. I've never heard people condemn these people for saying kys because they find it just and funny, it seems a bit odd that it would be a big talking point against Destiny.

[ROFLBURGER]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51975983]Dude what the fuck.

Okay so i made a post asking what it had to do with anything before reading his explanation. After reading it, i snipped it because i knew what he was going for.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, it was a bad joke.

[carcarcargo]

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;51975912]I take more issue with Destiny telling kids to kill themselves than I do with him talking shit about animators.[/QUOTE]

I take issue with both tbh

[Arc Nova]

[QUOTE=Xubs;51975982]i mean if your gonna chastise a youtuber for saying "kill yourself" you're looking at chastizing a majority of the drama youtubers out there. idubbbz says it all the time, h3h3 i know has said it many times before. not justifying destiny but really this is the lowest hanging fruit. i hate drama youtubers for saying shit like that over everything but ya'll seem to love em so idk why destiny saying it is that big of a deal.[/QUOTE]

"kill yourself"

vs

"What the fuck is wrong with you dude? Seriously fucking cut your fucking throat and throw your body out a fucking window so that on the off chance somebody finds you bleeding out and drowning in your own blood they can call an ambulance to save you in time"

I've never heard h3h3 tell a 16 year old to kill himself but alright

also this
[QUOTE=Sonador;51975988]I hate drama youtubers in general and will happily condemn anyone who advocates suicide because someone disagrees with them tbh[/QUOTE]

[.Ducky]

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;51976027]"kill yourself"

vs

"What the fuck is wrong with you dude? Seriously fucking cut your fucking throat and throw your body out a fucking window so that on the off chance somebody finds you bleeding out and drowning in your own blood they can call an ambulance to save you in time" [/QUOTE]

neither of these is ok

[Blazedol]

[QUOTE=Xubs;51975982]i mean if your gonna chastise a youtuber for saying "kill yourself" you're looking at chastizing a majority of the drama youtubers out there. idubbbz says it all the time, h3h3 i know has said it many times before. not justifying destiny but really this is the lowest hanging fruit. i hate drama youtubers for saying shit like that but ya'll seem to love em so idk why destiny saying it is that big of a deal.[/QUOTE]

while at the end of the day it's still a pretty shitty thing to say, destiny seems to throw it around any time he has a fit and tells it to people who just disagree with him, and seems pretty serious about it, too, but he might just be joking if the words of some people are to go by.
but the only time (that i can think of) where idubbbz said it and meant it was with keemstar, who's done a lot more than be disagreeable. whether or not that justifies what he says would probably vary from person to person, but i don't think it's fair to say they're the same thing. for the record, i don't think it was cool when idubbbz said it either.

[carcarcargo]

h3h3 says it tongue in cheek, Destiny is just being a man babby

[Curls]

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;51976025]i mean hes said time and time again that he takes paying jobs over youtube shit because youtube just doesnt pay at all

thats literally being in it for the money, its just not a bad thing which you are implying it to be[/QUOTE]

They'd all prefer to live off of it but I mean who wouldn't want to live off their animations. Everyone would prefer to live off a skill they love and that's great, everyone deserves to.

its just that originally, they got into it thinking they'd never get payment in the first place. Then youtube gave huge pay out, then youtube changed and animators were pretty fucked.

[Rockeiro]

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51975997]This puts my argument into pretty good words, I think. I've never heard people condemn these people for saying kys because they find it just and funny, it seems a bit odd that it would be a big talking point against Destiny.[/QUOTE]

You're comparing people who do thought out scripted content, to people whose personality is the content.
idubbbz or h3h3 can decide to use Kill yourself as a means of complementing a joke or getting a point across in a way that suits a joke or the the video, Destiny just says it because it's what he thought he should've said at the time.
As much as it's easy to just clump them all up as "internet people saying things", it's important to understand that not all content is made the same.

[Hollywood SN]

[media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842888256731586562[/media]

:thinking:

[.Ducky]

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;51976057]You're comparing people who do thought out scripted content, to people whose personality is the content.
idubbbz or h3h3 can decide to use Kill yourself as a means of complementing a joke or getting a point across in a way that suits a joke or the the video, Destiny just says it because it's what he thought it was what he should've said at the time.
As much as it's easy to just clump them all up as "internet people saying things", it's important to understand that not all content is made the same.[/QUOTE]

Quite frankly i think its worse to script "kill yourself" than to say it off the top of your head. And again, I'd rather nobody say it in any sort of context other than something like "saying kill yourself isnt ok"

[Hollywood SN]

Destiny is practically self destructing on his twitter right now.

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;51976077]man i really havent paid any attention to this thread because i thought it was people just shitposting each other with a vague "its not shitposting its political discourse"

i knew jon had some dumb arguments but why is destiny using pretty much the exact same line of logic of "hey guys trust me i know what im talking about lol, look it up" level of shit[/QUOTE]

Very little self awareness i guess.

[carcarcargo]

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;51976077]man i really havent paid any attention to this thread because i thought it was people just shitposting each other with a vague "its not shitposting its political discourse"

i knew jon had some dumb arguments but why is destiny using pretty much the exact same line of logic of "hey guys trust me i know what im talking about lol, look it up" level of shit[/QUOTE]

Because he built up a messiah complex from the last few days and is now quickly revealing that he's actually a bit of a stuck up prick.