James Cameron's Avatar - General

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19163682]Destroying entire ecosystems isn't exactly what I'd call "getting back on the environmentalist track".[/QUOTE] The damage has already been done to Earth, are you suggesting we sit in our man-made hell and wait for some plague to come and annihilate us? Like it or not, Imperialism in a situation like this seems to be the only viable option to continue.

This movie was way beyond epic, it went into SuperAwesomeMegaEpic land. I bought into the creatures, great and small, as REAL. At no time did I feel like I was watching a computer game, which was I was most afraid would happen. The motion capture, not the 3d, is what made this film. Those characters had no uncanny valley, they were REAL dammit! The actors' performances came right through, it really brought everything to life. The one flaw, a small one but it's there, is the message is a bit heavy handed. By the time someone said "shock and awe" I had to roll my eyes. But it didn't spoil it.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19163759]The damage has already been done to Earth, are you suggesting we sit in our man-made hell and wait for some plague to come and annihilate us? Like it or not, Imperialism in a situation like this seems to be the only viable option to continue.[/QUOTE] So the movie's message is: "You fucked up your world. Deal with it, or try fixing it."

This is a good movie. It's not drowsy. It's plot is cool. It makes you a fool. It's got CGI. Which makes you ask Why? Because it's epic. It's Hectic. It makes a hick wanna lick. Ten Outta Ten . Would see again.

[QUOTE=FunTykoon;19155121]Nothing pleases you people. Generic Soundtrack- Would you like some heavy metal to a epic battle, or a orchestra that (if anyone noticed) goes along with the tide of the battle? Predictable Plot- Oh, well if you want, we can let the main character die in the middle of the movie and the Na'vi massacred. You do realize that the foundation of any narrative/conflict peice of media is for the "good guys" to win at some point in time after a setback, right? Unmemorable Characters- You have a fucking terrible memory. The journey for Jake made him and Neytiri un-fucking-forgetable, and not to mention that Grace and Trudy were total hardasses. The only forgetable character's were General Badass and Corporate Fuck. Human Aliens- Your brain is engineered to care only about humans (and to an extent, humanoids). So if they were slugs or bats, you wouldn't give a shit about any of them. James Cameron even said himself that them being humanoid was not his original intention. "sexy animation tho and a funny dick joke"- Oh, I see. I have wasted my time.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between a forgettable score and a subtle score. It's a predictable story because it's been told a hundred fucking times, and it was always shit. Film has been around for a hundred fucking years and we're still making fucking vaudeville morality plays, I mean jesus. Jake and Whatserface were forgettable. They had no personality beyond the stereotypes they were given by Cameron. Maybe you remembered them, but hell, I'm pretty sure a lot of people remembered Edward Cullen at the end of Twilight too. Grace and who? Bullshit, I cared just fine for the aliens in D9, and that's because the writing wasn't shit! If Cameron were half competent he could do the same fucking thing. And who gives a shit what his intention was, what matters is what he puts on the screen.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;19164376]So the movie's message is: "You fucked up your world. Deal with it, or try fixing it."[/QUOTE] Exactly, however Earth at this point sort of reached the point of no return; massive deforestation has left most land life extinct, as well as most aquatic life due to various factors.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19162893]It's just kinda stupid that mankind took nothing from destroying their own planet and are now just prowling the stars looking for new worlds so they can repeat the same process over and over again. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.[/QUOTE] I don't know, I think that the cities on Earth looked like a better place to live than Pandora. Sort of reminded me of Transmetropolitan, but a lot darker. [editline]03:48AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19164457]Exactly, however Earth at this point sort of reached the point of no return; massive deforestation has left most land life extinct, as well as most aquatic life due to various factors.[/QUOTE] Well that's their fault innit? I think the stupid bastards should just cut the crap and get to making up a new artificial ecosystem. I mean, biotechnology has got to be at a certain point by now, hasn't it? Or they could just pull a 40k and split planets into hive cities and agri-worlds. [editline]03:50AM[/editline] [QUOTE=radioactive;19164431]This is a good movie. It's not drowsy. It's plot is cool. It makes you a fool. It's got CGI. Which makes you ask Why? Because it's epic. It's Hectic. It makes a hick wanna lick. Ten Outta Ten . Would see again.[/QUOTE] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/d/df/GrandOak.jpg[/img] Though covered in vines, even I go online, And I wonder as I read, why do you rhyme as me?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19163759]The damage has already been done to Earth, are you suggesting we sit in our man-made hell and wait for some plague to come and annihilate us? Like it or not, Imperialism in a situation like this seems to be the only viable option to continue.[/QUOTE] I'm suggesting that just running about all willy-nilly doing the same thing to other worlds is rather stupid. [QUOTE=Majache;19164526]I don't know, I think that the cities on Earth looked like a better place to live than Pandora. Sort of reminded me of Transmetropolitan, but a lot darker. [/QUOTE] It looks like a great setting for a grim-darkish futuristic metropolitan hell, but it doesn't look like a nice place to live unless you like brown skies and garbage bags as far as the eye can see. Of course considering the highly dangerous wildlife and unbreathable atmosphere Pandora has to offer it doesn't look quite like a gated community either.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19164651]I'm suggesting that just running about all willy-nilly doing the same thing to other worlds is rather stupid.[/QUOTE] This. A million times this.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19164651]I'm suggesting that just running about all willy-nilly doing the same thing to other worlds is rather stupid. [/QUOTE] Humans aren't exactly going to be setting up suburbs in Pandora anytime soon, if anything they'd build Arcologies which, believe it or not, would be quite eco-friendly if built correctly.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19164651]It looks like a great setting for a grim-darkish futuristic metropolitan hell, but it doesn't look like a nice place to live unless you like brown skies and garbage bags as far as the eye can see. Of course considering the highly dangerous wildlife and unbreathable atmosphere Pandora has to offer it doesn't look quite like a gated community either.[/QUOTE] Exactly. At least if you lived on Earth everything would look totally fucking badass.

