[QUOTE=Mckillyou;19202399]The general guy was a badass and his robot knife was fucking hilarious
made the movie right there
Wasn't the second coming of jesus like so many people praise it is. Still good.[/QUOTE]
General Badass was awesome, shame he died.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19202982]General Badass was awesome, shame he died.[/QUOTE]
He killed Grace (Who was hilarious) and Trudy (Who was a badass and had nice tits).
I'm glad Col. Coffee Cup's dead.
[QUOTE=Majache;19200420]Oh you naive young fool.
I'll forgive you because you've never seen the film, but if that's all you think there is to the city in Blade Runner you're a fucking idiot.
Are you really referring to the work of H. R. Giger as, "Just an orgy of rib cages" and "a doodle"?
Wow. If that's all you can get out of some of the most brilliantly designed alien work of all time, then I just don't know what to say. That's like saying, "All those camera angles in Citizen Kane were stupid. I bet he was all just, 'put the camera wherever'".
Seriously, are you fucking kidding me. H. R. Giger is one of the greatest conceptual designers of all time, and you call it a fucking doodle? Find me one person who even comes close to looking in any way like his work.
Yeah, it's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about.
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That's because they don't fucking explain any of the important shit in the movie.
Jesus christ, just cut out the fucking "coming of age" montage and tell me what the fuck unobtainium is.
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But they don't say that, and they only sort of hint at that, and they don't fucking say that.
And you know what's depressing?
The original cut was going to be 3 hours long. And you know why they cut it? Because the 3D could only handle 2 hours and 26 minutes of footage.
How do you like your 3D now?[/QUOTE]
You see all the shit in Avatar?
Yeah, that was fucking planned out to see if a ecosystem could would like that. Other than the "bond" all of that in the movie is possible ( maybe even the bond, but that is a stretch), even the floating rocks and shit like that?
"DUR HUR H.R.Giger FUCKING AWESOME BREH"
Then why haven't I heard of him until now, but I have heard of James Cameron since I was eight?
I could give two shits if the movie was 3 hours, because I get to see the amazing Pandora for another 20 mins.
The ending made me want to bash my head against the seat in front of me.
Just watched it
Golf putter guy should have bitten it instead of helicopter pilot
I can't get enough of this movie.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19201237]So if they didn't have the 3D, they could've at least explained everything in greater detail?
Hell, a scene taking place on the streets of, say, New York would've been incredible (to both look cool, and to contrast Earth to Pandora.)[/QUOTE]
Ayep.
Disgusting, isn't it.
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[QUOTE=dvondrake;19202223]It's actually 2 hours and 42 minutes long. [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/]Source.[/url] So yeah, stop talking out of your ass.
If it was going to be 3 hours (the source of that information solely by a comment that the music's composer made in an interview) I'm sure they would find a way to get past any limitations the 3D technology would impose. And that's assuming there are any limitations--Cameron practically invented the technology for this film, so I have no doubt they would be able to get around any limitations while the technology is still in development.[/QUOTE]
So, yeah maybe they stretched it for another 17 minutes. Like you said. he made the fucking technology.
And I have other sources. Sources I can't name in good conscious, but take it for what you will. No skin off my back.
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[QUOTE=FunTykoon;19204012]You see all the shit in Avatar?
Yeah, that was fucking planned out to see if a ecosystem could would like that. Other than the "bond" all of that in the movie is possible ( maybe even the bond, but that is a stretch), even the floating rocks and shit like that?
"DUR HUR H.R.Giger FUCKING AWESOME BREH"
Then why haven't I heard of him until now, but I have heard of James Cameron since I was eight?
I could give two shits if the movie was 3 hours, because I get to see the amazing Pandora for another 20 mins.[/QUOTE]
So? That's what makes it boring.
I don't give a shit if it's possible, I give a shit if it's interesting. I didn't give a fuck about any of those creatures, they all looked like things I've already seen.
Uh, because he's a fucking director? And he made movies that made a shitload of money? So therefor more money will be put into trumpeting his name?
Yeah, that's kind of the point. That time could have used in [I]numerous[/I] places. 15 minutes of extra footage could make this film a third as good.
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[QUOTE=TH89;19206129]Just watched it
Golf putter guy should have bitten it instead of helicopter pilot[/QUOTE]
He would have if the Na'vi were actual creatures and not expressions of Cameron's liberalism.
