James Cameron's Avatar - General

[QUOTE=Majache;19192313]I dunno. Maybe, "revenge of the evil humans" or something.[/QUOTE] As I think canuhearme? said, I'd watch a sequel where the humans come back and orbital strike the fuckers to oblivion. :v:

[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;19192336]As I think canuhearme? said, I'd watch a sequel where the humans come back and orbital strike the fuckers to oblivion. :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah, but then what about the third movie? "Holy shit, I think we kind of kill the blue aliens and they were god or something", or "man, I'm sure sad the aliens are dead".

[QUOTE=Majache;19192348]Yeah, but then what about the third movie? "Holy shit, I think we kind of kill the blue aliens and they were god or something", or "man, I'm sure sad the aliens are dead".[/QUOTE] 'Avatar 3 : Bastards are We'

[QUOTE=Majache;19192292]Plenty of movies have fantastical environments and create great characters in one movie. Like, Blade Runner[/quote] People are gonna slap me for this, but I have yet to see this movie. DON'T PANIC, I shall remedy this soon enough. [quote]Alien[/quote] Haven't seen Alien in years, how many characters and new environments were there again? [quote]Star Wars(the first movie, while part of a trilogy, was almost completely self contained plot and character wise)[/quote] I don't even remember the last time I've seen this movie, either. Usually I just have to watch a movie 2 or three times and then alot of it sticks with me for a long while, but it must have been quite some time since TBS spammed this movie. [quote]And besides, Cameron wants to make Avatar a trilogy anyway.[/QUOTE] Not sure if want... [QUOTE=Majache;19192313]I dunno. Maybe, "revenge of the evil humans" or something.[/QUOTE] That's exactly why I wish they wouldn't make a sequel. There's only two paths they can take: Humans return to "take what is theirs", or Na'vi peace becomes unstable and Jake has to pull everyone's heads out of their asses. If Cameron managed to throw something completely off-the-wall and unpredictable, then hot-damn. Otherwise, meh. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see more of Pandora, but... What else is there that they can do?

I might go see this since you guys seem to love it. Just gotta find out if you can watch it in 3D over in the local cinema.

[QUOTE=Namelezz!;19192378]I might go see this since you guys seem to love it. Just gotta find out if you can watch it in 3D over in the local cinema.[/QUOTE] Even in 2D the visuals are amazing, so either way you won't be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19192372]People are gonna slap me for this, but I have yet to see this movie. DON'T PANIC, I shall remedy this soon enough. Haven't seen Alien in years, how many characters and new environments were there again? I don't even remember the last time I've seen this movie, either. Usually I just have to watch a movie 2 or three times and then alot of it sticks with me for a long while, but it must have been quite some time since TBS spammed this movie. Not sure if want... That's exactly why I wish they wouldn't make a sequel. There's only two paths they can take: Humans return to "take what is theirs", or Na'vi peace becomes unstable and Jake has to pull everyone's heads out of their asses. If Cameron managed to throw something completely off-the-wall and unpredictable, then hot-damn. Otherwise, meh.[/QUOTE] Well then you can't talk shit about sci-fi or good character now can you. The Nostromo, the Alien ship, the Alien planet, and all the areas those places comprise. How the fuck can you even be arguing with me about sci fi movies if you can't even remember one of these fucking pivotal sci fi movies.

[QUOTE=Majache;19192422]Well then you can't talk shit about sci-fi or good character now can you. The Nostromo, the Alien ship, the Alien planet, and all the areas those places comprise. How the fuck can you even be arguing with me about sci fi movies if you can't even remember one of these fucking pivotal sci fi movies.[/QUOTE] Because I saw them ages ago? I must've been 13 last time I saw Alien (12 years ago). I've seen plenty of other movies though, though we didn't own many VHS/DVDs of the sci-fi genre because my parents were more into Westerns so what little sci-fi I got was what they'd show on TV and we didn't even get "cable" until I was 16. :downs:

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19192426]Because I saw them ages ago? I must've been 13 last time I saw Alien (12 years ago).[/QUOTE] So? If you can't even remember the movie itself then watch it again, because you've clearly forgotten what good story telling and art design is.

