Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Xubs;51976058]the severity of one is completely uncalled for over the other but at the end of the day "kill yourself" is still "kill yourself" no matter how much worse you make it. its not suddenly ok and just kinda cheeky just because it has much less harsh words -- the latter is worse than the former but that doesn't invalidate or make anyone who uses the former a better person.[/QUOTE] I never said it makes it okay??? I'm just pointing out how hot headed and immature Destiny is.

[media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842889605586280448[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842889791515508736[/media] Really activating my fuckin' almonds.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;51976061]no most of them specifically stayed off youtube because they were getting paid (fuckall) on newgrounds, when youtube hit it off they started to move to YT i get you are trying to sound reasonable here but you legitimately have a pretty large misunderstanding of the history behind these people[/QUOTE] ya gotta eat somehow dawg. but i don't think animators are the greedy assholes destiny make them out to be. if they [I]just[/I] wanted money, they'd get another job like a janitor or some shit.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51976064][media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842888256731586562[/media] :thinking:[/QUOTE] I think these 2 tweets capture what's wrong with animation on youtube [media]https://twitter.com/LyleMcDouchebag/status/835712078241419265[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/LyleMcDouchebag/status/835713615600627712[/media] [QUOTE=Duck M.;51976068]Quite frankly i think its worse to script "kill yourself" than to say it off the top of your head. And again, I'd rather nobody say it in any sort of context other than something like "saying kill yourself isnt ok"[/QUOTE] That's your choice and those are your feelings , if a comedian thinks "kill yourself" is the best way to punctuate a joke then he should be free to do so.

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;51976112]That's your choice and those are your feelings , if a comedian thinks "kill yourself" is the best way to punctuate a joke then he should be free to do so.[/QUOTE] Hate speech is not free speech. If someone can walk onstage and say kill yourself, they should be able to walk on stage and say "gas the kikes, race war now." Find something else to say other than advocating killing people or shut the fuck up tbh. There's literally a million other edgy things to say that aren't likely to make an emotionally unstable person actually kill themselves or kill someone else.

I see people were complaining about that Idubbbz video because he told someone to "kill himself". Let me show you the context of said person he told to kill himself (Which is Keemstar). [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7ttaU6QSY[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvdBBwvZen0[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwfLHlGpzCw[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDo4Ubl6IsI[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q0DpaHGM2Y[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5OvaV1Xn2s[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKTJb2KtDH4[/url] Yeah, what a victim, definitely those harsh words spoken by idubbbbz must have affected him equally as it affected the random 16 year old kid from Romania.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51976092][media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842889791515508736[/media][/QUOTE] What a dumbshit

[media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842891411947245568[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842891864781021184[/media] I swear to god i heard Destiny talk about how he refers to professional studies and experts in the field and how his guests usually come in acting like they're the experts but they dont actually know anything.

I think Destiny has a point but it would really benefit him if he would cool off with the condescension and take the conversation somewhere other than twitter where you cant really have rational discourse.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51976134]What a dumbshit[/QUOTE] Completely lost control lmfao This is really the only way to tell if you've as close as anyone can to "winning" an internet argument. When they descend into incoherent vitriol and memery without actually saying anything, they've run out of any ability to defend an argument

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51976142]I think Destiny has a point but it would really benefit him if he would cool off with the condescension and take the conversation somewhere other than twitter where you cant really have rational discourse.[/QUOTE] he's already shifted into full meltdown he's incapable of backing down at this point, this can only get worse

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;51976115]im not saying they are doing anything bad, their job is animation and they generally do contract work outside youtube youtube pays less so they work on it less, youtubes algorithm then advertises and pays them less which feeds the cycle[/QUOTE] that's true, but if i remember correctly zach (and probably others) legally can't release the shit he wants to (namely hellbenders) cuz he under contract, or something like that. and then there's other cases like the guy who makes a fox in space, who works a ton but still takes a long time since that's just how animation works.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;51975978]Lol at people like me. So assuming that I'm commenting on a trend I've observed that causes people to steer clear of low wage jobs means that it's my fault that people don't take them? Because I addressed an observed trend? Am I supposed to stay quiet or something. In fact what the fuck is this defeatist statement. OK you're admitting that people don't want to take these jobs for that exact reason. And? Should I care that it's because of "people like me". OK, thanks for proving me right. I couldn't care less about the shitty ad hominen esque attack that just supports what I said. So yeah you're right. Next time try using ad hominen on someone who cares[/QUOTE] "nobody wants to be a fucking construction worker" doesn't sound like you're commenting on the trend, that is real, that people are less likely to go into the trades than try for a more professional career. it sounds like an expression of disdain for the job, like vocational jobs are, as i said, shameful. perhaps you weren't intending it but it looks a lot to me support of the idea that vocational jobs are lowly rather than a statement on a trend [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] if someone said "nobody wants to be a fucking english major", would you agree that that carries an air of superiority, like being an english major is dumb and not worthy of respect?

