Jon Tron vs Destiny / 4:21 AM - Zukriuchen: I Stand by JonTron, unironically - General

Now you all have me confused what you mean by "ethnically white" or whatever. The typical Irish person is white I guess but there have been black Irish people too [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Negga"]such as Ruth Negga[/URL] and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Lynott"]Phi Lynott.[/URL] So the majority would be white. I suppose.... Ethnic and things like that. If someone is born on Ireland and live here they're Irish to me /shrug.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;51953774]i think that specific comment was just a bad joke, especially considering it was about the irish. i might have missed something but a lot his prejudice seemed to be based on culture rather than genetics, and he was more against other nationalities immigrating to america rather than other races in general. which is still fucked up but y'know.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=KillRay;51952176][url]https://clips.twitch.tv/IncredulousSpikyCockroachDendiFace[/url] PROTECT THE WHITE GENE POOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51953843]Now you all have me confused what you mean by "ethnically white" or whatever. The typical Irish person is white I guess but there have been black Irish people too [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Negga"]such as Ruth Negga[/URL] and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Lynott"]Phi Lynott.[/URL] So the majority would be white. I suppose.... Ethnic and things like that. If someone is born on Ireland and live here they're Irish to me /shrug.[/QUOTE] Because there's differences between culture and race and being Irish is very much a cultural thing.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51953843]Now you all have me confused what you mean by "ethnically white" or whatever. The typical Irish person is white I guess but there have been black Irish people too [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Negga"]such as Ruth Negga[/URL] and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Lynott"]Phi Lynott.[/URL] So the majority would be white. I suppose.... Ethnic and things like that. If someone is born on Ireland and live here they're Irish to me /shrug.[/QUOTE] Could be because I'm Irish as well that it's hard for me to see them as explicitly white, considering I'm also Hispanic. Like I said earlier, personal perception lol. Would be different for other people, I imagine.

[QUOTE=Glent;51953859]Because there's differences between culture and race and being Irish is very much a cultural thing.[/QUOTE] Yes I guess thats the point I should have been making.

[QUOTE=RB33;51953841]Then he would be confident in what he's saying, he's not. I'm sure he holds some of these beliefs but the (far-right) arguments he uses makes them seem more extreme.[/QUOTE] He is, though? At one point he calls out the other guy for living in an alternate reality - maybe he falters when it comes to backing up his stuff, but he seems pretty committed to his viewpoints. At least in the first half hour.

The point of the Irish being brought up in the video was to show how bullshit claiming "tribalism" for everything was, since the Irish faced huge discrimination in America despite being white. They were considered not ethnically white. Jon being Jon, tried to justify it in some stupid way instead of facing facts, outright denying history twice.

[QUOTE=01271;51953855]quotes[/QUOTE] but like i said, taking everything else he said into consideration, i think he made a bad joke, although re-listening to that, it feels more like he doesn't actually know just what the gene pool actually is.

Can't wait to play jon jafari's urban safari.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;51953894]but like i said, taking everything else he said into consideration, i think he made a bad joke, although re-listening to that, it feels more like he doesn't actually know just what the gene pool actually is.[/QUOTE] If you don't understand something, don't make jokes about it in a serious debate. There was no context for this joke to show itself as such, so it will be taken litterally, as you look like an ignorant fool.

I wonder if his next audible coupon will be for a free copy of The Bell Curve

[QUOTE=KillRay;51953903]If you don't understand something, don't make jokes about it in a serious debate. There was no context for this joke to show itself as such, so it will be taken litterally, as you look like an ignorant fool.[/QUOTE] that's implying jon understood what he was talking about :v:

I always thought the Irish were shat on for being Catholics in a largely Protestant region.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51953881]He is, though? At one point he calls out the other guy for living in an alternate reality - maybe he falters when it comes to backing up his stuff, but he seems pretty committed to his viewpoints. At least in the first half hour.[/QUOTE] He said he was okay with quote "if 100 million brown people came here and they 100% integrated, would you be okay with that?". No racist would say yes to that. He makes points involving race, then he actually refers to culture. He doesn't know what he is saying, he can't be confident if he's unsure of his own position. He wants to be but he doesn't seem to know what his position actually is. Or more likely, how to argue what his position actually is.

"If being a minority is so great, why does no-one want to be one?" seems to be the opposite of what he's saying in every other instance. Like, it sounds like he means "if white supremacists love to claim that minorities get special privileges, why are they so worried about becoming a minority as non-white populations grow?"

A lot of Jon's arguments were just based around this idea that racial tribalism was the "be all end all" of how you would be. That's why he said for example that non-whites could not adapt perfectly to American culture. Thus his argument of whites staying the majority in America. He does not believe that other races could carry the culture of America as they became the majority because they were born from places with "dangerous cultures". Thus does of course disregard plenty of Americanized cultures that coexist well. And the fact that you are a product of your environment more than anything else. If you grow up on America ideas, you are likely to carry them. It's very easy to see how this relates to a "white is right" kind of ideals.

