Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Blazedol;51976660]mick has said he's talked to jon about all this though, just not in public because i guess he felt it was personal or something.[/QUOTE] That's fair enough, probably better to have private convos anyways.

[media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842918003658383360[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842918058398236673[/media] One last godwin before he finally stops for now. God damn, this guy seemed cool at first but he's managed to bury himself deeper than anyone else thus far. (Naked Ape doesn't count, he was already at rock bottom)

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51976651][media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842909993028505600[/media] The fuck is he getting this "integrity" part from ? It's not as if youtube entertainment creators had some kind of obligation to ostracize each other because of opinions.[/QUOTE] Now he's trying to use Jontron as an excuse, even though no fucking animator mentioned about Jontron. god what a manchild. [media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842917313464668160[/media] He was doing the same thing on his stream though, he mentioned all of the animators and their "cuck lines" and how they're attacking him in groups because they're all Jontron's friends. This man is a massive moron.

[QUOTE=Hidole555;51976607]Looking at [URL="https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticReliableSamosaKappaRoss"]the clip[/URL] that started this latest shitstorm, I feel if Destiny wasn't profusely vomiting spaghetti this could have lead to a debate on the status of the working class in current American society, based on psychicpebbles' comments that he initially took issue with. Like if people fling shit at each other, that's fine. I can ignore that. People get mad at each other and do terrible shit all the time. But it's when I feel like that if temper's didn't flare that a reasoned and engaging debate could have happened that is when it gets me down. Even if you think the person you're talking to is completely wrong, we, the audience, are thinking individuals capable of making our own judgements based on what gets presented. [B]It'd be like if I was reading Plato and halfway through Socrates abandons the Socratic method, takes a shit on the table, and walks out the room, and then the rest of the story becomes just a bunch of name calling and dank memes. Potential turned into petty waste.[/B][/QUOTE] That's essentially Diogenes.

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51976658]ok so i only read the first few pages where it was people shitting on jon for being a fucking idiot wtf did destiny do now? i read the last 3 pages and im still unsure. how are shadman and psychicpeblles in on this? wtf can we have a timeline for #jongate or something[/QUOTE] psychicpebbles got in the argument and that lead to destiny making fun of him as an animator, then other animators and artists got in on this to defend zach and, more specifically, his job, which lead to destiny making fun of animators and artists in general and now it's a [I]real[/I] shitshow that's the super abridged version but you get the idea

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51976651][media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842909993028505600[/media] The fuck is he getting this "integrity" part from ? It's not as if youtube entertainment creators had some kind of obligation to ostracize each other because of opinions.[/QUOTE] I mean you have to admit that it is kinda funny that implying that animators don't work hard pisses off everyone on the internet almost immediately with every animator and youtube personality on the planet jumping in to exclaim their outrage while saying that america is a white nation that needs to preserve its white racial majority gets at best mild concern from a couple people

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51975983]Dude what the fuck.[/QUOTE] you start your posts like this [b]alot[/b] stop being melodramatic to garner sympathy defend yourself with your points

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51976651][media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842909993028505600[/media] The fuck is he getting this "integrity" part from ? It's not as if youtube entertainment creators had an obligation to ostracize each other because of opinions, these two things don't even collide normally unless you force them to.[/QUOTE] But he's talking about other people in Jon's friend/creative circle messaging him on twitter to defend Jontron, not about them not ostracizing Jontron, no?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51976681]I mean you have to admit that it is kinda funny that implying that animators don't work hard pisses off everyone on the internet almost immediately with every animator and youtube personality on the planet jumping in to exclaim their outrage while saying that america is a white nation that needs to preserve its white racial majority gets at best mild concern from a couple people[/QUOTE] One is an argument that really isn't a shitshow. the other is. Which one would you choose to comment on? [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] just this thread for example has been a complete shitshow, and you're surprised people aren't eager to jump up publicly and get involved in it?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51976681]I mean you have to admit that it is kinda funny that implying that animators don't work hard pisses off everyone on the internet almost immediately with every animator and youtube personality on the planet jumping in to exclaim their outrage while saying that america is a white nation that needs to preserve its white racial majority gets at best mild concern from a couple people[/QUOTE] To be fair, Jontron wasn't posting constant epic zingers to keep pissing off the crowd that might see issue with it. In the debate he was a bit strong headed, but other than that he stopped digging more-a-less after the stream.