[QUOTE=Majache;19192437]So? If you can't even remember the movie itself then watch it again, because you've clearly forgotten what good story telling and art design is.[/QUOTE] Because the movies you posted are clearly the only movies of any genre that exhibited either of those.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19192459]Because the movies you posted are clearly the only movies of any genre that exhibited either of those.[/QUOTE] No, they're just some of the best.

[QUOTE=Majache;19192466]No, they're just some of the best.[/QUOTE] My point is that just because I haven't seen THOSE movies it doesn't mean I have no understanding of what it means for a movie to have a good story and good visuals.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19192470]My point is that just because I haven't seen THOSE movies it doesn't mean I have no understanding of what it means for a movie to have a good story and good visuals.[/QUOTE] Really? Because you pretty much admitted that Avatar had crappy characters and a stupid plot. Yet you're still defending it like it's some great work of art when so many better things exist. And when I pull up examples of really actually, you know, creative art, you can't seem to remember them. Let me dodge your memory. This [img]http://seandodson.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/blade-runner-bmw-ad-scaryideas-com-print-74461.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/new%20dailies/BladeRunner2-1024.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thevegaswindow.com/site/nicksblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bladerunner-01-0707.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/alien01.jpg[/img] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_49Q8btaCuio/Sh21neSQ_yI/AAAAAAAAAew/JlnVMP_AHvo/s320/aliens_derelict.jpg[/img] Vs. this [img]http://www.virginmedia.com/images/avatar-the-game-screens1-431.jpg[/img] [img]http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9584/navisp4.jpg[/img] I'd post more images on the actually good side, but I'm tired. So I'm going to bed. Just contemplate how foolish you've been.

[QUOTE=Majache;19192546]Really? Because you pretty much admitted that Avatar had crappy characters and a stupid plot. Yet you're still defending it like it's some great work of art when so many better things exist. And when I pull up examples of really actually, you know, creative art, you can't seem to remember them.[/quote] Sorry that I don't have photographic memory, but considering this is fairly recent where did [I]I[/I] "admit" that Avatar had crappy characters and a stupid plot? If anything I've been trying to tell you how they're not as generic as you claim. The plot, yes, it's been done before, but that doesn't make it a shit plot. [quote]Let me dodge your memory.[/quote] Methinks you mean "[I]jog[/I] your memory". [quote][img]http://seandodson.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/blade-runner-bmw-ad-scaryideas-com-print-74461.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/new%20dailies/BladeRunner2-1024.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thevegaswindow.com/site/nicksblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bladerunner-01-0707.jpg[/img][/quote] Crowded cities with lights and big-screen TVs... Where have I seen this befor- [media]http://imgur.com/kVa2S.jpg[/media] Oh yeah. Add robots, dirt and flying cars to make it futuristic. [quote][img]http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/alien01.jpg[/img][/quote] "Everything looks like an orgy of rib-cages. Okay, now run with that." [quote][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_49Q8btaCuio/Sh21neSQ_yI/AAAAAAAAAew/JlnVMP_AHvo/s320/aliens_derelict.jpg[/img][/quote] "We need an awesome ship to appear all busted up on a dark forbiding planet to establish a horror atmosphere... No, it doesn't matter what the ship looks like, just doodle something." Fun fact: I didn't directly call any of what you posted "shit", on the contrary they all look like interesting settings for the films they accompany. I'm basically just turning your "uncreative and unoriginal" argument on itself. [quote][img]http://www.virginmedia.com/images/avatar-the-game-screens1-431.jpg[/img] [img]http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9584/navisp4.jpg[/img][/quote] The first pic does the same as those you posted: Gives you an idea of the setting and general feel for the set that they use by presenting mankind trying to tame an alien wilderness. The second, not sure what to say as it's obsolete concept art.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19192387]Even in 2D the visuals are amazing, so either way you won't be disappointed.[/QUOTE] You really aren't seeing the movie properly unless you see it in 3D. [editline]12:56AM[/editline] Also if there is a sequel/trilogy I am going to ignore its existence.

