[QUOTE=Kyle902;19093258]The mountains float due to the fact that they have high concentrations of "Unobtainium" in them. Since "Unobtainium" is highly magnetic, the mountains basically float on a magnetic cushion.
Not to mention the lower gravity....
[editline]10:13PM[/editline]
Weed, dude.[/QUOTE]
Then mine the fucking mountains. They're like an hour away from the army base. Jesus.
[editline]07:04AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=jota de;19093370]I think you should spoiler tag that.[/QUOTE]
Why? It was predictable as fuck.
I thought Avatar was one of the best movies in quite a while. It could just be the fact that I like to know background information and not just see lots of action scenes, but I thought it blended it all very nicely. I sincerely hope they do something in the future with the avatar universe, maybe not a movie, but something at least.
[QUOTE=Majache;19094062]Then mine the fucking mountains. They're like an hour away from the army base. Jesus.
[editline]07:04AM[/editline]
Why? It was predictable as fuck.[/QUOTE]
How exactly would they do that?
Set up a base on one of the floating mountains and start mining?
But if you did that guess what happens when you mine the mountain out?
You fall down go boom.
My one critique with this film is that it doesn't explain what the ore is/does, sure we get the price and name but no more than that. That is the only fault that I can find thus far with the film.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;19094086]How exactly would they do that?
Set up a base on one of the floating mountains and start mining?
But if you did that guess what happens when you mine the mountain out?
You fall down go boom.[/QUOTE]
The metal floats, right?
They have an assload of explosives. Just blow the fuck out of it. Then just send in a helicopter with a vacuum cleaner. Easiest mine ever, and you don't even have to move your equipment.
[QUOTE=Majache;19094853]The metal floats, right?
They have an assload of explosives. Just blow the fuck out of it. Then just send in a helicopter with a vacuum cleaner. Easiest mine ever, and you don't even have to move your equipment.[/QUOTE]
Only you got shitloads of dirt and just a bit of ore. That's how it usually works.
Also, I think the part where it was floating was because it was in some sort of antigravity thing for display purposes that makes things stay in freefall.
[QUOTE=slinkman;19094752]My one critique with this film is that it doesn't explain what the ore is/does, sure we get the price and name but no more than that. That is the only fault that I can find thus far with the film.[/QUOTE]
You don't really need to know anything about the metal except that it's valuable.
[QUOTE=slinkman;19094752]My one critique with this film is that it doesn't explain what the ore is/does, sure we get the price and name but no more than that. That is the only fault that I can find thus far with the film.[/QUOTE]
The only fault? The only fucking fault? Christ, lemme spell it out for all yalls.
[sp]The Corporates and the Na'vi were one note hackneyed fucks from other films. Hell, the whole plot was lifted from "Dances with Wolves". But the worst part was that the characters had no depth whatsoever, the Indians- woops I meant to say Native Americans- have no emotions. At least no emotions that cause them to do anything other than the most pacifistic and nature loving of things. They capture the fucks who burned their children alive and of course they just let them go. Jake fucks the wise woman to be, clearly going against the tradition outlined by Ripley, but of course the only person who gets angry enough to do anything is the dime a dozen "proud boyfriend" character.
Yeah, cause the ritualistic people are only sort of iffed when you break a sacred tradition. No, no penalties incurred on the chick or Jake, that would make them not perfect in every fucking way.
But the corporates, shit, the corporates were even worse than the natives. Let's see, their command structure is made up of a retarded douchey Burke rehash, and a retarded douchey colonel. The retarded douchey Burke rehash spends all of his time working on how to become an even bigger douche, has absolutely no positive qualities, and has less than any actual humanity. He might as well have a fucking cape and goatee. Luckily, the one dimensional lawyer douche is offset by the one dimensional military douche. Ooh-rah.
Mr. Colonel spends his time being apathetic, lifting weights, and trying to be more of a generic badass. Emotions? Nah. Motivation? Nope. Any history defining his character beyond a one paragraph bit of exposition on how he got his scar and is too bad ass to get rid of it? No sirree. James Cameron likes his stereotypes bland and stupid.