[QUOTE=RB33;51953941]He said he was okay with quote "if 100 million brown people came here and they 100% integrated, would you be okay with that?". No racist would say yes to that. He makes points involving race, then he actually refers to culture. He doesn't know what he is saying, he can't be confident if he's unsure of his own position. He wants to be but he doesn't seem to know what his position actually is. Or more likely, how to argue what his position actually is.[/QUOTE] The biggest problem with debating with someone who invites you to debate them is that they're going to have all the answers and preparation. I don't think Jontron has the knowledge or etiquette to debate, moreso I don't think he was given sufficient preparation time so that he could check facts(/prove he was wrong with said facts) and try to counter Destiny's points made. This wasn't really fair to Jontron, as he can't convey a comprehensible dialogue for the life of him and it really shows; It's like watching a boxing match between an adult and a toddler.

Just to clarify, the minority thing he said was a follow up to this: [Media]https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841116333291032577[/Media] He was referring to other countries not wanting their people to become minorites.

I wonder if the media will latch onto this as much as they did with pewdiepie.

[QUOTE=RB33;51954005]Just to clarify, the minority thing he said was a follow up to this: [Media]https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841116333291032577[/Media] He was referring to other countries not wanting their people to become minorites.[/QUOTE] Of course japan is in crisis because they have too many old people, not enough people having babies and not enough immigration.

[QUOTE=RB33;51954005]Just to clarify, the minority thing he said was a follow up to this: [Media]https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841116333291032577[/Media] He was referring to other countries not wanting their people to become minorites.[/QUOTE] That's cool and all... but they've been talking about america. No one asks America to be less white easier. But immigration is much easier here than Japan, especially since we are majority English speaking. You should not restrict immigration to "preserve the white race"

[QUOTE=killerteacup;51952298]Man, jontron is actually a pretty terrible guy[/QUOTE] Some people here will surely disagree with me, but I consider political stances to be one of the worst ways to judge a person as a whole. Better to actually know him rather than completely write him off because of some gamer vs gamer political debate. I've known enough people on both sides of the political spectrum who are full of goodness to feel entrenched in my thoughts on this and I'm sure many others here have too.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51954043]Of course japan is in crisis because they have too many old people, not enough people having babies and not enough immigration.[/QUOTE] Yes, I believe Jon said he doesn't care about that though. That cultural preservation (or something similar) was more important.

[QUOTE=Bertie;51954048]Some people here will surely disagree with me, but I consider political stances to be one of the worst ways to judge a person as a whole. Better to actually know him rather than completely write him off because of some gamer vs gamer political debate. I've known enough people on both sides of the political spectrum who are full of goodness to feel entrenched in my thoughts on this and I'm sure many others here have too.[/QUOTE] sure he can be funny and likeable when talking about video games and whatever innocent things he likes; but when it comes down to what actually matters and what decisions he would make, politics do matter and it does indicate what kind of person they have become

[QUOTE=RB33;51954069]Yes, I believe Jon said he doesn't care about that though. That cultural preservation (or something similar) was more important.[/QUOTE] Yeah he also completely ignored the economist-backed idea that California, the 6th (?) Strongest economy in the world was helped boom because it also recieves the most immigration in the country and this influx of workers allows a lot of, well, work to be done. His idea of culture and race preservation above all else is well... self explanatory.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51954045]That's cool and all... but they've been talking about america. No one asks America to be less white easier. But immigration is much easier here than Japan, especially since we are majority English speaking. You should not restrict immigration to "preserve the white race"[/QUOTE] Destiny tried to talk about America the entire time, Jon didn't though. Jon was more talking about Europe and the world. Some issues are a lot more common there than in the US. He is misguided in believing that Europe's issues are the same as in the US though, they are not.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;51954098]never expected jon to be this much of a retard[/QUOTE] this comment is quite poetic actually, really brings the whole saga full circle

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51954070]sure he can be funny and likeable when talking about video games and whatever innocent things he likes; but when it comes down to what actually matters and what decisions he would make, politics do matter and it does indicate what kind of person they have become[/QUOTE] Really doesn't unless you're a politician or other type of person who actually influences things badly in the real world. It's simply shallow to completely paint a person's character because of a bunch of things he said in front of a camera.

BUT JAPAN FOR THE JAPANESE! I don't know, the whole argument that japan is a model we should aim for plus the shit about Europe collapsing due to immagration THEN the gene pool shit, JonTron really needs get out of the echo-chamber hes built And the Irish shit, how he lives in NY and hasn't wondered why there such dense areas of people who are proud of being part Irish?

Honestly fuck the concept of race lets just stop giving a damn about who bangs who, if everyone became the same general soft-caramel, that's fine by me, who honestly gives a shit it amazes me that Jon would HAVE an opinion on race at all