[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19086924]Except, unlike Avatar, the Humans would've committed Exterminatus (also the Tau have excellent tech as well.)
Thinking about it, an orbital bombardment scene would be amazing.[/QUOTE]
They were going to have an Exterminatus and then were cut off by a warp storm and then the Tau advanced in the next 6,000 years when the Imperium kinda forgot about them but I was selectively choosing facts in order to advance my point
Man it fucking blows that I can't watch this in glourious 3D because of my eyesight, and I don't want to watch this in 2D :saddowns:
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[sp]Am I the only one who thought the main villain soldier guy seemed a lot like Rourke from the Disney Atlantis film?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I thought he looked more like a mix between Clint Eastwood and R. Lee Ermey. D:[/sp]
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[sp]Especially with the bits where he's all "Humaniity has destroyed teh nature, we must stop them naow". That comes kind of out of left field, as up until that point he's just sort of "Yeah, trees. Nature. Whatever. Okay." It would have hit home more if we actually saw us destroying stuff on Earth, maybe at the time he was in Venezuela.[/sp]
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It was probably more the mentality of "Wow, all this stuff's going to be gone... That's going to SUCK. D:" I know I'd be depressed as fuck if there were no more whirligig rave lizards to play with.
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Wouldn't more material just make it harder for it to float? I mean, it's obvious that that stuff wasn't pure Unobtainium.[/QUOTE]
Might be a more potent super-conductor. Plus apparantley the planet had a rather powerful magnetic field. Remember the flux that screwed with their instruments?
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;19090775]Just went and saw it today. I have to admit that it was pretty damn good, but I still found the message downsy.
I mean first off, the whole special spiritual connection has no real world or even symbolic counter part, and without that, they're just a bunch of stubborn, bigoted natives who would rather destroy everyone than reach a compromise.
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The "spiritual connection" DID have a real-world counter-part. [sp]It seems to me that Pandora is a sort of super-organism, like an ant-hill but far more complex. It appears that all life on Pandora evolved with the strange ability to interconnect and share information, the reason being unknown but infinitely fascinating. Considering this and the fact that the Na'vi are primitives, it makes sense that they'd attach a spiritual stigma to this planet-wide bio-network.[/sp]
Not even sure if I should've spoiler'd that or not, but meh, rather not take my chances.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;19091141]I think it had just a slight bit of magic.[/QUOTE]
Refer to last quote.
[QUOTE=Majache;19094062]Then mine the fucking mountains. They're like an hour away from the army base. Jesus.
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Don't suppose you saw the shit they had to go through to even GET to the mountains then. You saw the mining equipment they used, it was all huge and remotely controlled. You couldn't get it up there, and if you tried to blow chunks of the rock out they likely wouldn't fall, they'd just float there. Plus the massive flux vortex would fuck up the remote control.
[QUOTE=Majache;19095405]The only fault? The only fucking fault? Christ, lemme spell it out for all yalls.
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Now, going back to the "I broke your sacred tradition but you're natives so it's k" theme, other important things that Cameron forgot to explain:
Why Unobtainium is valuable/what it does
Why the floating mountains float
Why the Na'vi can fucking jack into animals
Why the predators that enjoy a symbiotic relationship with the Na'vi ATTACK THE NA'VI
What the fuck those seed things were and why they displayed intelligence. I mean, do they sense evil, or can they tell the future, or what?
Why can the forest brain control animals but not Na'vi or humans?
If the seeds aren't intelligent and are being controlled by the tree, why can't the tree control other stuff?
If the trees are intelligent, why don't they defend themselves when the humans come in and fuck shit up? Why do they have to wait for someone to ask them?
And many more I can't think of right now.[/sp][/QUOTE]
As much as you like to talk about vision and depth, you sure do seem to appreciate a movie that requires you to turn your brain off to enjoy it (perhaps Strange Wilderness is more your thing?). Here's my best educated guess for your questions (because some directors like their audience to fill in the blanks so the experience is more personal):
[sp]Why Unobtainium is valuable/what it does: Naturally occuring super-conductor that remains super-conductive at above really fucking cold temeratures.
Why the floating mountains float: See above. Expose a super-conductor to a magnetic field (such as the extremely powerful flux vortex found in that region) and it levitates. The mineral may even have something to do with the magnetic field itself.
Why the Na'vi can fucking jack into animals: Possibly a biological adaptation that seems to have stuck with most creatures throughout evolution as a means of communicating more effectively with each other, and as such is exploitable by the Na'vi as a means to better control and bond with these creatures.
