James Cameron's Avatar - General

[QUOTE=Phanny;19086536]The plot of this movie is directly taken from the plot of the Tau in Warhammer 40k [editline]07:22PM[/editline] The Tau are a blue, hunter-gatherer people and the Imperium find their planet and slate them for extinction, humans have far superior tech, etc. etc. etc.[/QUOTE] no it's not. this movie is an awesome generic movie of an advanced civilization trying to take over a primitive one but one of the advanced civilization guy realized they have alot in common and try to stop them. This is noting like Tau, what are you smoking. Warhammer 40k: - Imperium finds Xenos. - Imperium slates them for exterminatus with no attempted diplomacy whatsoever. - Warp storm fucks shit up. - Tau advances several generations of technology Avatar: - Humans find Na'avi and their rich rock. - Try to do diplomacy by giving medicine, education, and etc. - Creates avatars for recon and diplomacy - Generic plot and ending commences.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19088588]no it's not. this movie is an awesome generic movie of an advanced civilization trying to take over a primitive one but one of the advanced civilization guy realized they have alot in common and try to stop them. This is noting like Tau, what are you smoking. Warhammer 40k: - Imperium finds Xenos. - Imperium slates them for exterminatus with no attempted diplomacy whatsoever. - Warp storm fucks shit up. - Tau advances several generations of technology Avatar: - Humans find Na'avi and their rich rock. - Try to do diplomacy by giving medicine, education, and etc. - Creates avatars for recon and diplomacy - Generic plot and ending commences.[/QUOTE] Yeah. It's a lot more like Pocahontus.

[QUOTE=Majache;19088561] Did you even fucking see Aliens? They were a bunch of bumbling idiots.[/QUOTE] It was the Lieutenant guy that got a bunch of them killed at first. There was a couple smart guys, but I guess you're right, they were the minority. And Weaver regretted Alien 4, and I meant Aliens aged better visually.

[QUOTE=Majache;19088620]Yeah. It's a lot more like Pocahontus.[/QUOTE] Except stuff blows up.

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19088625]It was the Lieutenant guy that got a bunch of them killed at first. There was a couple smart guys, but I guess you're right, they were the minority. And Weaver regretted Alien 4, and I meant Aliens aged better visually.[/QUOTE] No, you don't get it. Alien 4. That mean that not only did she make Alien 4, she made Alien 3. And then decided it would be a good idea to make Alien 4. After Alien 3. [editline]01:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;19088651]Except stuff blows up.[/QUOTE] It's like Pocahontus if the evil white men had robots and gunships. And if the Indians had magic hair. [editline]01:52AM[/editline] And how has Aliens aged better visually? All the good Design is from Alien. The derelict ship, the Cargo ship, the Aliens themselves, it's all from Alien. What did Aliens have? [img]http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/aliens-apc.jpg[/img] A box with guns on it.

[QUOTE=Majache;19088653]No, you don't get it. Alien 4. That mean that not only did she make Alien 4, she made Alien 3. And then decided it would be a good idea to make Alien 4. After Alien 3. [editline]01:51AM[/editline] It's like Pocahontus if the evil white men had robots and gunships. And if the Indians had magic hair. [editline]01:52AM[/editline] And how has Aliens aged better visually? All the good Design is from Alien. The derelict ship, the Cargo ship, the Aliens themselves, it's all from Alien. What did Aliens have? [img]http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/aliens-apc.jpg[/img] A box with guns on it.[/QUOTE] An improved Alien costume for one. This time it wasn't some 7 ft toll Nigerian, the costume looked much better. The Sulaco for another. You just love to rag on Aliens for some reason, huh? [editline]09:00PM[/editline] And Alien 3 was bad sure, but it was only bad because Alien and Aliens set the bar so high, and none of the original team came back except for Weaver.

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19088899]An improved Alien costume for one. This time it wasn't some 7 ft toll Nigerian, the costume looked much better. The Sulaco for another. You just love to rag on Aliens for some reason, huh? [editline]09:00PM[/editline] And Alien 3 was bad sure, but it was only bad because Alien and Aliens set the bar so high, and none of the original team came back except for Weaver.[/QUOTE] It was a puppet in Aliens. And it was used far more effectively in Alien. A hundred Aliens that are easily killed aren't fucking scary, Alien was scary because it was one fucking alien. Who gives a shit if there are a million of them? Nostromo was better. And I don't love to rag on Aliens, I just think that Alien is clearly superior. It was bad because the effects were shitty, the acting was shitty, the writing was shitty, and the story was shitty.