Of course, ruling over the one dimensional and poorly developed characters is our hero, Jake. Jake, who's whole history consists of a three minute bit of exposition on things that I'd rather see than more "Na'vi are peacloveforest nature and humans are hatefearbabymurder" preachy bullshit. Jake, who's character is as predictable as the fucking sun because of how cartoonishly evil the humans are and how cartoonishly good the natives are. Oh yes, Jake has some real good bits folks. Like the part where he gives up his human body(which was predictable because he only ever talks about how much he hates it). Or when he falls in love with a native(which is predictable because they bicker like school children). Or when he unites the Na'vi against the humans, which was also fucking predictable because the love interest spent a good amount of time explaining [I]exactly how to unite the Na'vi to Jake.[/I]
Ah, the Na'vi. You know, when I saw the first bit of concept art released of them, I thought it was a bad joke. You know why? Because they looked like stupid downsy jellyfish people. But James Cameron saw that coming, so instead of going with jellyfish people, he decided to go with people who are almost exactly like humans in every way. Same expressions, same way of talking, same eyes, really. Remembering at the last moment that they're supposed to be aliens, Cameron gave them cat ears, cat noses, and magic braided hair that allows them to control the minds of the animals of the forest. And I'm sorry, but you can't fucking explain that logically, why the fuck would every other animal they "jack into" have those proboscis things, yet they have fashionable braided hair? Because things with probosces on their heads aren't fuckable, now are they?
I mean, it doesn't matter. They're tall, blue, native americans with magic hair. Just given that concept everything that fallows will immediately go down the shitter, but whatever.
Then you have the design for the military. Let's see, Matrix revolution mechs? Check. Drop ship from Aliens? Check. Generic redneck soldiers who're hungry for some Injun blood? Check. Add in a sprinkle of bravado and a few tablespoons of stupid, and there you have the marines from Avatar. Anything that's not totally good or completely evil must give Cameron a bad rash.
Now, going back to the "I broke your sacred tradition but you're natives so it's k" theme, other important things that Cameron forgot to explain:
Why Unobtainium is valuable/what it does
Why the floating mountains float
Why the Na'vi can fucking jack into animals
Why the predators that enjoy a symbiotic relationship with the Na'vi ATTACK THE NA'VI
What the fuck those seed things were and why they displayed intelligence. I mean, do they sense evil, or can they tell the future, or what?
Why can the forest brain control animals but not Na'vi or humans?
If the seeds aren't intelligent and are being controlled by the tree, why can't the tree control other stuff?
If the trees are intelligent, why don't they defend themselves when the humans come in and fuck shit up? Why do they have to wait for someone to ask them?
And many more I can't think of right now.[/sp]
But that's not even the worst of it. The worst part is, this is the absolute best that James Cameron can do. This is all he can do. 15 years of development, 400 million dollars, and he can't even fill in all the plot holes. He can't even make characters with depth. He can't even make something that isn't a complete and utter ripoff of something else. All he can do is buy the best of the best and make them animate his shit.
And you know what? That part was really good. Everything he bought was good. The CG was superb, probably the best that anyone can do these days. But he bought that. He didn't make it, he paid someone else to make it for him. And even then think about it.
400 millions dollars. Do you know how many good movies can be made with 400 million dollars? Do you know how many good directors there are with good stories who can't get 4 million dollars to make a great movie? 400 million dollars, all the time in the world, and all Cameron can give us is this hackneyed shit he stole from a good dozen other movies? Hackneyed shit he can't even expand upon?
Not only does this film not have only one conceivable flaw, not only is it in fact an average film(at best) with a mind boggling budget, but it's depressing. It's depressing because it's a waste. A waste of good money and effort.
In closing, it wasn't a perfect movie. And if you didn't notice any flaws whatsoever then you're blind and deaf.
[editline]09:03AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Performual;19094950]Only you got shitloads of dirt and just a bit of ore. That's how it usually works.
