One of the best films I have seen in 2009. It makes you feel like your actually there in Pandora (In 3D) It's such a great film I wish I could see it again.
I'm tempted to go see this movie again.
I'm sure I'm late to see a furry joke, there's no fur on those blue alien dudes?.
[QUOTE=Carne;19215823]4 years that is. He started working on the script 14 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Wait, [I]that[/I] was the script he came up with after 14 years?
Yeah, I know, fucking pathetic.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19210376]It's okay people, stand down red alert, I have just finished watching Blade Runner so apparantley I am now knowledgeable enough to inform you of my opinion.
It was a pretty good movie, but not nearly as deep and awe-inspiring as you made it out to be. It didn't require alot of thought to get the point, which was that playing God is wrong. Does that make it any shittier of a movie? No, I thought it was pretty good with a good atmosphere and decent characters (though Ford fell a little flat in terms of development, the cliche'd "has to kill people but doesn't like to kill people but he does it anyway" thing), but over-all was probably "ahead of its time" simply because they were the first to turn "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" into a movie.
The internals of the ship I'll admit are unique (there's no denying that it looks like a ass-ton of rib-cages though), the externals not so much.
First you wanted me to find one, now you want 5? Will that be a silver or platinum platter, sir?
If you're seriously so fixated on Mr. Giger's work that you think he's the top banana in dark and twisted artwork, then more power to ya.
Nothing about the externals of the space craft were particularly eye-catching at all, it looked pretty bland in my eye.
Yeah, Dylan Cole's a concept artist too. Just thought I'd let ya know. (don't believe me? Look it up)
The concept artist usually takes a pre-existing idea and tries to bring it to life on paper. If they simply made things that noone else has made/seen before, then they're usually just called "artists".
You asked me to find someone as creative as he, not someone who belittles him.
There is no single genre-defining movie, so claiming that I don't know squat because I haven't seen one film out of thousands is a tad pretentious.
...Wait, you didn't watch it at all, did you? You just stared at a screen for nearly 3 hours, didn't you? Why would you go to a movie if you're not going to watch it? Do you like handing out $8-16 on a whim? I'm so sorry Avatar didn't spoon-feed you everything you need to know in dialogue, but you might have had a basic grasp of what was going on if you actually [B]PAID. ATTENTION. TO. THE. MOVIE.[/B]
The encyclopedia provides a deeper back-story, but everything you need to know about the movie is RIGHT THERE in the movie if you pay attention. Again, sorry Cameron didn't hold your hand throughout the movie.
So would you care if you did? The hell are you trying to say here?
I'm going to say this one more time in the hopes that you notice it, in nice red letters this time:
[highlight]PAY ATTENTION TO THE STUFF HAPPENING IN THE MOVIE.[/highlight]
If you did that, you'd know that the rock is valuable. Why is it valuable? Oh, it floats in that neat gizmo, wonder why that is... Oh, look at that! An entire mountain range floating near a powerful magnetic vortex! So it's something about the rock, not the thing on his desk! It all makes SENSE now!
And the best part is, if you ever paid attention (which at this rate I doubt) to your high-school science classes, you'd know that super-conductors float in magnetic fields, but only when they're really cold, so you suddenly know THAT MUCH MORE about unobtainium! IMAGINE!
Laugh it up, funny man, 'cause that's pretty much exactly what you're doing. Though maybe "superfluous" isn't the right word, I've had that word running in my head the last few days for some reason. What's the word I'm looking for... As screw it, you're just being nit-pickey and stubborn. There's things that you're arguing about TO THIS PRESENT TIME that have been explained to you over and over again, which if you had, you guessed it, PAID ATTENTION TO THE MOVIE you wouldn't have been so confused about in the first place. You said you like movies that make you think? Blade Runner basically told you everything there is to know, there IS no deeper thinking required other than "Hmm, wonder what the recreants are going to do now?" because EVERYTHING IS EXPLAINED TO YOU FROM THE BEGINNING.
While I'm still on about Blade Runner, turns out I DID see at least the last half of it on satellite one night. Seeing it from the beginning helped it make more sense, but other than that there's probably a reason I forgot I saw it.
"I know because I read it somewhere that had it publicly available otherwise I wouldn't have been able to read it but I can't tell you where" basically translates into talking out your ass. Links or be quiet.
