Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51977633]Sargon, Armored Skeptic, and Shoe-on-Head identify as 'skeptics' for what it's worth. It seems they have denounced the alt-right insofar as it now is understood to be directly linked to racist views. They do not identify as it themselves, but that, I suppose, doesn't mean much. All I can say is that all the people you lumped in together do not really belong in a category together other than, perhaps as you mentioned, one which is meant to indicate a position that is right but not similar to the republicans. The term alt-right isn't really taken in that bare-bones clinical way though. Even then, Sargon is more liberal than right. He seems to mostly champion internal consistency, slowing down moral busy bodies, and opposing what he sees as a movement against freedom of speech which he sees as having many parallels to cultic or religious-right behaviour.[/QUOTE] So they claim. They might make some half-assed denunciations of the alt-right, but they are very clearly in bed with them. They say, "Oh don't worry, I'm liberal- honest. By the way, don't you just fucking hate liberals, and have you met all my right-wing friends?"

[QUOTE=WhyNott;51977709]Are we all gonna ignore the fact that craptasket is a white supremancist now going by the thread title[/QUOTE] there's a reason why i tagged him as the one man klan on steam [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8qXZA7u.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=WhyNott;51977709]Are we all gonna ignore the fact that I am a white supremancist now going by the thread title[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/8JRpVU5.png[/t] smh I can't believe you are a white suprem... a white sumpemaaaa... a white suprema[del]n[/del]cist

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51977703]I don't exactly recall where Social Justice Warrior was coined, but I've certainly seen people trying to reclaim it as a positive term in the past. I do know that it's been repeatedly claimed that Alt-Right was coined by a [I]neo-nazi,[/I] however. Richard Spencer, the one that guy decked.[/QUOTE] I believe SJW was originally used as a sort of lolcow subcategory on sites that are into that sort of thing before it started seeing more widespread use several years later. Ever since then there has always been some people trying to "own" the term for one reason or another, although I don't know of any organized efforts to do such a thing.

woah, I feel like my existance was finally appreciated Thanks thread title fairy

So, i'm a bit late to this whole destiny spewing shit and blowing up at artists, specific pebbles, but isn't it a bit telling that pebbles and co dug so hard to find anything they could about destiny when a lot of those same people have been vehemently sucking jon's dick on twitter when he would post really shitty political stuff? i mean, i kind of feel like this is pebbles taking the jon thing personally and trying to bait destiny, and destiny handling it in the worst way possible. [editline]18th March 2017[/editline] also it's kind of hard for me to feel bad for pebbles when he's dangling "HEY LOOK AT THIS SHITTY THING YOU DID THAT YOU REGRET AND HATE YOURSELF FOR!" infront of him? like there's no "bigger person" in this situation, they're both just being shitty children at each other.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;51977709]Are we all gonna ignore the fact that craptasket is a white supremancist now going by the thread title[/QUOTE] overheard him saying jontron did nothing jonwrong

[QUOTE=Destroyox;51977662]Calling out Destiny for being a dickhead is fine, but digging up shit like how he let his friend die or his parenting skills? That's pretty fucked up. [editline]18th March 2017[/editline] Also why did shoeonhead (or is it just Shoe? June?) delete her tweets? [B]Did she gain self-awareness?[/B][/QUOTE] now that would be a real miracle tbh

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51977592]Yeah, Jontron has a lot of friends in the industry and, big surprise, friends will not throw each other under the bus for bad words and ever so brief twitter drama. I think it's ultimately more fucked up that people are actually saying that everyone who knows Jontron should throw him under the bus over some stupid shit he said. I also think it's idiotic to expect these people to have these discussions [I]publicly[/I]. If they have to speak to Jontron over his opinions, and I'm sure at least some of them have, they'll do so [I]in private[/I], where a serious discussion will not turn into drama with random shitwits like Naked Ape getting involved and throwing oil on the fire. No part of professional integrity compels you to shit on people you know, people you [I]work with[/I] on a regular basis, because of their opinions. If anything, a strong sense of professionalism compels you to not let that shit get in the way. It's why groups like DYKG have stated clearly that they do not and will not take a stance on the matter because it is not their business. Their profession, as is the profession of many other youtube channels, are not related to politics at all, and they're not designed to be beacons of ideals of any sort. They exist for entertainment, and entertainment they provide. Destiny's situation is different. He's not getting called out for having bad opinions or anything of the sort, he's being called out for kicking a hornet's nest, said nest being a fairly tightly knit group of people who know each other, have worked with each other, and have a fairly human tendency of not enjoying it when some random streamer decides to call them privileged and needy, and tells them to go kill themselves before melting down on twitter. He started by making this public, insisted on keeping it public with his asinine memes, and got exactly what anyone should expect to get by pulling this sort of retarded shit.[/QUOTE] Throw Jon under the bus? How, by confronting what he said? I'm not asking for Jon's friends to effective immediately disown him (I'm not sure anybody is), but it would be nice if major Youtubers were a little bit more inclined to say "no, this is wrong and this is why", rather than pussyfoot around saying "well I don't agree with Jontron, but I'm not gonna tell you why and hey people shouldn't be so quick to criticise him." Jon spread misinformation publicly therefore such misinformation should be discredited publicly, but no lets all sit down and have a discussion about the 'internet hate machine'. Because clearly the only reason why Jon might be getting flak for saying shit like 'rich black people commit more crime than poor white people' is because people are going out of their way to be offended. Destiny is different because he's not an established part of the clique and attacked people who have an audience rather than a faceless group of minorities. Youtubers come out in droves to defend other Youtubers against some asinine bullshit coming from someone most people hadn't heard of before this whole debacle but are for some reason less inclined to defend minorities against misinformation spread by someone with more than 60 times the subscribers.