I really think they should have had a better contrast of Earth and Pandora to sort of build a motive for the humans. Would make them look less "inhuman" as well because the movie sort of makes them look that way.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19164775]Humans aren't exactly going to be setting up suburbs in Pandora anytime soon, if anything they'd build Arcologies which, believe it or not, would be quite eco-friendly if built correctly.[/QUOTE] Don't even try, Canuhearme. The humans in Avatar are the most one dimensional, petty, thoughtless, evil sonsuvbitches in the universe. I'm sure they'd sooner drink year old expired milk than be even indirectly thoughtful. To be frank, in Avatar, humans = Vogons. [editline]03:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Adius Shadow;19164821]I really think they should have had a better contrast of Earth and Pandora to sort of build a motive for the humans. Would make them look less "inhuman" as well because the movie sort of makes them look that way.[/QUOTE] This. This a million fucking times.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19164775]Humans aren't exactly going to be setting up suburbs in Pandora anytime soon, if anything they'd build Arcologies which, believe it or not, would be quite eco-friendly if built correctly.[/QUOTE] It could work, if now they send Scientists and Engineers instead of Marines and Colonel Coffee Mug.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;19164698]This. A million times this.[/QUOTE] I mean, think of it this way: You move into a nice apartment, totally clean and everything. But you're a total slob and a jack-ass with no real disregard for anything and next thing you know your nice apartment is infested with cockroaches and smells like a public restroom at a $1 titty bar. Rather than cleaning up your act and becoming a god-damn decent human being, you just pack up your shit and move on to another apartment and fuck it up, and this could repeat god knows how many times. For one, it's a damn fine waste of an otherwise perfectly good apartment, and for two it's a rather dick move on your part because your neighbors have to put up with your shit too. [QUOTE=Majache;19164777]Exactly. At least if you lived on Earth everything would look totally fucking badass.[/QUOTE] And it would smell like bad ass. [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19164775]Humans aren't exactly going to be setting up suburbs in Pandora anytime soon, if anything they'd build Arcologies which, believe it or not, would be quite eco-friendly if built correctly.[/QUOTE] Considering the analogy I just gave, if you moved into a nice suburb and told your neighbors why, they'd kick you the fuck out.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;19164851]If could work, if now they send Scientists and Engineers instead of Marines and Colonel Coffee Mug.[/QUOTE] But it was corporation thing. See, in the future, the marines are mercenaries. Yes, in the future America will turn into 1600's England.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19164866]I mean, think of it this way: You move into a nice apartment, totally clean and everything. But you're a total slob and a jack-ass with no real disregard for anything and next thing you know your nice apartment is infested with cockroaches and smells like a public restroom at a $1 titty bar. Rather than cleaning up your act and becoming a god-damn decent human being, you just pack up your shit and move on to another apartment and fuck it up, and this could repeat god knows how many times. For one, it's a damn fine waste of an otherwise perfectly good apartment, and for two it's a rather dick move on your part because your neighbors have to put up with your shit too.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The solution is to take responsibility for your actions and clean the fuck up. Jesus.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19164866]I mean, think of it this way: You move into a nice apartment, totally clean and everything. But you're a total slob and a jack-ass with no real disregard for anything and next thing you know your nice apartment is infested with cockroaches and smells like a public restroom at a $1 titty bar. Rather than cleaning up your act and becoming a god-damn decent human being, you just pack up your shit and move on to another apartment and fuck it up, and this could repeat god knows how many times. For one, it's a damn fine waste of an otherwise perfectly good apartment, and for two it's a rather dick move on your part because your neighbors have to put up with your shit too. And it would smell like bad ass.[/QUOTE] Hey, I'll take that over rabid six legged panthers. I have a feeling that the smell of smog is better than the smell of rotting carcasses and decaying plant matter. [editline]04:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Eudoxia;19164896]Exactly. The solution is to take responsibility for your actions and clean the fuck up. Jesus.[/QUOTE] Or design a program that analyzes a planets features and creates a functioning ecosystem that is tailored to the needs of humans through bio printing and nanotechnology.