The acting was shitty? You best be trollin'. Seriously though, I agree Alien was more suspenseful, and the most fucked up thing is that the facehugger scene was an analogy for male rape. I liked Aliens because it was a good popcorn movie, true, but its just so fucking quotable, plus it is probably the best sequel in movie history, considering how the sister Predator franchise was a one hit wonder.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19079414]Do they ever explain what Unobtainium does that makes it so valuable?[/QUOTE] after being refined the metal had a unique levitation property because it's a special superconductor. remember those floating islands? [QUOTE=Majache;19088162]I think the humans in 40k were cut off by a warp storm. And the Tau were primitive at the time and advanced in the ensuing ten thousand years. I just saw this movie in 3D, and fuck do my eyes hurt. Like I said, 3D is, was, and always will be a fucking stupid gimmick. [/QUOTE] you have to know how to watch a 3D movie. you need to look at the object that is in the focus of the screen, not the background or non-focused things. 3d movies work by creating an artificial depth-of-field to give the 3d impression. trying to look at the unfocused part will obviously strain your eyes because your eyes are trying to refocus on a intentionally blurry picture. [url]http://gizmodo.com/5430372/how-to-not-get-a-headache-during-avatar[/url]

[QUOTE=Foda;19089110]after being refined the metal had a unique levitation property because it's a special superconductor. remember those floating islands?[/QUOTE] I thought the reason the little rock on his desk floated because of a hi-tech paperweight or something

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089108]The acting was shitty? You best be trollin'. Seriously though, I agree Alien was more suspenseful, and the most fucked up thing is that the facehugger scene was an analogy for male rape. I liked Aliens because it was a good popcorn movie, true, but its just so fucking quotable, plus it is probably the best sequel in movie history, considering how the sister Predator franchise was a one hit wonder.[/QUOTE] Alien 3? Fuck yeah it was bad. Well of course. It was designed by this motherfucker. [img]http://www.authenticsociety.com/img/hrGiger.maske.jpg[/img] Giger doesn't fuck around. It was the best sequel money wise, I suppose. But in the end the original was better, had more vision, and was more intelligent. And that's why it wasn't as popular. [editline]02:14AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Foda;19089110][B]after being refined[/B] the metal had a unique levitation property because it's a special superconductor. remember those floating islands?[/QUOTE] Yeah so how exactly were the islands floating then? And that's kind of impossible anyway, but fuck this movie has magic mind controlling braided hair so I suppose I can't expect too much.

[QUOTE=Majache;19089161] Yeah so how exactly were the islands floating then? And that's kind of impossible anyway, but fuck this movie has magic mind controlling braided hair so I suppose I can't expect too much.[/QUOTE] Yeah the hair was fucking weird, some kind of freaky universal USB that plugs into every monster on the planet

[QUOTE=Majache;19089161]Alien 3? Fuck yeah it was bad. Well of course. It was designed by this motherfucker. [img]http://www.authenticsociety.com/img/hrGiger.maske.jpg[/img] Giger doesn't fuck around. It was the best sequel money wise, I suppose. But in the end the original was better, had more vision, and was more intelligent. And that's why it wasn't as popular. [editline]02:14AM[/editline] Yeah so how exactly were the islands floating then? And that's kind of impossible anyway, but fuck this movie has magic mind controlling braided hair so I suppose I can't expect too much.[/QUOTE] i'm guessing the islands floated because the islands were basically a huge chunk of the material. i dunno though, i'm just making guesses on how it works.

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089310]Yeah the hair was fucking weird, some kind of freaky universal USB that plugs into every monster on the planet[/QUOTE] The Na'vi are like laptops. If you want to upgrade to one you can just switch out the hard drive from your old one, and there you go. [editline]02:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Foda;19089352]i'm guessing the islands floated because the islands were basically a huge chunk of the material. i dunno though, i'm just making guesses on how it works.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't more material just make it harder for it to float? I mean, it's obvious that that stuff wasn't pure Unobtainium.