It's a limitation of the technology, but personally I prefer it being a bit darker to having it a mish-mash of red and green/blue. UP looked just fine to me, and the subtle but noticeable 3D was AMAZING.
Yeah, the Animatrix was awesome, especially the Second Renaissance. Hell, they should've just made a movie based on that and spared us from three movies worth of Reeves' wooden acting.
Amazing what imagery a combination of books, photographs and dreams will produce.
Again, it's been mentioned before, so hopefully you'll bother to read it here:
The Na'vi used to be divided (and therefor warring against one another) until they were united by that ancestor of Netyri's. And the fact that they know what a warrior is and that they have them shows that they at least know something of war, so it's more likely than not that they've used their warriors in the past for, what else? War. Why did they stop? What convinced them to unite? Perhaps they realized that war lead them down the path to destruction, and they were able to put aside their differences for that.
They probably have. Did you notice the AMP escorts they had for the massive dump-trucks? No, of course you didn't. That would require you to actually WATCH THE MOVIE.
For all the forest knew, the machines destroying it were un-stoppable. They were massive, armored, distributed over a fairly large range (presumably), and well-guarded, so what could it do? Once the military forces massed up into a single group, then the creatures could amass and take them out in one shot. It's also possible that when Jake linked up with it, he conveyed how they operated in a sense and therefore provided a list of weaknesses.
How would it know if it never had one on this scale before?
Perhaps because it was smart enough to know that, at the time, it could do nothing about it.
Not quite parasitic, as the rider takes nothing from the creature. It is, as the Na'vi say, a bond, a unison of the will of two entities, a mutual understanding.[/QUOTE]
That's another point to argue, but that could take days so I won't bother.
Yeah, pretty much everything looks like something else. That would be the part of your brain wired for comparison talking.
To call it a doodle is ignorant and stupid. Admit it.
Yeah, that's what I JUST SAID.
Someone [I]like[/I] him. Go read my post again.
These are the cornerstones of the genre. What everything else is either inspired by or tries to emulate. They changed Sci-fi in the same way Aliens changed the action genre.
I did watch the film ya uppity fucknugget. I never noticed any point or scene in which the function of unobtainium was explained in any clear way. Perhaps you did, and if so could you tell me? And I already explained why the desk thingamajig was a terrible example of that.
A movie requires, at the very least, one of three things.
An enthralling story.
Enthralling visuals.
Sense make.
The story was just fucking boring, the visuals were technically good but they were poorly implemented and sometimes just plain uninteresting. If the story had brought me in, or if the visuals really were awe inspiring, maybe I wouldn't have given a shit when the flying mountains came into the picture. But I wasn't brought in, and when the flying mountains showed up I just felt like it was Cameron jerking off on screen.
See, in good visual movies, there's lots of contrast. Like in Alien, the alien ship was awe inspiring because you had already set up what normal was on the ship. Then, when you break normality it makes for good entertainment.
I'm saying I wouldn't give a fuck about all the plot holes and shit if the story engaged me. But it didn't because it was generic "good vs. evil" stuff that I don't care about.
Like I just said, asshole, the rock is floating. So what? It has a shiny emitter dongle under it. That makes me think the emitter dongle is causing it to float, cause it doesn't float outside of the emitter dongle. And when they show the mountains, they don't say "Hmm, it seems there's an assload of that unobtainium stuff in these big floaty rocks." They just say, "OH yeah, haven't you heard of the floating mountains? They float and stuff". Like I said, BAD NARRATIVE CHOICES.
And why in the same of Christopher Walken would I equate a floating rock on a dongle on some guys desk to a bunch of bigger, different colored, floating mountains? I've already assumed that the dongle was making it float, I'm no longer looking for explanations.
I'm talking about what the movie explained, and how it explained it. It doesn't matter if it's explained to me after the movie if the movie couldn't do it. That's the point, how many times do I have to tell you this?
Like I said, I can't tell you who told me. Believe me or not, it's not like it even matters now that the movie is made.
Well it's a good thing to know you disagree with the people who made the movie, huh.
I personally liked Takeshi Koike's bit, World Record. I love his art style. But then he's making a movie anyway so I guess that'd be kind of superfluous. However, Second Renaissance was my third favorite, right after Detective Story. It's ahrd with these kinds of things, because they were all made by seasoned veterans of animation, and were all pretty fuckin' awesome. Except Final Flight of the Osiris. That was shit.