i think people just want to give jon all the benefit of the doubt that they can because they don't really want to accept that the guy they liked all this time is unironically preaching white nationalist views meanwhile destiny is just some random guy that none of these people interact with who started being very aggressive and lashing out towards random people while bashing on their careers for no reason. of course they're gonna shit on him [editline]18th March 2017[/editline] also stop framing this as if jon's bullshit went unaddressed and destiny being an asshole is the story everyone's focusing on; jontron was trending on twitter due to all the people calling him out. this is way smaller in scale

[QUOTE=TheHydra;51977887]also stop framing this as if jon's bullshit went unaddressed and destiny being an asshole is the story everyone's focusing on; jontron was trending on twitter due to all the people calling him out. this is way smaller in scale[/QUOTE] I think what we're mainly talking about here is big youtubers who people listen to on a daily basis remaining fairly silent on the matter with Jon while blowing up here as opposed to general public opinion- and considering what thread we're in and how most people weren't even familiar with Destiny before the Jontron debate, I'm willing to say that this "new" argument could be considered more than relevant to the original discussion.

i feel like destiny being a retard is going to overshadow the awful shit jontron said and thats not okay

The thing with Destiny will probably die down cause the guys always kind of stuck himself in drama and his base is not that far reaching. It definitely feels like Destiny being an idiot has given a great excuse for people to be distracted while Jon stays low though. The thing with Jon will likely follow him and his career unless he does some type of public apology and explanation that moderates his ideology imo. Not sure if it'll happen when he seems so confident and unashamed enough to share his views live and on Twitter. You guys think there's any deep discussions being had with sponsors, colleagues, friends, etc? I'm really curious to see if they'll just pretend it never happened seeing as his Youtube only lost about 10k subs, but this could be a problem in the future.

[QUOTE=Camdude90;51977265]damn this thread went around quick he's super fucking wrong and dumb on this animator shit but you guys sure went from loving him to decrying him as an insufferable manchild and it's barely the end of the week[/QUOTE] Its an overreaction from both here and the animator community, and I think people who supported Jon in what happened are kicking it up more to try and discredit destinys entire video/side in his talk with Jon I'm pretty sure it's all cause people don't actually listen to the clips/videos and just take what people said about them as immediate fact [editline]18th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=shadow_oap;51977991] You guys think there's any deep discussions being had with sponsors, colleagues, friends, etc? I'm really curious to see if they'll just pretend it never happened seeing as his Youtube only lost about 10k subs, but this could be a problem in the future.[/QUOTE] Sky is a good friend (in his terms) who's still waiting for him to talk to him about it, so I have to assume he's gone 100% underground

So what I'm gathering from 54 pages of this thread is "Everyone involved are a bunch of fucking morons, just in different ways"?

Updated video to reflect Destiny's current situation: [video=youtube;whHySLubuP4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whHySLubuP4[/video]

[QUOTE=ThatSprite;51978201]So what I'm gathering from 54 pages of this thread is "Everyone involved are a bunch of fucking morons, just in different ways"?[/QUOTE] Yes.

im done with politics on the internet if people are really are harping on destiny because of his friend offing himself and shitposting people who are defending jontron simply because he's jontron; not looking at the white nationalist rhetoric he was speaking, then i'm just done. people like sargon and their following have built up too much of a mental barricade to even attempt to get through to. there is a serious lapse of logic. everything is about the specific words you use and getting triggered off of those words. it's incredibly ironic because that's what they were blasting the left for just a few years ago advocating for a white majority system just 'because'... noone bats an eye. insult cartoon creator... "Dude what the fuck" TIME TO TEAR SHIT DOWN i just can't watch it anymore...