[QUOTE=bdd458;51976685]One is an argument that really isn't a shitshow. the other is. Which one would you choose to comment on?[/QUOTE] if I had to choose I would probably comment on the race thing over the mean guy on twitter thing

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51976681]I mean you have to admit that it is kinda funny that implying that animators don't work hard pisses off everyone on the internet almost immediately with every animator and youtube personality on the planet jumping in to exclaim their outrage while saying that america is a white nation that needs to preserve its white racial majority gets at best mild concern from a couple people[/QUOTE] As people pointed out, Jon was probably talked to by his friends and coworkers [I]in private[/I], because publicizing the whole affair is what caused it to be such a shitshow in the first place. Not to mention the magnitude of Jon's fuckup is nowhere near the one of Destiny basically burying himself over a misconception he could have easily backed out of right away. Destiny so far has made a point to keep any and all conversations he has public and accessible to all, so of course it'll be more visible. He's written an open letter inviting everyone to pick a (honestly pretty fucking one-sided) fight with him on social media and on his own stream.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51976619]Nothing really, he easily won that debate. Could have been better counter arguments, but Sargon was in the right on pretty much everything and consistent. Destiny was almost shouting during alot of parts.[/QUOTE] Again, let's stop treating these as win-lose battles and more like discussions that both sides can get something out of. And I still agree with Destiny on his points in that discussion. To say that "Sargon was right on pretty much everything" shows a complete disregard for nuance and shows that you have no interest in actually listening to the oppositions points.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51976681]I mean you have to admit that it is kinda funny that implying that animators don't work hard pisses off everyone on the internet almost immediately with every animator and youtube personality on the planet jumping in to exclaim their outrage while saying that america is a white nation that needs to preserve its white racial majority gets at best mild concern from a couple people[/QUOTE] "Best mild concern". Even though we've had 2 popular threads in here about it, the hashtag #jontron trending and everyone and their mothers talking about it along with a few journalists putting articles about it. Like no shit, if you're going to dig yourself into a very deep hole and keep doing so the rushing tsunami that is the angry people you've pissed off is going to drown you. Also word spreads out quickly, psychicpebbles has been tweeting about the jontron situation before, he's known in the animation community.

[QUOTE=bdd458;51976685] just this thread for example has been a complete shitshow, and you're surprised people aren't eager to jump up publicly and get involved in it?[/QUOTE] I'm not surprised at all, it's entirely to be expected. It's still funny though.

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51976683] [QUOTE=AaronM202;51975983]Dude what the fuck. [/QUOTE]you start your posts like this [b]alot[/b] stop being melodramatic to garner sympathy defend yourself with your points[/QUOTE] Man i was trying hard to cut you some slack but this is the third time in this thread you've been shit talking in my direction (your first one being without a source for your accusation). Whats your deal, friend? Oh also, by the way, thanks for deleting half of my post to try and zing me. [QUOTE=AaronM202;51975983]Dude what the fuck. [b]Okay so i made a post asking what it had to do with anything before reading his explanation. After reading it, i snipped it because i knew what he was going for.[/b][/QUOTE] That was my point that you implied didnt exist.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51976690]To be fair, Jontron wasn't posting constant epic zingers to keep pissing off the crowd that might see issue with it. In the debate he was a bit strong headed, but other than that he stopped digging more-a-less after the stream.[/QUOTE] I mean, Jon went on to support a Republican espousing white nationalism after the debate. Even other Republicans spoke up against that. I guess that falls under "more-or-less" though.

[QUOTE=bdd458;51976685]One is an argument that really isn't a shitshow. the other is. Which one would you choose to comment on? [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] just this thread for example has been a complete shitshow, and you're surprised people aren't eager to jump up publicly and get involved in it?[/QUOTE] I think he's more commenting on the fact that a huge chunk of people were so willing to create ways in which to justify to themselves what Jon was saying and it's quite ridiculous that these animator comments seem to be taking the brunt of the outrage. Destiny saying this shit has only emboldened these people and instead of focusing on the cold hard points brought up in the debates, it's all been thrown because 'aha! Destiny was a dick all along!'. That's not how it works. If you gave the benefit to Jon spewing his literal racist shit you give benefit to the other sides uninformed, emotional shlock too.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51976669] [media]https://twitter.com/OmniDestiny/status/842918058398236673[/media][/QUOTE] *insults everyone that disagrees with him* haha no hard feelings though :heart:

[QUOTE=Crumpet;51976710]I think he's more commenting on the fact that a huge chunk of people were so willing to create ways in which to justify to themselves what Jon was saying and it's quite ridiculous that these animator comments seem to be taking the brunt of the outrage. Destiny saying this shit has only emboldened these people and their defenders and instead of focusing on the cold hard points brought up in the debates, it's all been thrown because 'aha! Destiny was a dick all along!'. That's not how it works. If you gave the benefit to Jon spewing his literal racist shit you give benefit to the other sides uninformed, emotional shlock too.[/QUOTE] Destiny had his points and all but it's hard to take his image of a somewhat serious if passionate streamer who wants to create a forum of discussion on his own platform when he loses his shit this hard at such a puny, minuscule thing. It doesn't make his points objectively wrong but it makes him retroactively lose a lot of credibility when Jontron, the guy he outed in his stream, ended up acting more mature than he did.

Even Bro Team is taking the piss lmao [media]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/842923008188669952[/media]

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51976738]Even Bro Team is taking the piss lmao [media]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/842923008188669952[/media][/QUOTE] Sean is a beautiful creature.

This entire situation is a dumpster fire holy shit I miss when I could just watch content creators without them getting into fucked up politics and calling each other out in twitter Looks like I'll have to stick with smaller youtubers if I wanna avoid drama.

[thumb]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7KgGbNX0AANIzj.jpg:large[/thumb] all of these drawings are great :v

[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;51976748]This entire situation is a dumpster fire holy shit I miss when I could just watch content creators without them getting into fucked up politics and calling each other out in twitter Looks like I'll have to stick with smaller youtubers if I wanna avoid drama.[/QUOTE] Nothing stops you from just not caring about the entire social media part and just stick to your youtube subscription box.

[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;51976748]This entire situation is a dumpster fire holy shit I miss when I could just watch content creators without them getting into fucked up politics and calling each other out in twitter Looks like I'll have to stick with smaller youtubers if I wanna avoid drama.[/QUOTE] There is a case where 2017 suffer on a larger scale, but there was definitely TONS of drama back in the golden days for animators. Everyone just forgot about it, like how drama is.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51976738]Even Bro Team is taking the piss lmao [media]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/842923008188669952[/media][/QUOTE] Who?

[QUOTE=KillRay;51976757]Who?[/QUOTE] He's an elegant creature. More seriously, plays video games and streams, he's known for having a bizarre [del]personality[/del], [del]in-jokes[/del], [del]vocabulary[/del] everything. Also Sec Chan.

[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;51976748]This entire situation is a dumpster fire holy shit I miss when I could just watch content creators without them getting into fucked up politics and calling each other out in twitter Looks like I'll have to stick with smaller youtubers if I wanna avoid drama.[/QUOTE] Technically, you can. What I'm doing is just fully avoiding this bonfire. If someone makes a funny video, I'll click on it. If someone makes a politics video, I won't. [B]Mission fucking accomplished.[/B] I don't care even if Jon Jafari was a [I]real, honest to god[/I] Illinois Nazi. If his comedy is funny, it's funny. Likewise, I don't care if Destiny tells ten-thousand people to kill themselves, and that Mike "Don't Pursue Your Passions" Rowe is his spiritual liege. If he puts out something worth watching, I'll watch it. The only way to free creators from the senseless cycle of Morality Plays is to remember what they are. Creators. [B]Not politicians, not educated experts, not role models.[/B] JonTron isn't Voltaire. Destiny isn't the source for all the high-brow statistics he cites. Shadman, well, you know why you shouldn't listen to him. So keep them in their place. Don't play the game. If they want to, "go legit" and fight for their cause, let them do that on their own time and otherwise, tell the Youtube minstrels, "play on."

[QUOTE=KillRay;51976757]Who?[/QUOTE] Let me jog your memory if you don't remember much [video=youtube;l6t9g5p094g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6t9g5p094g[/video] Anyway let's not derail the thread with broteam vids lol