Also, I think the part where it was floating was because it was in some sort of antigravity thing for display purposes that makes things stay in freefall.[/QUOTE]
Dirt doesn't float. Unobtainium does. Blow up unobtainium, you've got lots of unobtainium dust. Unobtainium dust floats up, vacuum. Simple.
And the mountains have to be almost pure unobtainium, or else they couldn't support the weight of the rock. Or, if they aren't and it only takes a small amount of it to lift that much, then the large deposit they talk about should lift the whole goddamn tree straight into the air due to all the upward thrust.
But if Unobtainium doesn't actually float, what the fuck does it actually do?
[editline]09:04AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;19095304]You don't really need to know anything about the metal except that it's valuable.[/QUOTE]
You would if the corporates were anything more than Vaudeville villains.
I like the way guys in here are arguing over the plot of a James Cameron film :rolleyes:
It's not exactly Three Colours guys, come on.
[QUOTE=jcallan;19095470]I like the way guys in here are arguing over the plot of a James Cameron film :rolleyes:
It's not exactly Three Colours guys, come on.[/QUOTE]
He spent 15 fucking years on it, if it's still shit, then he's a complete moron.
Yeah I pretty much agree with all your posts so far.
Jeez Majache. It really seems like you were pissed off with things from the start and now you're just trying to find points to justify your emotions. You know just as well as the next guy why every single detail you pointed out wasn't explained.
Just step back, turn off the monitor, do something else, and start posting after you've calmed down.
Seriously...You're getting worked up over trivial things.
[QUOTE=Performual;19095551]Jeez Majache. It really seems like you were pissed off with things from the start and now you're just trying to find points to justify your emotions. You know just as well as the next guy why every single detail you pointed out wasn't explained.
Just step back, turn off the monitor, do something else, and start posting after you've calmed down.
Seriously...You're getting worked up over trivial things.[/QUOTE]
Go away.
[QUOTE=jcallan;19095567]Go away.[/QUOTE]
Some people just need to calm down.
[QUOTE=Performual;19095551]Jeez Majache. It really seems like you were pissed off with things from the start and now you're just trying to find points to justify your emotions. You know just as well as the next guy why every single detail you pointed out wasn't explained.
Just step back, turn off the monitor, do something else, and start posting after you've calmed down.
Seriously...You're getting worked up over trivial things.[/QUOTE]
I'm being thorough in explaining why I disliked it.
Take your passive aggressive ad hominem bullshit somewhere else.
[editline]09:20AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Performual;19095569]Some people just need to calm down.[/QUOTE]
And I am calm, this is all stuff I worked out hours ago. So unless you're suggesting I've been constantly angry for the past 5 hours, maybe you should find a different point to talk about.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095587]I'm being thorough in explaining why I disliked it.
Take your passive aggressive ad hominem bullshit somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
Yea, don't mind me. Keep calling me names if that makes you feel better. Also, feel free to type out more paragraphs of critique if that helps.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095587]And I am calm, this is all stuff I worked out hours ago. So unless you're suggesting I've been constantly angry for the past 5 hours, maybe you should find a different point to talk about.[/QUOTE]
Well that's great, but you read that big post of yours as if you're someone else and tell me it wasn't as emotionally-charged as I said it was.
I'm finished.
[QUOTE=Performual;19095664]Yea, don't mind me. Keep calling me names if that makes you feel better. Also, feel free to type out more paragraphs of critique if that helps.
Well that's great, but you read that big post of yours as if you're someone else and tell me it wasn't as emotionally-charged as I said it was.
I'm finished.[/QUOTE]
I didn't call you a name sweety, I was pointing out your logical fallacies.
There's a difference between writing an emotionally charged post and being emotional.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095405]The only fault? The only fucking fault? Christ, lemme spell it out for all yalls.