Yeah, but that's confusing. If you're trying to communicate the fact that Earth is a barren wasteland, then why would you show it to me looking just fine. Once again, narrative.
So wait, they're all united? So all that Jake really did was give them a heads up? Well. That's a lot less impressive.
I did. I don't remember them ever mentioning packs of wild six legged tigers making guerrilla strikes. I do remember arrows sticking out of a wheel, sort of implying that they were guarding more against a combination of Na'vi attacks and bumbling wild animals. I mean, the humans were there for a while, you'd think eventually the forest would just be all, "This isn't working. Send in an army of those rhino things and flatten the bastards. I mean especially since they're practically bullet proof and all."
Weaknesses? The animals in the end just clusterfucked their asses. I don't remember any strategizing on their part, it was just, "You flying guys kill the flying things dead, you ground guys kill the ground guys dead. Okay? Okay." They could have done that at any time, and like you said, they haven't come into contact with something invincible before, so why would they assume that the humans were invincible?
Remember that comparison part of your brain I was talking about before? The thing that everything intelligent has that allows it to extrapolate information to similar yet different situations?
What? How does that make any sense at all? War is obviously not an alien concept to the forest. If the Na'vi were doing it, then it would be an easy observation to make that one side wins and the other loses, and that the other can lose. So why would it find no similarity between the two situations until it was tacitly told so?
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[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;19212183]You are forgetting one thing- humans made HAL. HAL has built-in knowledge of how humans think because he was made in their image, so to speak. He has always interacted with humans, been programmed to know everything he needs to know to understand humans.
The creatures on Pandora have only begun to have interactions with humans, very limited and basic interactions. And the main creature on Pandora didn't have any interactions with humans at all...until Grace.[/QUOTE]
I might take that point as plausible if the Na'vi weren't almost exactly like humans in every possible way.
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[QUOTE=benos;19217302]I'm sure I'm late to see a furry joke, there's no fur on those blue alien dudes?.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. They just have magic hippy hair.
I can't tell if that's a step up or down.
Holy shit Majache and Zero Point why are you arguing so much about a movie that could have been thought up by a 15 year old
Take a chill
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pill
Honestly the adverts at the beginning made better use of 3d effect.
[QUOTE=TH89;19219583]Holy shit Majache and Zero Point why are you arguing so much about a movie that could have been thought up by a 15 year old
Take a chill
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pill[/QUOTE]
It eats time.
[QUOTE=Majache;19219620]It eats time.[/QUOTE]
And bandwith.
[QUOTE=TH89;19219583]Holy shit Majache and Zero Point why are you arguing so much about a movie that could have been thought up by a 15 year old
Take a chill
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pill[/QUOTE]
Word.
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;19219594]Honestly the adverts at the beginning made better use of 3d effect.[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck yes, we had ads for Toy Story 3 (pretty much the highlight of the film for me), Alice in Wonderland and some other Disney thing.
[QUOTE=jcallan;19219844]Holy fuck yes, we had ads for Toy Story 3 (pretty much the highlight of the film for me), Alice in Wonderland and some other Disney thing.[/QUOTE]
Pft. You know Pirhanna was the best.
That weed whacker thing was the best 3D effect [B]of all time.[/B]
[QUOTE=Majache;19220020]Piranha 3 motherfucker.[/QUOTE]
You mean Piranha 3D, it looked so incredible! Surely that thing will get an oscar.
Am I missing an injoke here :saddowns:?
I thought it was really good, not the best movie of the year though. I enjoyed Sherlock Holmes more, honestly.
[QUOTE=Big Blue;19213733]its was really fucking cool in 3d the plot was stripped completely from dances with wolves and matrix but god damn it was incredible visually[/QUOTE]
Actually, as has been stated multiple times probably (sorry guys), this movie was an EXACT REPLICA of Fern Gully: The Last Rainforest, just with an awkward furry-esque sex scene and the protagonist was willfully transformed in Avatar. Aside from those minor differences, the plots are too similar in my mind for me to appreciate the more-than 10 years of work on the script. The visuals were great, the movie was an amazing piece of eye-candy, but that was about all it was to me: eye-candy.
Hopefully this manner of film-making and visual effects use will inspire other directors to make eye-candies with original and interesting plots. For that reason, I enjoyed this movie.