I just rewatched the movie (Thanks, torrents!). It was still awesome, but... :siren: [SPOILER ALERT (lol i don't know the actual code for spoilers)] Grace the cigarette bitch, best scientist ever, and the Helicopter Pilot, who was a badass, the movie's best characters, both die. The only ones that don't die are Jake because he has plot armour and Neytiri because she has delicious sexy armour. Oh and norm, because he has unimportant armour. If there's a sequel, either Grace or Heli Pilot must somehow come back to life :saddowns: [/SPOILER ALERT] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Warez" - Hexxeh))[/highlight]

It feels like the only way to truly appreciate this movie is if you have a firm understanding of its backstory.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19198868]It feels like the only way to truly appreciate this movie is if you have a firm understanding of its backstory.[/QUOTE] Well, you just need to know that Earth's a shithole and Colonel Coffee Cup is sad because he was a military genius and on the first day on Pandora he almost got killed. Oh and that Unubtainium is a room-temp supercondutor, then Wikipedia it and learn that Room-temp superconductors would be worth quadrillions.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19198868]It feels like the only way to truly appreciate this movie is if you have a firm understanding of its backstory.[/QUOTE] C'mon! There's an alien planet. They got something people want, Scientists are racing with para-military forces to make a deal with the aliens before the para-military guys attack the aliens. A human with reasons to work for both sides is thrown in the middle of this conflict. That's the movie. Only if you want to know all the little details of the background material do you need any kind of extra information. Seriously, that unobtanium? You don't need to know jack shit about it, other than humans want it. Nothing going on in the movie requires you to know more about it.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19192847]Sorry that I don't have photographic memory, but considering this is fairly recent where did [I]I[/I] "admit" that Avatar had crappy characters and a stupid plot? If anything I've been trying to tell you how they're not as generic as you claim. The plot, yes, it's been done before, but that doesn't make it a shit plot. Methinks you mean "[I]jog[/I] your memory". Crowded cities with lights and big-screen TVs... Where have I seen this befor- [media]http://imgur.com/kVa2S.jpg[/media] Oh yeah. Add robots, dirt and flying cars to make it futuristic. "Everything looks like an orgy of rib-cages. Okay, now run with that." "We need an awesome ship to appear all busted up on a dark forbiding planet to establish a horror atmosphere... No, it doesn't matter what the ship looks like, just doodle something." Fun fact: I didn't directly call any of what you posted "shit", on the contrary they all look like interesting settings for the films they accompany. I'm basically just turning your "uncreative and unoriginal" argument on itself. The first pic does the same as those you posted: Gives you an idea of the setting and general feel for the set that they use by presenting mankind trying to tame an alien wilderness. The second, not sure what to say as it's obsolete concept art.[/QUOTE] Oh you naive young fool. I'll forgive you because you've never seen the film, but if that's all you think there is to the city in Blade Runner you're a fucking idiot. Are you really referring to the work of H. R. Giger as, "Just an orgy of rib cages" and "a doodle"? Wow. If that's all you can get out of some of the most brilliantly designed alien work of all time, then I just don't know what to say. That's like saying, "All those camera angles in Citizen Kane were stupid. I bet he was all just, 'put the camera wherever'". Seriously, are you fucking kidding me. H. R. Giger is one of the greatest conceptual designers of all time, and you call it a fucking doodle? Find me one person who even comes close to looking in any way like his work. Yeah, it's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about. [editline]09:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19198868]It feels like the only way to truly appreciate this movie is if you have a firm understanding of its backstory.[/QUOTE] That's because they don't fucking explain any of the important shit in the movie. Jesus christ, just cut out the fucking "coming of age" montage and tell me what the fuck unobtainium is. [editline]09:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Eudoxia;19199024]Well, you just need to know that Earth's a shithole and Colonel Coffee Cup is sad because he was a military genius and on the first day on Pandora he almost got killed. Oh and that Unubtainium is a room-temp supercondutor, then Wikipedia it and learn that Room-temp superconductors would be worth quadrillions.[/QUOTE] But they don't say that, and they only sort of hint at that, and they don't fucking say that. And you know what's depressing? The original cut was going to be 3 hours long. And you know why they cut it? Because the 3D could only handle 2 hours and 26 minutes of footage. How do you like your 3D now?

Looks really awesome, i got a ticket to see it tomorrow in 3D

[QUOTE=Majache;19200420] That's because they don't fucking explain any of the important shit in the movie. Jesus christ, just cut out the fucking "coming of age" montage and tell me what the fuck unobtainium is. [/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium[/url]

[QUOTE=Majache;19200420]But they don't say that, and they only sort of hint at that, and they don't fucking say that. And you know what's depressing? The original cut was going to be 3 hours long. And you know why they cut it? Because the 3D could only handle 2 hours and 26 minutes of footage. How do you like your 3D now? [/QUOTE] So if they didn't have the 3D, they could've at least explained everything in greater detail? Hell, a scene taking place on the streets of, say, New York would've been incredible (to both look cool, and to contrast Earth to Pandora.)