...[/QUOTE]
Well, look at it this way. You know what Twilight did for all the cheesy, Nightmare-Before-Christmas loving, goth/emo preteen girls that all seemed to love vampires and cuteness and rebelling against sheltered christian homes? You know, the ones that become Wicca when they get their periods? How one dimensional that plot was? Fuck I haven't even read the book or seen the movie and I know it's about some stupid girl who falls in love with this mysterious Rhett Butler-wannabe and ends up finding out that he's a VAMPIRE!!!
How ROMANTIC!!!
Not. Sparkling? Jesus. It's the same thing. This is for the crowd that grew up on Disney and Military Science Fiction movies. This isn't about "Geeze, what a one dimensional, shitty plot. God this is so predictable." Everyone knew the plot before they saw it! Same with Twilight! This is about paying $8 to see two hours of cool visuals, and watching fucking powered armor suits and grunts duke it out with blue fairy Disney/Furry people who love nature and use magic. This is for the people who always wanted to take a gun to the head of whatever Disney character they hated so much. [sp]Strangely enough I felt differently after I saw that part where they destroy the tree.[/sp]
But yeah, he really did rip off Dances with Wolves completely.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095691]I didn't call you a name sweety, I was pointing out your logical fallacies.
There's a difference between writing an emotionally charged post and being emotional.[/QUOTE]
Hard to tell when all you have to work with is text right?
[B]You're right, I'm wrong. Argument over. Happy?[/B]
We gotta stay on topic.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;19095696]Well, look at it this way. You know what Twilight did for all the cheesy, Nightmare-Before-Christmas loving, goth/emo preteen girls that all seemed to love vampires and cuteness and rebelling against sheltered christian homes? You know, the ones that become Wicca when they get their periods? How one dimensional that plot was? Fuck I haven't even read the book or seen the movie and I know it's about some stupid girl who falls in love with this mysterious Rhett Butler-wannabe and ends up finding out that he's a VAMPIRE!!!
How ROMANTIC!!!
Not. Sparkling? Jesus. It's the same thing. This is for the crowd that grew up on Disney and Military Science Fiction movies. This isn't about "Geeze, what a one dimensional, shitty plot. God this is so predictable." Everyone knew the plot before they saw it! Same with Twilight! This is about paying $8 to see two hours of cool visuals, and watching fucking powered armor suits and grunts duke it out with blue fairy Disney/Furry people who love nature and use magic. This is for the people who always wanted to take a gun to the head of whatever Disney character they hated so much. [sp]Strangely enough I felt differently after I saw that part where they destroy the tree.[/sp]
But yeah, he really did rip off Dances with Wolves completely.[/QUOTE]
1. All those movies from the past did it better.
2. The blue furries win, so I don't know what you're talking about.
3. The visuals don't make it in and of itself a good movie. They make it entertaining when you first watch it, but otherwise they might as well not be there.
[editline]09:35AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Performual;19095702]Hard to tell when all you have to work with is text right?
[B]You're right, I'm wrong. Argument over. Happy?[/B]
We gotta stay on topic.[/QUOTE]
Apology accepted.
[editline]09:36AM[/editline]
If I want a visual clusterfuck, I'll watch 2001. Or mind game. Or you know, creative things.
Aliens are damn ugly. They look like naked furries.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095587]I'm being thorough in explaining why I disliked it.
Take your passive aggressive ad hominem bullshit somewhere else.
[editline]09:20AM[/editline]
And I am calm, this is all stuff I worked out hours ago. So unless you're suggesting I've been constantly angry for the past 5 hours, maybe you should find a different point to talk about.[/QUOTE]
I think you're being thorough enough, you've criticized it for pages now. Dude chill and just do something else.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095742]1. All those movies from the past did it better.
2. The blue furries win, so I don't know what you're talking about.
3. The visuals don't make it in and of itself a good movie. They make it entertaining when you first watch it, but otherwise they might as well not be there.
[editline]09:35AM[/editline]
Apology accepted.
[editline]09:36AM[/editline]
If I want a visual clusterfuck, I'll watch 2001. Or mind game. Or you know, creative things.[/QUOTE]
I know, I agree with everything you're saying 100%, it was corny as shit, and had the oldest plot in the book. And the visuals and concepts were generic, recycled, and shitty. The characters were extremely stereotypical, cliche, and typecasted.