^^^wat
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;19211780]Again, you're not understanding what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying the Lord of the Rings is "believable" in that it could actually happen/have happened, but that it is an immersing world that you can get properly involved in. When the Ents march on Isengard in The Two Towers I thought "oh fucking shit this is epic and Saruman is going to get his ass handed to him - didn't see that coming". Nothing in Avatar made me think that. When it tried to be epic it just looked cliched and predictable.[/quote]
That's strange, the same thing basically happened in Avatar. Those hobbits (I forget their names) pleaded and pleaded with the Treebeard that they have to do something or they'll face imminent destruction, and it isn't until the Ents finally get a grasp on the situation that they make the march and beat some Orc ass.
Same thing in Avatar. Jake informed Eywa that if something isn't done, then Pandora would end up just like Earth. Granted it was a little easier for Jake to convince Eywa, but the end result is the same: the inhabitants of Pandora fight back against the impending threat, resulting in an epic fight scene.
[quote]A slight twist? Are you shitting me? Tolkein [i]invented[/i] modern fantasy. Before Tolekin, fantasy was limited to children's fairytales and obscure and unread fiction. Elves were tiny little fairy things for Christ's sake.[/quote]
Surely someone wrote fantasy novels not meant for children BEFORE Tolkein?
[quote]I don't get why everyone is arguing over the God of the forest or whatever it's called on Pandora. The point is, it shouldn't have even been in the film as an unquestionable deity in the first place. Cameron fails again as a writer by making you [i]have[/i] to take the blue side because it is they who believe in the God who, at the end of the film, is proven to fully exist in all of its conceptual entirety. If the deity concept was in the film as purely that, a concept of the blue people, and with a possible scientific explanation for the things the blue people believe in and do (like religion today) then it would have been a much more interesting story that the viewer can make their own mind up about. Instead you get all this hippy bullshit force-fed to you for two and a half hours and if you try and disagree with it you can't because that isn't Cameron's opinion on the world so it's wrong.[/QUOTE]
Uh, that's EXACTLY what happened. Eywa was the personification of the planet-wide neural network, and was deemed a deity by the Na'vi. And I don't know if I'd call it hippy bullshit, many cultures on Earth held the planet in the same regard. Granted there wasn't a planet-wide intelligence on Earth, but that's the main difference is that the Pandoran deity actually has a physical form with a mythos attached to it, unlike many Terran gods/goddesses where deities were constructs to explain the goings-on of our world.
[QUOTE=Majache;19219250]That's another point to argue, but that could take days so I won't bother.[/quote]
I'm actually interested in knowing just what it is about that movie that makes you so sure I don't know what I'm talking about unless I've seen it, so a PM would be nice at least.
[quote]Yeah, pretty much everything looks like something else. That would be the part of your brain wired for comparison talking.[/quote]
Exactly. If I've seen it somewhere before, I've seen it somewhere before.
[quote]To call it a doodle is ignorant and stupid. Admit it.[/quote]
To call it an ungodly example of creativity and artwork is just as ignorant.
[quote]Yeah, that's what I JUST SAID.
Someone [I]like[/I] him. Go read my post again.[/quote]
Just because he is unique doesn't mean he's excellent. :eng101:
His style fit in well with Alien, Poltergeist, and all the other dark twisted creepy movies he's done designs for. That's about it.
[quote]These are the cornerstones of the genre. What everything else is either inspired by or tries to emulate. They changed Sci-fi in the same way Aliens changed the action genre.[/quote]
I fail to see how Blade Runner did that, as I said it wasn't exactly a SPECTACULAR movie that requires alot of thinking.
[quote]I did watch the film ya uppity fucknugget. I never noticed any point or scene in which the function of unobtainium was explained in any clear way. Perhaps you did, and if so could you tell me? And I already explained why the desk thingamajig was a terrible example of that.[/quote]
And here we go again with the "spoon-feeding" bit. You claim to like movies that make you think, when after watching Blade Runner (which you gave to me as an example) it seems you don't know what it means to have a movie make you figure out what's going on by dropping clues. I was in the same boat as you when I saw it floating on his desk, I thought the doo-dad just made shit float. It wasn't until I saw the mountains floating over a magnetic field that made me realize "Oh, it's the ROCK that floats because of the magnetic field!". See how easy that was? And I've already explained this in previous posts, like the one I linked you to that's way back on page 22. I just assumed you read it because you said "Damn, ya got me. Good show".
[quote]A movie requires, at the very least, one of three things.