You see, if I was the person assigned to mine that Unobtainium, I'd simply dig out all the available Unobtainium in areas that the Na'Vi didn't inhabit. I'd also develop a virus specific to their DNA for later on, but that's different.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19089519]You see, if I was the person assigned to mine that Unobtainium, I'd simply dig out all the available Unobtainium in areas that the Na'Vi didn't inhabit. I'd also develop a virus specific to their DNA for later on, but that's different.[/QUOTE] If Canuhearme ran things :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19089519]You see, if I was the person assigned to mine that Unobtainium, I'd simply dig out all the available Unobtainium in areas that the Na'Vi didn't inhabit. I'd also develop a virus specific to their DNA for later on, but that's different.[/QUOTE] 1. Steal Na'vi DNA. 2. Science. 3. Send out new army of mind controlling genetic monsters to crush all resistance. Foolish small thinking corporates. Why didn't they mine those mountains? They probably have a lot of that stuff.

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089108]Seriously though, I agree Alien was more suspenseful, and the most fucked up thing is that the facehugger scene was an analogy for male rape.[/QUOTE] Really? To what end? Just being fucked up?

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089563]If Canuhearme ran things :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] I say we do my plan. We could go from this [img]http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9584/navisp4.jpg[/img] to this [img]http://www.igniq.com/images/stalker250804.jpg[/img] Now that's what I call progress. [editline]02:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;19089619]Really? To what end? Just being fucked up?[/QUOTE] To the end of being fucking horrifying. Because getting raped in the face by a walking vagina is pretty fucking horrifying.

[QUOTE=TH89;19089619]Really? To what end? Just being fucked up?[/QUOTE] No I think it had more to do with the alien shooting its load off in that guy's mouth

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089677]No I think it had more to do with the alien shooting its load off in that guy's mouth[/QUOTE] It's supposed to be a perversion of human reproduction you shallow philistine.

[QUOTE=Majache;19089715]It's supposed to be a perversion of human reproduction you shallow philistine.[/QUOTE] Oh right, that's exactly what'd be going through my head if a facehugger latched on my face. "Oh dear, this clearly represents a fundamental degradation of human sexual relations, how complex and clever." Not "oh holy shit theres a fucking spider crab thing on my face and I cant breath and it just shot something down my throat agghh"

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089563]If Canuhearme ran things :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] If I ran that operation they wouldn't of being beaten by people with sticks, I always thought it was obvious that if an enemy lives in a jungle or forest, you develop a bioweapon that either effects the forest, jungle, or the enemy themselves.

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089768]Oh right, that's exactly what'd be going through my head if a facehugger latched on my face. "Oh dear, this clearly represents a fundamental degradation of human sexual relations, how complex and clever." Not "oh holy shit theres a fucking spider crab thing on my face and I cant breath and it just shot something down my throat agghh"[/QUOTE] There's a reason that you're referred to as the audience you know. Because you're not the one with a spider vagina on your face.

[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19089768]Oh right, that's exactly what'd be going through my head if a facehugger latched on my face. "Oh dear, this clearly represents a fundamental degradation of human sexual relations, how complex and clever." Not "oh holy shit theres a fucking spider crab thing on my face and I cant breath and it just shot something down my throat agghh"[/QUOTE] That's the thing about representations and symbolism, you are only supposed to catch them on your second or third viewing, and only if you are looking for them.

That's exactly what the designer was going for. It was meant to exploit the fear of male oral rape.

I give up, I can't win

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19089784]If I ran that operation they wouldn't of being beaten by people with sticks, I always thought it was obvious that if an enemy lives in a jungle or forest, you develop a bioweapon that either effects the forest, jungle, or the enemy themselves.[/QUOTE] Or just burn the motherfuckers. Bombardment, fuck yeah.

[QUOTE=Majache;19089817]Or just burn the motherfuckers. Bombardment, fuck yeah.[/QUOTE] Bombardment might hurt the precious, precious metal, though.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19090051]Bombardment might hurt the precious, precious metal, though.[/QUOTE] The loss of material incurred would be minimal compared to the cost of any casualties. Soldiers are expensive. Not to mention the destroyed material has anti gravity properties. The dust would just float into the air. Send in some helicopters with vacuums.