The sequel better fucking have scenes on Earth, maybe something about showing how bad life is on Earth to make the viewer feel [I]really[/I] bad about rooting for the natives.
The more I think about it, they simply say that the environment on Earth is crap, they never say that life is actually bad... Maybe it's more like Blade Runner.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19202175]That's all I can gather from the pics you posted. Perhaps you can post something with a little more info before I acquire a copy of the movie. Tik tok, Mr. Majache.
[B]Watch the fucking movie, how about that?[/B]
Hey, if you like rib-cage orgies and generic alien space-craft, more power to ya.
[B]That's not the point ya asshole. The point is he's unique. We're talking about creativity here, remember?[/B]
Says you. Can you back up your claim?
[B]Find me five people with as much vision.[/B]
Yessuh I sho's hell did.
[B]That's because you're stupid.[/B]
Are you talking "quality" or "style"? 'Cause I can probably find a few who put out the same quality but not many who draw rib-cage orgies.
But here, try this: [url]http://www.dylancolestudio.com/[/url]
[B]So? There's a difference between matte painters and conceptual artists.
See, a conceptual artist has to make up a bunch of new things. Like, things that nobody else has made before. That's usually how design works.
And yeah, that guy is also an awesome designer. But I don't see how that makes Giger less creative.[/B]
Translation: You don't agree with me so you're automatically an idiot because you used satire to feed-back my argument unto itself.
[B]No, I'm saying that because you don't know jack shit about design, or even sci-fi in general.[/B]
Where have you been the past 10 pages? It's a ROOM-TEMPERATURE SUPER-CONDUCTOR. For someone who doesn't like to read you sure do like to "analyze".
[B]Do the words "in the movie" mean anything to you at all?
Stories are supposed to be self contained. You can't put some shit on screen that makes no sense just because you made an encyclopedia that explains it all in great detail.
I wouldn't even care if all of that came together into a good, enthralling story. But it doesn't.[/B]
They probably don't need to say it because everyone probably already knows it but you. Sorry to leave you out of the loop like that, what with dropping hints like the desk-toy and an entire friggen mountain range floating above a massive magnetic vortex. Hopefully when they release the DVD they'll have "Put 2 and 2 together" subtitles so you won't feel so lost.
[B]But that's also stupid.
If the point of the unobtainium on the desk was to explain that it floats, then why have the dongle underneath it. That just makes me think the dongle is some future gadget that makes things float. That's what I'm talking about with poor design.[/B]
That you're still making superfluous nit-pick arguments?
[B]hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha[/B]
Based on what?
[B]As said before, the musician has hinted at it, and I have other sources that I can't name.[/B]
From what I saw of it in UP, it was GOD-DAMN OARSUM.
[B]That's weird, because when I saw it didn't contribute anything to the movie. And it drowned out the color which I know a lot of the people who worked on the movie complained about, which I know because I go to the places where these people talk and I ask them.[/B]
Yeah, here's hoping it's not another "Matrix".[/QUOTE]
At least Matrix spawned the Animatrix. I have this feeling that all Avatar 2 and 3 will spawn is a lot of bullshit.
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[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19206630]The sequel better fucking have scenes on Earth, maybe something about showing how bad life is on Earth to make the viewer feel [I]really[/I] bad about rooting for the natives.
The more I think about it, they simply say that the environment on Earth is crap, they never say that life is actually bad... Maybe it's more like Blade Runner.[/QUOTE]
Well the city in Blade Runner was kind of a hell hole.
I think they just meant the Earth was "dead" in that it didn't have any trees for them to brainfuck with.
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ALso what happened to the main character guy's bird? They made a big deal out of like OH YOU MUST PICK YOUR SOUL MATE BIRD and then he was like "alright bird fuck you I'm getting the big one"
I kept expecting the big one to get blown up or something and him to get rescued by the old bird but it never happened whats the deal
[QUOTE=TH89;19206764]I think they just meant the Earth was "dead" in that it didn't have any trees for them to brainfuck with.