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51978434]im done with politics on the internet if people are really are harping on destiny because of his friend offing himself and shitposting people who are defending jontron simply because he's jontron; not looking at the white nationalist rhetoric he was speaking, then i'm just done. people like sargon and their following have built up too much of a mental barricade to even attempt to get through to. there is a serious lapse of logic. everything is about the specific words you use and getting triggered off of those words. it's incredibly ironic because that's what they were blasting the left for just a few years ago advocating for a white majority system just 'because'... noone bats an eye. insult cartoon creator... "Dude what the fuck" TIME TO TEAR SHIT DOWN i just can't watch it anymore...[/QUOTE] Sargon called Jon an idiot in regards to his "genepool" shit on the sargon/destiny debate though.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51978450]Just call a spade a spade and stop bothering yourself with stupid people. The only politics that matters is the one that exists in real life. Twitch streamers, (most) youtube commentators, Alt-right and their straw-boogeyman SJWs arent worth your time. Or any of us' time.[/QUOTE] Youtube personality politics is more just fun to follow in the same way those home videos shows of people crashing their bike into a garden wall and being catapulted into a bush are fun to watch. Loads of people hurting themselves by doing stupid things.

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51977437][t]http://i.imgur.com/aEq1DAP.jpg[/t] 1000 hours in photoshop just for you. feel like it's relevant in this current discourse anyways.[/QUOTE] Thanks bae

[media]https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/843003827259432961[/media] It seems Boogie has talked with Jon in private about this whole debacle. This leads me to believe that Jon's friends are talking with him in private about the whole thing. Hopefully something good will come out of it. Though even if Jon apologizes for what he said (and agrees to keep political stuff private) this whole situation has left a permanent scar on his career.

[QUOTE=zizzleplix;51978817][media]https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/843003827259432961[/media] It seems Boogie has talked with Jon in private about this whole debacle. This leads me to believe that Jon's friends are talking with him in private about the whole thing. Hopefully something good will come out of it. Though even if Jon apologizes for what he said (and agrees to keep political stuff private) this whole situation has left a permanent scar on his career.[/QUOTE] If he plays it right it will be no more than a meme in the future

[QUOTE=zizzleplix;51978817][media]https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/843003827259432961[/media] It seems Boogie has talked with Jon in private about this whole debacle. This leads me to believe that Jon's friends are talking with him in private about the whole thing. Hopefully something good will come out of it. Though even if Jon apologizes for what he said (and agrees to keep political stuff private) this whole situation has left a permanent scar on his career.[/QUOTE] Can you define "permanent scar on his career"? On 13th and 14th he has lost the amount of subscribers that he normally gains in two weeks at most and later on 16th and 17th he actually gained subscribers. At a slower rate, sure, but the fire seems to be already slowing down. Yeah people will remember he said stupid shit. However his "youtube career" haven't been demolished or taken back few years or something, it was at the very most a month and that's being generous. You're making it look like the entire world is watching and shunning him. Like it's a catastrophe for his career. It's not. Stop kidding yourself.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51978857]You're making it look like the entire world is watching and shunning him. Like it's a catastrophe for his career. It's not. Stop kidding yourself.[/QUOTE] Multiple media outlets and blogs painted him and his antics as purely alt-right. I don't think he's going to fully recover from this for who knows how long.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51978857]Can you define "permanent scar on his career"? On 13th and 14th he has lost the amount of subscribers that he normally gains in two weeks at most and later on 16th and 17th he actually gained subscribers. At a slower rate, sure, but the fire seems to be already slowing down. Yeah people will remember he said stupid shit. However his "youtube career" haven't been demolished or taken back few years or something, it was at the very most a month and that's being generous. You're making it look like the entire world is watching and shunning him. Like it's a catastrophe for his career. It's not. Stop kidding yourself.[/QUOTE] Okay perhaps "permanent scar" was a bit exaggerated but it definitely will have a lasting effect on how he's looked at by a good chunk of people (including media outlets and sponsors). Also no need to get so pissy about it, you're making my words to be much more malevolent and melodramatic then they actually are.

[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;51978884]Multiple media outlets and blogs painted him and his antics as purely alt-right. I don't think he's going to fully recover from this for who knows how long.[/QUOTE] Like what? I've seen no coverage in relevant media outlets. If his career will suffer, it's not because of some blogs and irrelevant media outlets painting him as having bad political stance.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51978892]Like what? I've seen no coverage in relevant media outlets[/QUOTE] like time.com

I legitimately can't handle that there are people genuinely defending what Jon said in that debate. Is this how far we've fucking fallen in a few short years?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51978892]Like what? I've seen no coverage in relevant media outlets.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://mic.com/articles/171309/jon-tron-s-racist-tweets-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-you-tube-gaming-scandal#.kMsBciSoX"]really[/URL] [QUOTE][B]Many of these YouTubers' fanbases — and in the case of JonTron, the YouTuber himself — have ties to the online spaces and ideologies of the alt-right movement, a loosely connected group of trolls and white nationalists.[/B][/QUOTE]