[QUOTE=Asaratha;51976127]"it is okay to tell him to kill himself because he tells other people to kill themselves :)" idubbbz himself said it best, either all of its okay or none of its okay.[/QUOTE] Because Keemstar is an adult, he used to do griefing videos before and all around has been an asshole forever, he knows what he's dealing with and what he's been doing for decades and he doesn't mind, I don't see the reason to judge idubbbz too, Destiny telling a random 16 year old to kill himself is far worse than Idubbbz telling a grown man to kill himself, something he already heard a thousand times ever since he did griefing videos. See the difference between a random 16 year old and a loser who expects "kill yourself" as a form of profit?

being shitty to other shitty people makes my actions not terrible right

[QUOTE=Asaratha;51976174]so because he's an asshole, it's okay to tell him to take his own life? if you want to remain consistent there, it shouldn't matter who you tell it to, telling people to kill themselves isn't ever a good thing.[/QUOTE] He wasn't saying it with genuine anger, he was just taking the piss. The context and tone matter.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51976149]he's already shifted into full meltdown he's incapable of backing down at this point, this can only get worse[/QUOTE] He can and should try to diffuse the situation. Admit that he knows less about the subject than he let on, offer to discuss later with a fresh mindset and on stream, and stop being so inflammatory. For someone that champions being able to manage his brand so well you'd think he'd see where enough is enough and that he's only hurting himself.

[QUOTE=Asaratha;51976186][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL2yUonqz5s[/media] taking the piss[/QUOTE] Yes he clearly is

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51976181]He wasn't saying it with genuine anger, he was just taking the piss. The context and tone matter.[/QUOTE] "I say this uniroically and mean it" "hes just taking the piss" :thinking:

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51975824]"Its not about how hard the job is, its about being thankful you can work on a computer all day." Oh my god.[/QUOTE] I think he meant that more as in like, working from [i]your[/i] computer. Like in your home, in your own time, without a boss looking over your shoulder, at your own leisure doing the kind of work you want to when you want to do it.

Destiny just went nuclear on twitter. What is he even DOING.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51976139][media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842891411947245568[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842891864781021184[/media] I swear to god i heard Destiny talk about how he refers to professional studies and experts in the field and how his guests usually come in acting like they're the experts but they dont actually know anything.[/QUOTE] When you have to resort to arguing like this you really don't have an argument at all, regardless of how right or wrong you are I agree'd with some of his posts he made but the fact is, he has no argument and he's acting like a child

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51976191]"I say this uniroically and mean it" "hes just taking the piss" :thinking:[/QUOTE] His entire personality revolves around being like that, he's always saying dodgy shit.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51976198]When you have to resort to arguing like this you really don't have an argument at all, regardless of how right or wrong you are I agree'd with some of his posts he made but the fact is, he has no argument and he's acting like a child[/QUOTE] just because he's articulating it poorly doesnt mean he doesnt have an argument, that makes no sense.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;51976061]no most of them specifically stayed off youtube because they were getting paid (fuckall) on newgrounds, when youtube hit it off they started to move to YT i get you are trying to sound reasonable here but you legitimately have a pretty large misunderstanding of the history behind these people[/QUOTE] tbh its been so long since I've watched Sleepcab so I've probably remembered everything wrong

[QUOTE=Asaratha;51976174]so because he's an asshole, it's okay to tell him to take his own life? if you want to remain consistent there, it shouldn't matter who you tell it to, telling people to kill themselves isn't ever a good thing.[/QUOTE] It doesn't make it okay but Destiny telling some Romanian teenager to slit his own throat and drown in his own blood is far worse

[QUOTE=Asaratha;51976174]so because he's an asshole, it's okay to tell him to take his own life? if you want to remain consistent there, it shouldn't matter who you tell it to, telling people to kill themselves isn't ever a good thing.[/QUOTE] But the fucking context matters, Idubbbz absolutely had a reason to say that and he couldn't care more because it's very crystal clear that "kill yourself" doesn't affect Keemstar in any way. Idubbbz doesn't do this expecting his actions to be out of good will, no one tells other to kill themselves out of good will, context matters and Idubbbz just doesn't care about telling how much of an asshole an asshole can be.

Oh my god it's like everyone involved in this is basically going insane.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51976201]just because he's articulating it poorly doesnt mean he doesnt have an argument, that makes no sense.[/QUOTE] My point is that if you can't think of a point to add into your argument and are just spouting dumb memeshit, you aren't really arguing anything. You're just circling a point you made until its completely useless to even argue it any more. If he had an argument he wouldn't be shit-posting like that. I'd say the same if he was advocating gay rights (for example) by just insulting anyone that disagrees with him.

[QUOTE=Asaratha;51976174]so because he's an asshole, it's okay to tell him to take his own life? if you want to remain consistent there, it shouldn't matter who you tell it to, telling people to kill themselves isn't ever a good thing.[/QUOTE] i really don't think the 2 instances are very comparable, destiny does it a lot of times and it's always stupid small shit, Ian only did it once and keem has almost ruined people's lives before. i don't think it's right but i also don't think it's that hard to understand why some people think it is.