It was still fun for me to watch anyway. I knew all that coming in. And honestly, it was nice to watch a lighthearted film compared to recent films like Children of Men and the Dark Knight.
[QUOTE=Amez;19095789]I think you're being thorough enough, you've criticized it for pages now. Dude chill and just do something else.[/QUOTE]
You've been telling me to stop criticizing the film for a while now. Maybe you should go take a walk, contemplate the meaning of life, something like that.
[editline]09:49AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Xystus234;19095833]I know, I agree with everything you're saying 100%, it was corny as shit, and had the oldest plot in the book. And the visuals and concepts were generic, recycled, and shitty. The characters were extremely stereotypical, cliche, and typecasted.
It was still fun for me to watch anyway. I knew all that coming in. And honestly, it was nice to watch a lighthearted film compared to recent films like Children of Men and the Dark Knight.[/QUOTE]
Children of Men isn't really what I'd call recent.
And this is hardly a light hearted film, I mean what with all the genocide.
Good point. I mean less dark.
I think I might actually see this movie.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095405][sp]Why Unobtainium is valuable/what it does
Why the floating mountains float
Why the Na'vi can fucking jack into animals
Why the predators that enjoy a symbiotic relationship with the Na'vi ATTACK THE NA'VI
What the fuck those seed things were and why they displayed intelligence. I mean, do they sense evil, or can they tell the future, or what?
Why can the forest brain control animals but not Na'vi or humans?
If the seeds aren't intelligent and are being controlled by the tree, why can't the tree control other stuff?
If the trees are intelligent, why don't they defend themselves when the humans come in and fuck shit up? Why do they have to wait for someone to ask them?
And many more I can't think of right now.[/sp]
[/QUOTE]
I'm actually quite happy that he didn't explain those things. And why would he need to? The movie is alread two and a half hours long, if he would go to explain every single tiny detail, the movie would be 6 hours long(exagerating a bit, but you get the point).
It would have ended in "Star Trek"-like technobrabble anyway, which I personaly don't like. If you do, so be it.
But maybe something about the whole natives being fine with her deciding for Jake. Even today in the Amazonas there live natives in which the women have the same rights as the men. So I think in the tradition of the Na'vi the women also has the right to decide wether she likes to marry someone or not.
I still like the movie and I like the plot as well. I can see why you don't like it though and that's fine.
[editline]11:21AM[/editline]
Only thing I didn't like was the face of Sigourney Weavers avatar. Looked fucking strange
[QUOTE=tomahawk2;19079981]Does it matter? [B]You obviously condone moving other groups of people away from their homes and destroying land for your own greed.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, it matters [B]enormously[/B], in video games, movies, and books (anything [B]not real[/B]) I always root for the bad guys (possibly because in every damn fictional story the good guys win, and I'm bored of it).
If had you read my posts in any thread about beating someone or using violence of any sort to solve a real life problem, you'd know that I definitely don't "obviously condone moving other groups of people away from their homes and destroying land for your own greed.".
Back on topic, the visuals and directing was awesome, sadly it was extremely cliché and predictable. So yeah the movie was good, it's the story that kept it from being awesome/great for me. I sure do hope they make a sequel, the visuals are awesome, if they come up with a good plot for the sequel it might just be one of the best movies I've seen.
[QUOTE=rosthouse;19096309]I'm actually quite happy that he didn't explain those things. And why would he need to? The movie is alread two and a half hours long, if he would go to explain every single tiny detail, the movie would be 6 hours long(exagerating a bit, but you get the point).[/QUOTE]
He has sequels to do that in. The main actors who survived are signed on for "possible" sequels, so you can pretty much rest assured Cameron has one or two new movies planned, where he's likely to explain all these plot holes. After seeing how well he did with Aliens, I don't think he's just going to leave us saying, "What the fuck, Cam?"
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