Why the predators that enjoy a symbiotic relationship with the Na'vi ATTACK THE NA'VI: Critters gotta eat, and if you're smaller, you're food. More on the "symbiotic" part later.
What the fuck those seed things were and why they displayed intelligence. I mean, do they sense evil, or can they tell the future, or what?: The jelly-fish seeds were an oddity for sure. Might have something to do with the trees absorbing unobtainium for all I know. They clearly react to external stimuli, but as to what they react to I couldn't guess unless they were actually around to study. Observation is useless here and lends a sense of wonder to these strange seeds.
Why can the forest brain control animals but not Na'vi or humans?: The forest didn't control, it communicated. The forest is a network/memory cache, and as such can be used as a means of communicating a feeling to anyone/thing that taps in. When Jake "jacked in", he conveyed a sense of imminent danger that could only be stopped by converging on a certain area and fighting back, and so any critter that logged in to view their blog updates would realize "oh fuck, shit just got real" and react accordingly. It's like an ultimate method of self-preservation.
If the seeds aren't intelligent and are being controlled by the tree, why can't the tree control other stuff? Who's to say the seeds aren't intelligent? Or that they're being controlled at all? They may merely be influenced somehow by Pandora's bio-network which is somehow able to tell that Jake's avatar is a cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything. :downs:
If the trees are intelligent, why don't they defend themselves when the humans come in and fuck shit up? Why do they have to wait for someone to ask them?: The trees themselves aren't intelligent, they're nodes. When Jake first connected to the bio-network it's possible that he didn't convey any sense of imminent destruction so the forest and anyone/thing listening was oblivious (or it's possible he didn't convey anything at all and was just listening). The second time, when Jake sent out the call for help, he protrayed yadda-yadda-yadda I've explained this already.
And many more I can't think of right now: Probably a semi-valid explaination for that too if you're willing to list them in the future.
But I guess I'll give a brief explaination of why the natives didn't flip out when Jake boned Alien girl: She WAS TO BE mated with whats-his-face, it hadn't officially happened yet.
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In closing, it wasn't a perfect movie. And if you didn't notice any flaws whatsoever then you're blind and deaf.[/quote]
Oh yeah, I noticed flaws. They were strangely enough super-ceded by how immersive Pandora was.
[quote]Dirt doesn't float. Unobtainium does. Blow up unobtainium, you've got lots of unobtainium dust. Unobtainium dust floats up, vacuum. Simple.[/quote]
Sounds simple enough I suppose, to a person who's never done any mining or engineering.
[quote]And the mountains have to be almost pure unobtainium, or else they couldn't support the weight of the rock. Or, if they aren't and it only takes a small amount of it to lift that much, then the large deposit they talk about should lift the whole goddamn tree straight into the air due to all the upward thrust.[/quote]
Again, you clearly weren't paying attention to the movie if you failed to notice the mentioning of an intense magnetic field in the area the mountains were floating in. They only mention it ever time they go near it.
[quote]You would if the corporates were anything more than Vaudeville villains. [/quote]
You'd know the value of unobtainium if you paid any attention to the one on the corporate douche's desk.
[QUOTE=acds;19096543]Yes, it matters [B]enormously[/B], in video games, movies, and books (anything [B]not real[/B]) I always root for the bad guys (possibly because in every damn fictional story the good guys win, and I'm bored of it). [/quote]
Then I suggest you read "Storm of Iron" if you haven't yet.
[quote]Back on topic, the visuals and directing was awesome, sadly it was extremely cliché and predictable.[/quote]
Kinda was, yeah, but then again what isn't in Hollywood these days?
[quote]So yeah the movie was good, it's the story that kept it from being awesome/great for me. I sure do hope they make a sequel, the visuals are awesome, if they come up with a good plot for the sequel it might just be one of the best movies I've seen.[/QUOTE]
I'd actually be kinda miffed if they made a sequel, odds are it'll have nowhere near the budget of the first and they'll probably half-ass the story to turn it into more of a cash-cow than it's become already, turning it into a movie made to raise your expectations and dash them on the jagged rocks of "WTF?". Or, as I like to call it, "Land Before Time Syndrome".
[QUOTE=cyclocius;19097142]There HAD to be some unexplained elements in the movie, they just don't matter that much. I don't really care what Unobtanium does, I'm just a spectator, watching from a distance. It could be used to build massive buildings, it could be used to make space craft, I really don't care. It's there, it's valuable, it's a plot device, that's all it really needs to be.