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ALso what happened to the main character guy's bird? They made a big deal out of like OH YOU MUST PICK YOUR SOUL MATE BIRD and then he was like "alright bird fuck you I'm getting the big one"
I kept expecting the big one to get blown up or something and him to get rescued by the old bird but it never happened whats the deal[/QUOTE]
Well then why did he say humanity killed it's mother.
Because he turned into an alien hippie fool
[QUOTE=TH89;19206764]I think they just meant the Earth was "dead" in that it didn't have any trees for them to brainfuck with.
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ALso what happened to the main character guy's bird? They made a big deal out of like OH YOU MUST PICK YOUR SOUL MATE BIRD and then he was like "alright bird fuck you I'm getting the big one"
I kept expecting the big one to get blown up or something and him to get rescued by the old bird but it never happened whats the deal[/QUOTE]
[quote]The movie and the Avatar bible both imply that Earth has undergone significant deforestation coupled with the almost total extinction of wildlife on the ground and in the ocean, such as whales.
The Avatar bible also states that overpopulation has forced the RDA to grow vast sea farms of edible protein & nutrient-rich algae, which is then flavored with spices and other tasty ingredients, in order to feed the growing number of humans both cheaply and effectively. Indeed, algae has now become the staple food for many humans on Earth.
[/quote]
The second half was recently added.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19206820]The second half was recently added.[/QUOTE]
oh well ok then
not like we need to see any of that at all
But wait, in his dreams he was flying over the Earth and it looked just fine.
[QUOTE=Majache;19206875]oh well ok then
not like we need to see any of that at all
But wait, in his dreams he was flying over the Earth and it looked just fine.[/QUOTE]
(I was answering his question about the whole Earth is dead thing.)
Venezuela, possibly, significant deforestation doesn't mean all the trees are gone, just a large amount of them.
The Avatar Bible is beginning to make Earth out to be not a hell hole, but something Asimov would think up.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19206906](I was answering his question about the whole Earth is dead thing.)
Venezuela, possibly, significant deforestation doesn't mean all the trees are gone, just a large amount of them.
The Avatar Bible is beginning to make Earth out to be not a hell hole, but something Asimov would think up.[/QUOTE]
Asimov?
You mean the guy who dreamed the earth of the future to be a disgusting irradiated spec drifting in the cosmos in the wake of better planets?
[QUOTE=Majache;19206946]Asimov?
You mean the guy who dreamed the earth of the future to be a disgusting irradiated spec drifting in the cosmos in the wake of better planets?[/QUOTE]
Exactly :buddy:
I did a lot of research on him (had to do a paper on his works) and this Earth sounds like Earth between the Robot series and the Empire series. After all, there is a significantly large war occurring on Earth at the time of Avatar.
I liked how they said that their God doesn't pick sides. for a brief moment there I thought that Cameron had written something intelligent like "Don't ask god to help you solve your problems". and then it does and sends the forces of nature to help them like it's a FUCKING DISNEY MOVIE.
[B]Fuck You.[/B]
[QUOTE=Majache;19206946]Asimov?
You mean the guy who dreamed the earth of the future to be a disgusting irradiated spec drifting in the cosmos in the wake of better planets?[/QUOTE]
>Implying the spacers were better
(They were, in a way...)
[QUOTE=goon165;19206989]I liked how they said that their God doesn't pick sides. for a brief moment there I thought that Cameron had written something intelligent like "Don't ask god to help you solve your problems". and then it does and sends the forces of nature to help them like it's a FUCKING DISNEY MOVIE.
[B]Fuck You.[/B][/QUOTE]
More like the animals came because the humans were about to nuke the brain of the global intelligence, it's like white blood cells going to attack foreign objects.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19206987]Exactly :buddy:
I did a lot of research on him (had to do a paper on his works) and this Earth sounds like Earth between the Robot series and the Empire series. After all, there is a significantly large war occurring on Earth at the time of Avatar.[/QUOTE]
Hey, that reminds me. Did the Na'vi have any wars? I mean, why else would they be fractured into so many clans?
So why does none of that ever come up? I mean, it's pretty obvious that the big tree people have the best home, so why wouldn't all the other clans be vying for it? Actually, that would make a lot of sense to have them sort of warring for control of the soul tree. Sort of like space smurf Jerusalem.