Saw it yesterday. It was very good, but highly cliched. Well executed though, and the cliched parts are hilarious.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19201237]So if they didn't have the 3D, they could've at least explained everything in greater detail? Hell, a scene taking place on the streets of, say, New York would've been incredible (to both look cool, and to contrast Earth to Pandora.)[/QUOTE] They should have showed a flashback of when Jake's brother was killed.

[QUOTE=Carne;19201444]They should have showed a flashback of when Jake's brother was killed.[/QUOTE] I don't think Jake really saw it. Judging by the way he said it, looks like his bro was mugged in the middle of some dark alley away from everyone else.

[QUOTE=Majache;19200420]Oh you naive young fool. I'll forgive you because you've never seen the film, but if that's all you think there is to the city in Blade Runner you're a fucking idiot.[/quote] That's all I can gather from the pics you posted. Perhaps you can post something with a little more info before I acquire a copy of the movie. Tik tok, Mr. Majache. [quote]Are you really referring to the work of H. R. Giger as, "Just an orgy of rib cages" and "a doodle"? Wow. If that's all you can get out of some of the most brilliantly designed alien work of all time, then I just don't know what to say. That's like saying, "All those camera angles in Citizen Kane were stupid. I bet he was all just, 'put the camera wherever'".[/quote] Hey, if you like rib-cage orgies and generic alien space-craft, more power to ya. [quote]Seriously, are you fucking kidding me. H. R. Giger is one of the greatest conceptual designers of all time[/quote] Says you. Can you back up your claim? [quote]and you call it a fucking doodle?[/quote] Yessuh I sho's hell did. [quote]Find me one person who even comes close to looking in any way like his work.[/quote] Are you talking "quality" or "style"? 'Cause I can probably find a few who put out the same quality but not many who draw rib-cage orgies. But here, try this: [url]http://www.dylancolestudio.com/[/url] [quote]Yeah, it's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about.[/quote] Translation: You don't agree with me so you're automatically an idiot because you used satire to feed-back my argument unto itself. [quote]That's because they don't fucking explain any of the important shit in the movie. Jesus christ, just cut out the fucking "coming of age" montage and tell me what the fuck unobtainium is.[/quote] Where have you been the past 10 pages? It's a ROOM-TEMPERATURE SUPER-CONDUCTOR. For someone who doesn't like to read you sure do like to "analyze". [quote]But they don't say that, and they only sort of hint at that, and they don't fucking say that.[/quote] They probably don't need to say it because everyone probably already knows it but you. Sorry to leave you out of the loop like that, what with dropping hints like the desk-toy and an entire friggen mountain range floating above a massive magnetic vortex. Hopefully when they release the DVD they'll have "Put 2 and 2 together" subtitles so you won't feel so lost. [quote]And you know what's depressing?[/quote] That you're still making superfluous nit-pick arguments? [quote]The original cut was going to be 3 hours long. And you know why they cut it? Because the 3D could only handle 2 hours and 26 minutes of footage.[/quote] Based on what? [quote]How do you like your 3D now?[/QUOTE] From what I saw of it in UP, it was GOD-DAMN OARSUM. [QUOTE=Faren;19194101]You really aren't seeing the movie properly unless you see it in 3D. [editline]12:56AM[/editline] Also if there is a sequel/trilogy I am going to ignore its existence.[/QUOTE] Yeah, here's hoping it's not another "Matrix".

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;19201816]I don't think Jake really saw it. Judging by the way he said it, looks like his bro was mugged in the middle of some dark alley away from everyone else.[/QUOTE] Ye, I know this, but it think it would have fit.

[QUOTE=Carne;19202213]Ye, I know this, but it think it would have fit.[/QUOTE] True. Plus, it could include a scene of Earth to show people how crappy it was at the time.

The general guy was a badass and his robot knife was fucking hilarious made the movie right there Wasn't the second coming of jesus like so many people praise it is. Still good.