The Na'vi's universal USB? Pretty damn cool and innovative I say. It's a good way to show how intune they are with nature, that they can literally jack into it.
Also, how the Eywa (the great tree) seeds are moved, I think Neytiri says that Eywa doesn't take sides, but is dedicated to the balance of life. It makes sense that they'd be attracted to Jake, since he's the only one who had the idea of summoning the other tribes to fend off the Company.
There are other bits as well that are unexplained, but they don't matter dammit! I walked out of the cinema thinking;
"Damn that was awesome!" The plot was old, but it was presented amazingly, and I don't just mean in terms of the CG. It was just brilliant, and I can't put my finger on why. I didn't want all of the details laied out on paper like I was an idiot, if the details are there then you need to find them.
One minor gripe I had was that some of the Foilage was never seen again, like that orange plant that retracted on touch. I assume it was meant to catch whoever touched it and digest that part. I think it would've been awesome to see a soldier tread on that when the Na'vi lead a counter attack charge. But whatever.[/QUOTE]
Well-put I'd say.
As for what I thought, I saw it in 2D so I can't comment much on the OMGIFEELLIKEI'MACTUALLYTHERE!D: factor. BUT, from what I saw it was a very immersive world. I couldn't help but become enthralled with each critter that came up, especially the whirligig rave lizards, fuck I want one so bad. :v: Plus I like movies that make me try to figure things out by myself, like why the atmosphere was toxic or why everything was bio-luminescent. All in all I look forward to seeing it again in 3D.
I figured out the purpose of the seeds.
[sp]Since Jake was not born on the planet, and his Avatar had not been out into the wilds yet, no information was stored about him. Therefore, when he came into contact with the great trees and stuff, the seeds attached to him to gather information about him, basically download him into the network[/sp]
[QUOTE=acds;19096543]Yes, it matters [B]enormously[/B], in video games, movies, and books (anything [B]not real[/B]) I always root for the bad guys (possibly because in every damn fictional story the good guys win, and I'm bored of it).
If had you read my posts in any thread about beating someone or using violence of any sort to solve a real life problem, you'd know that I definitely don't "obviously condone moving other groups of people away from their homes and destroying land for your own greed.".
Back on topic, the visuals and directing was awesome, sadly it was extremely cliché and predictable. So yeah the movie was good, it's the story that kept it from being awesome/great for me. I sure do hope they make a sequel, the visuals are awesome, if they come up with a good plot for the sequel it might just be one of the best movies I've seen.[/QUOTE]
Why would we want to develop a "relationship" with the main characters only to see the bad guys win? There's just no logic in that.
I thought the movie was exceptionally good, effects were good and I liked the story. I'm not the kind of guy who see's a flaw and goes monkeyshit over it.
Looks absolutly beautiful, if I watch it in 3D i'll proberbly have an awegasm.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;19101248]I figured out the purpose of the seeds.
[sp]Since Jake was not born on the planet, and his Avatar had not been out into the wilds yet, no information was stored about him. Therefore, when he came into contact with the great trees and stuff, the seeds attached to him to gather information about him, basically download him into the network[/sp][/QUOTE]
That actually makes sense.
I like the way people are talking about the plot of this film :hurr:
That was awesome. Who cares if a few things are unexplained or make little sense? There's a scene where a fucking dragon picks up a helicopter out of the sky and throws it at another helicopter and then they explode, in 3D! It's just awesome!
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I'd actually be kinda miffed if they made a sequel, odds are it'll have nowhere near the budget of the first and they'll probably half-ass the story to turn it into more of a cash-cow than it's become already, turning it into a movie made to raise your expectations and dash them on the jagged rocks of "WTF?". Or, as I like to call it, "Land Before Time Syndrome".
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I really hope a sequel comes, and I don't think they will half-ass the story, its James Cameron we're talking about.
I just came back from watching it in 3D and i have to say it was fucking incredible.
[quote=deggemannen;19101378]develop a "relationship" with the main characters[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Mathias92;19102412]I really hope a sequel comes, and I don't think they will half-ass the story, its James Cameron we're talking about.[/QUOTE]
Uh... this one had a half-ass story.
And it was James Cameron.
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[QUOTE=jcallan;19101905]I like the way people are talking about the plot of this film :hurr:[/QUOTE]
What plot?
[QUOTE=deggemannen;19101378]Why would we want to develop a "relationship" with the main characters only to see the bad guys win? There's just no logic in that.