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[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19207018]More like the animals came because the humans were about to nuke the brain of the global intelligence, it's like white blood cells going to attack foreign objects.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but they never attacked them when they were clusterfucking any of the other parts of the planet. I mean, having the animals make coordinated guerrilla strikes would have done wonders for stopping their advance.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19207018]More like the animals came because the humans were about to nuke the brain of the global intelligence,[/QUOTE]
Oh don't even get me started on how that doesn't even begin to make any sort of sense.
also
[B][I]FLYING MOUNTAINS. [/I][/B]
[QUOTE=goon165;19207096]Oh don't even get me started on how that doesn't even begin to make any sort of sense.
also
[B][I]FLYING MOUNTAINS. [/I][/B][/QUOTE]
Well, it makes sense if you take the two week long correspondence course.
[QUOTE=Majache;19207062]
Yeah but they never attacked them when they were clusterfucking any of the other parts of the planet. I mean, having the animals make coordinated guerrilla strikes would have done wonders for stopping their advance.[/QUOTE]
yeah where was this global network when they went Canadian Lumberjack on their Tree?
that was a pretty big part of the ecosystem was it not?
[QUOTE=goon165;19207136]yeah where was this global network when they went Canadian Lumberjack on their Tree?
that was a pretty big part of the ecosystem was it not?[/QUOTE]
Well the Planetmind really didn't know the human's purpose.
Until Jake told it to dig through Grace's memories, see what had happened to Earth.
Plot hole = Covered.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;19207209]Well the Planetmind really didn't know the human's purpose.
Until Jake told it to dig through Grace's memories, see what had happened to Earth.
Plot hole = Covered.[/QUOTE]
No. Because the humans were still fucking up it's brain.
[QUOTE=Majache;19207524]No. Because the humans were still fucking up it's brain.[/QUOTE]
It still didn't know what was happening. Imagine living on a world where you have no concept of the idea of deforestation or strip mining. To them what the humans were doing was just killing a few trees. The planet was probably going oh well, I'll just regrow them. It didn't know that the humans would kill it just as they killed their homeworld.
Majache- "if the point of the unobtainium on the desk was to explain that it floats, then why have the dongle underneath it. That just makes me think the dongle is some future gadget that makes things float. That's what I'm talking about with poor design."
It says in the movie like five times that the rocks float because of unobtianium, you dolt.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;19207842]It still didn't know what was happening. Imagine living on a world where you have no concept of the idea of deforestation or strip mining. To them what the humans were doing was just killing a few trees. The planet was probably going oh well, I'll just regrow them. It didn't know that the humans would kill it just as they killed their homeworld.[/QUOTE]
It was supposed to be at least as smart as a human. That implies some level of reasoning.
That's like saying HAL shouldn't have felt any worry when Dave started deactivating his brain because he had no concept of pain or loss.
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[QUOTE=FunTykoon;19208005]Majache- "if the point of the unobtainium on the desk was to explain that it floats, then why have the dongle underneath it. That just makes me think the dongle is some future gadget that makes things float. That's what I'm talking about with poor design."
It says in the movie like five times that the rocks float because of unobtianium, you dolt.[/QUOTE]
Such as...?
[QUOTE=Majache;19208067]It was supposed to be at least as smart as a human. That implies some level of reasoning.
That's like saying HAL shouldn't have felt any worry when Dave started deactivating his brain because he had no concept of pain or loss.[/QUOTE]
Humans needed intelligence(as in spying) to plan their attacks. Why, if humans are smart enough to travel in space? Because when you are dealing with an alien intelligence(as in life form), you don't know anything. You don't how they think, what they will do, how far they'll go, what they are capable of- these are things you must learn about before you can act effectively.
The Pandora intelligence needed that same kind of information on humans, which it only got from Grace. That was the game changer, the thing that allowed it to go from "it doesn't take sides" to "she heard you".
[QUOTE=TH89;19206764]ALso what happened to the main character guy's bird? They made a big deal out of like OH YOU MUST PICK YOUR SOUL MATE BIRD and then he was like "alright bird fuck you I'm getting the big one"
I kept expecting the big one to get blown up or something and him to get rescued by the old bird but it never happened whats the deal[/QUOTE]
The way I saw it, he temporarily switched. He parked his other ride for a while, so he could use the hot rod. Once done, he lets the hot rod go and gets his old ride back.
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