Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

Yeah I dunno he sounds pretty racist to me. Even if he isn't, he's still saying some pretty racist shit so I mean it's not really excusable either way.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51953649]He's parroting a ton of actual, documented racist rhetoric though Like, this is way past 'doesn't think about it' and well into 'actually thinks about it too much' territory[/QUOTE] You can tell none of this is opinions he's come to on his own because it all just sounds like brietbart crap When I first heard his antisjw stuff I never thought he'd go full race realist

[QUOTE=bdd458;51953449]do you have any actual evidence to back this up or is it just pure conjecture. For kicks I just scrolled back to October of last year on his Twitter, CTRL+F'd for "Retarded" and want to know how many instances there are? 0. So IDK man feels like conjecture on your part to me.[/QUOTE] In recordings of him talking about politics, not his twitter.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51953655]Yeah I dunno he sounds pretty racist to me. Even if he isn't, he's still saying some pretty racist shit so I mean it's not really excusable either way.[/QUOTE] He's most likely a closet racist

[QUOTE=Keychain;51953644]I honestly think this is a case of an ignorant person involving themselves into something they have no business being apart of and now the pressure is causing them to say literally everything wrong. I don't think Jon is racist, but he's not making things look good for himself.[/QUOTE] Even if that was the case, and I think we're well past that point now, that would still mean he was making bold claims based upon basically nothing but his own uninformed gut feeling. That in and of itself is harmful. You can't just cry ignorance when you're spreading this kind of shit. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't pretend otherwise.

[QUOTE=Rummy.SM;51953439]Didn't Jon tron consider himself a "Humanitarian" at one point? Whatever happened to that? Is anyone gonna answer if i'm just being stupid or did he say that.[/QUOTE] Jon has consistently radicalized as with the rest of the alt-right. When they splintered off from the Gamergate movement the whole thing started from being anti-SJW/anti-PC, to being anti-feminist, to being actually right wing/libertarian, to being actually race-realist.

i think xenophobe is a more accurate word for him than racist, since he seems to have problems with all foreigners and them immigrating to america, and not just ones of a different race

[QUOTE=Blazedol;51953707]i think xenophobe is a more accurate word for him than racist, since he seems to have problems with all foreigners and them immigrating to america, and not just ones of a different race[/QUOTE] No he is racist considering the stuff he said about black people and what he said about Irish people too.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;51953707]i think xenophobe is a more accurate word for him than racist, since he seems to have problems with all foreigners and them immigrating to america, and not just ones of a different race[/QUOTE] I dunno, the whole 'But the gene pools!' is basically nothing but race. Given everything else he has said, I can't really put it off as just a mistake or a slip of the tongue.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;51952802]PBG was right all along.[/QUOTE] What did PBG say?

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;51953383]Maybe instead of reacting with hate, we could try to show Jon how he's wrong. Hatred will only cause him to be more entrenched in his beliefs[/QUOTE] I agree but its difficult when every fact presented his default argument is "I've not heard of that" or "I don't subscribe to that" I wouldn't be surprised if I was to hear "alt-facts" at somepoint

Maybe he's at odds with Maker Studios like cr1tikal was and this is his only out from the contract? :v:

Aren't Irish people just white?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51953732]Aren't Irish people just white?[/QUOTE] Visually, I guess. Ethnically, no.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51953470][media]https://www.twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841117434509688832[/media] Geez Jon could you articulate yourself worse[/QUOTE] He's right. It was part of his argument, that non-white countries doesn't want to have immigration. They don't want to become minorites in their own countries (even if that is highly unlikely). At least that's how I understood that comment.

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;51953721]What did PBG say?[/QUOTE] You can [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=51738898#post51738898]read about it here[/url].

[QUOTE=Pascall;51953738]Visually, I guess. Ethnically, no.[/QUOTE] What are they then? What does it even mean to be ethnically white?

also someone tweet this at JT [video=youtube;NK0Y9j_CGgM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM[/video]

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51953767]What are they then? What does it even mean to be ethnically white?[/QUOTE] Well a lot of white supremacist groups consider them not white, but in reality they're about as white as you can get.

[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;51953716]I dunno, the whole 'But the gene pools!' is basically nothing but race. Given everything else he has said, I can't really put it off as just a mistake or a slip of the tongue.[/QUOTE] i think that specific comment was just a bad joke, especially considering it was about the irish. i might have missed something but a lot his prejudice seemed to be based on culture rather than genetics, and he was more against other nationalities immigrating to america rather than other races in general. which is still fucked up but y'know.

Jon reminds me of my brother in the fact that both of them get their facts from only biased sources and don't seem to consider that maybe the info is wrong. I don't think Jon is a racist, but I do think the dude seriously needs to actually think before he talks and should actually inform himself before getting into a debate. Especially when a debate is over something extremely controversial.

Never really watched this guy's stuff, but even from the outside, its surreal seeing a big internet name shit his pants like this.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;51953731]Maybe he's at odds with Maker Studios like cr1tikal was and this is his only out from the contract? :v:[/QUOTE] I'd love for this to be true, but man that's just optimistic.

There were times where he said he had no problems with immigrants if they integrated and agreed that American regardless of race are equal. But at the same time, he keeps arguing about preserving the white majority, which doesn't go well together. There are large gaps in his reasoning. If he talked about cultural issues instead of making it sound like a racial thing, it would have sounded much better. But as everyone have said he's a terrible debater. He uses white supremacist rhetoric while not fully believing it and that's the problem.

[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;51953561]tbh there is less fans supporting his actions than I thought there would be, check out the jontron reddit, I was pretty surprised how many were against it[/QUOTE] holy shit this reddit is fantastic, the burns won't stop [img]http://i.imgur.com/LC5j7nj.png[/img] [t]http://i.imgur.com/OE0UM42.png[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/VhyNgcj.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Pascall;51953738]Visually, I guess. Ethnically, no.[/QUOTE] how arent irish people ethnically white? You could make that argument with Ashkenazis/Armenians or any other ethnic group that historically kept it in their ethnic group when having babies but Irish had tons of intermarriage with other ethnic groups.

[QUOTE=RB33;51953813]There were times where he said he had no problems with immigrants if they integrated and agreed that American regardless of race are equal. But at the same time, he keeps arguing about preserving the white majority, which doesn't go well together. There are large gaps in his reasoning. If he talked about cultural issues instead of making it sound like a racial thing, it would have sounded much better. But as everyone have said he's a terrible debater. He uses white supremacist rhetoric while not fully believing it and that's the problem.[/QUOTE] Why do you think he doesn't fully believe in what he says? He sounds serious to me.

[QUOTE=Sonador;51953368]It'd be wonderful if the people I look up to could quit turning out to be shitty people.[/QUOTE] never meet your heros

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51953822]how arent irish people ethnically white? You could make that argument with Ashkenazis/Armenians or any other ethnic group that historically kept it in their ethnic group when having babies but Irish had tons of intermarriage with other ethnic groups.[/QUOTE] More of a personal perception I guess. Should have elaborated rofl. I don't really see the Irish as just straight up "white", but it depends on the person and what their cultural background is, etc. I can't generalize [I]because[/I] people have such a tendency to mix.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51953830]Why do you think he doesn't fully believe in what he says? He sounds serious to me.[/QUOTE] Then he would be confident in what he's saying, he's not. I'm sure he holds some of these beliefs but the (far-right) arguments he uses makes them seem more extreme.