I thought the movie was exceptionally good, effects were good and I liked the story. I'm not the kind of guy who see's a flaw and goes monkeyshit over it.[/QUOTE]
I don't want to develop a relationship with the characters, and in my opinion movies should drop this "good vs bad" stuff (they shouldn't be so well defined, afterall everything is a lighter or darker shade of grey).
acds is right. We need a Seinfeld movie.
I went to see it a few hours ago. I honestly didn't think the plot was that bad. Nothing incredible, but also not as bland as some make it out to be.
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Then I suggest you read "Storm of Iron" if you haven't yet.
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Going to as soon as I can thanks. And that is why I love WH40k, no "evil" and "good", and it never ends in the classical fairy tale-style "and they lived happily ever after".
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Uh... this one had a half-ass story.
And it was James Cameron.
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I don't think so, but in this one they focused mainly on the CGI, but now since they have that part he will probably use more time or get a better story for the second.
Even so this is my new favorite movie. I thought it was just pure awesomeness
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What plot?[/QUOTE]
That was sort of my point.
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lol pathetic people
Haven't seen it yet, but my mate says that there wasn't a whole lot of point for the 3D effects.
The 3D effects are a lot more subtle than in most 3D stuff, so I can see why some people might not think they're worth paying extra for. I thought they were pretty good though.
I didn't really notice a lot of 3D stuff, just a few objects being closer than others.
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I didn't find her attractive at all. But that Marine Pilot was smokin
[QUOTE=rosthouse;19101852]That actually makes sense.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't. If that were true the seeds would attache themselves to everyone who every went near one. And it wouldn't explain why the seed landed on the arrow.
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[QUOTE=dvondrake;19106445]It's not "HOLY SHIT CRAP JUMPING OUT AT YOU GIMMICK", it adds depth. That's all. You're no longer just watching an image off a 2-dimensional plane, but it feels like you're actually seeing everything with your own eyes.[/QUOTE]
I didn't get that at all. It added nothing to the experience of the movie. Except my eyes hurt like a bitch afterwards.
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[QUOTE=Mathias92;19104090]I don't think so, but in this one they focused mainly on the CGI, but now since they have that part he will probably use more time or get a better story for the second.
Even so this is my new favorite movie. I thought it was just pure awesomeness[/QUOTE]
He already spent 15 fucking years coming up with a story. You think that only now he's going to become serious?
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[QUOTE=Negrul1;19102173]That was awesome. Who cares if a few things are unexplained or make little sense? There's a scene where a fucking dragon picks up a helicopter out of the sky and throws it at another helicopter and then they explode, in 3D! It's just awesome![/QUOTE]
It wasn't that awesome. I've seen cooler things in Gears of War than I have in Avatar.
[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;19106774]I didn't find her attractive at all. But that Marine Pilot was smokin[/QUOTE]
I thought the Na'vi version of Jake was pretty hot.
ITT twelve year olds who though Transformers 2 was a cinematic milestone.
See, you people keep pointing out how "roxxor boxxor teh efeks r teh win" when this movie wasn't a straight action movie. Yeah, it had a good last fight scene, but the rest was shitty montages and retarded writing. And the rest is more then 3/4ths of the movie.
So why not just watch 2012, a movie is nothing but giant explosions?
[QUOTE=Majache;19106935]No it doesn't. If that were true the seeds would attache themselves to everyone who every went near one. And it wouldn't explain why the seed landed on the arrow.
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I didn't get that at all. It added nothing to the experience of the movie. Except my eyes hurt like a bitch afterwards.
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He already spent 15 fucking years coming up with a story. You think that only now he's going to become serious?
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It wasn't that awesome. I've seen cooler things in Gears of War than I have in Avatar.[/QUOTE]
Thats because you where focusing on the background and not at the main object.
[QUOTE=jcallan;19107136]ITT twelve year olds who though Transformers 2 was a cinematic milestone.[/QUOTE]
Dude, it like, brought dog humping to it's rightful place as [I]totally hilarious![/I]
[QUOTE=Majache;19106935]No it doesn't. If that were true the seeds would attache themselves to everyone who every went near one. And it wouldn't explain why the seed landed on the arrow.
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I didn't get that at all. It added nothing to the experience of the movie. Except my eyes hurt like a bitch afterwards.
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He already spent 15 fucking years coming up with a story. You think that only now he's going to become serious?
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It wasn't that awesome. I've seen cooler things in Gears of War than I have in Avatar.[/QUOTE]
You take this kind of shit too seriously lol.
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