[QUOTE=Majache;19164926]Hey, I'll take that over rabid six legged panthers. I have a feeling that the smell of smog is better than the smell of rotting carcasses and decaying plant matter.[/QUOTE] Strange, the only thing I smell when I go outside is dairy air, which is only there because people decided this dry wind-blown dustbowl of a region would make good dairy farmland. :downs: I take it you've never been to a forest of any kind.

[QUOTE=Majache;19164883]But it was corporation thing. See, in the future, the marines are mercenaries. Yes, in the future America will turn into 1600's England.[/QUOTE] RDA (The Company) has a GDP, military and political capability that outmatches most nations on Earth at that time, so you're seeing a very small fraction of the military capability on Pandora (however, they aren't allowed to use WMDs as part of an agreement.) [editline]11:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Majache;19164777]Exactly. At least if you lived on Earth everything would look totally fucking badass.[/QUOTE] There are also fucking Amino tanks where you grow your own limbs and organs. [quote]"Amino tanks range in size from the one-pint “Digigrow” found in many doctor's offices as an outpatient service, to the converted dry dock at Anchorage Naval Yards currently being used as part of the Ocean Phoenix whale revival project."[/quote]

[QUOTE=Majache;19164926]Hey, I'll take that over rabid six legged panthers. I have a feeling that the smell of smog is better than the smell of rotting carcasses and decaying plant matter. [editline]04:03AM[/editline] Or design a program that analyzes a planets features and creates a functioning ecosystem that is tailored to the needs of humans through bio printing and nanotechnology.[/QUOTE] Having lived near the forest and in a city I would have to say the forest smells nicer.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19164976]RDA (The Company) has a GDP, military and political capability that outmatches most nations on Earth at that time, so you're seeing a very small fraction of the military capability on Pandora (however, they aren't allowed to use WMDs as part of an agreement.) [editline]11:05PM[/editline] There are also fucking Amino tanks where you grow your own limbs and organs.[/QUOTE] But where did they get permission to attack a population of SENTIENT LIFE FORMS.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;19165005]Having lived near the forest and in a city I would have to say the forest smells nicer.[/QUOTE] Decaying plant matter smells awesome, actually.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19164975]Strange, the only thing I smell when I go outside is dairy air, which is only there because people decided this dry wind-blown dustbowl of a region would make good dairy farmland. :downs: I take it you've never been to a forest of any kind.[/QUOTE] Still better than rabid six legged panthers. I have, actually. But there's a difference between forests and Pandora.

Loved the Movie (good 3d too) I hope to see it at least one more time before it's out of theaters.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;19165019]But where did they get permission to attack a population of SENTIENT LIFE FORMS.[/QUOTE] You mean the savages? It's bad PR, but the military gave them permission (that's how desperate they want the Unobtainium.) [editline]11:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Majache;19165026]Still better than rabid six legged panthers. I have, actually. But there's a difference between forests and Pandora.[/QUOTE] You'd be breathing in processed air on Pandora anyway.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;19165005]Having lived near the forest and in a city I would have to say the forest smells nicer.[/QUOTE] I don't know, I think a little smog is good for the lungs. Teaches your lungs not to be pussies. [editline]04:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19165038]You mean the savages? It's bad PR, but the military gave them permission (that's how desperate they want the Unobtainium.) [editline]11:07PM[/editline] You'd be breathing in processed air on Pandora anyway.[/QUOTE] I still don't get that. Why didn't they immediately start mining the site where the Na'vi were after they fucked up their big ass tree? Not necessarily. Maybe I could just do what the colonel did and hold my breath.

So do they ever specify what the atmosphere was made up of? I don't remember them going over it.

[QUOTE=Adius Shadow;19165110]So do they ever specify what the atmosphere was made up of? I don't remember them going over it.[/QUOTE] It's made out of Unbreathagoxiphin.

[QUOTE=Adius Shadow;19165110]So do they ever specify what the atmosphere was made up of? I don't remember them going over it.[/QUOTE] It is a poisonous brew of ammonia, methane, carbon dioxide, oxygen, nitrogen, and even a small percentage of hydrogen cyanide.