An enthralling story.
Enthralling visuals.
Sense make.[/quote]
I'll tackle these one at a time.
[quote]The story was just fucking boring, the visuals were technically good but they were poorly implemented and sometimes just plain uninteresting. If the story had brought me in, or if the visuals really were awe inspiring, maybe I wouldn't have given a shit when the flying mountains came into the picture. But I wasn't brought in, and when the flying mountains showed up I just felt like it was Cameron jerking off on screen.[/quote]
Here's the bit where I comment on visuals. How were they poorly implemented? Cameron's designers were set out to create an alien jungle environment with unique flora and fauna and they did just that. They created a huge, mysterious world that I would love to explore in detail some day. But I would also love to hear why you think of it the way you do.
[quote]See, in good visual movies, there's lots of contrast. Like in Alien, the alien ship was awe inspiring because you had already set up what normal was on the ship. Then, when you break normality it makes for good entertainment.[/quote]
I fail to see how Pandora didn't do any of that. I knew what "normal" was when I entered the theater, and when I left I was fascinated with what the planet had to offer.
[quote]I'm saying I wouldn't give a fuck about all the plot holes and shit if the story engaged me. But it didn't because it was generic "good vs. evil" stuff that I don't care about.[/quote]
It's not about "good vs. evil", it's about a character's struggle to find himself. Jake is torn between these native people whom he is learning to like more and more (some more than others, a-hyuk), and the world he grew up in, all his friends and family. Has it been done before? Yes. Does that make it a bad plot? No.
[quote]Like I just said, asshole, the rock is floating. So what? It has a shiny emitter dongle under it. That makes me think the emitter dongle is causing it to float, cause it doesn't float outside of the emitter dongle. And when they show the mountains, they don't say "Hmm, it seems there's an assload of that unobtainium stuff in these big floaty rocks." They just say, "OH yeah, haven't you heard of the floating mountains? They float and stuff". Like I said, BAD NARRATIVE CHOICES.[/quote]
In your case, "good" narrative choices means "cramming everything I WANT to know down my throat RIGHT NOW". This movie is a puzzle that requires you to pick up on the clues while applying basic science in order to get the bigger picture, and I honestly thought it was more fun that way. I LOVE figuring stuff out by myself, which is probably why I don't like a good lot of other movies because everything that's going on is explained in detail by the characters, there's no mystery anymore.
[quote]And why in the same of Christopher Walken would I equate a floating rock on a dongle on some guys desk to a bunch of bigger, different colored, floating mountains? I've already assumed that the dongle was making it float, I'm no longer looking for explanations.[/quote]
You can't take everything at face-value until they TELL you (they being the characters) "This is how this works". So either the movie fails or you fail to understand it, and I'm aiming more for the latter.
[quote]I'm talking about what the movie explained, and how it explained it. It doesn't matter if it's explained to me after the movie if the movie couldn't do it. That's the point, how many times do I have to tell you this?[/quote]
If you want a movie that feeds you everything with a silver spoon, go back to Blade Runner and Alien.
[quote]Like I said, I can't tell you who told me. Believe me or not, it's not like it even matters now that the movie is made.[/quote]
So if it doesn't matter then go ahead and tell me. :downs:
[quote]Well it's a good thing to know you disagree with the people who made the movie, huh.[/quote]
Where did I say that? I said that the tech they used is probably the better tech they could've chosen compared to what's already out there. [I]I don't mind[/I] if it's a little darker.
[quote]I personally liked Takeshi Koike's bit, World Record. I love his art style. But then he's making a movie anyway so I guess that'd be kind of superfluous. However, Second Renaissance was my third favorite, right after Detective Story. It's ahrd with these kinds of things, because they were all made by seasoned veterans of animation, and were all pretty fuckin' awesome. Except Final Flight of the Osiris. That was shit.[/quote]
Yeah, Flight of the Osiris was rather flat. Second Renaissance was personally my favorite because it takes the whole "robots deem mankind unworthy of existence" and turning it into "mankind destroyed itself by trying to play god with otherwise sentient beings".
[quote]Yeah, but that's confusing. If you're trying to communicate the fact that Earth is a barren wasteland, then why would you show it to me looking just fine. Once again, narrative.[/quote]
Why would you dream about flying over a shit-hole if you know there used to be better? Again, thinking.
[quote]So wait, they're all united? So all that Jake really did was give them a heads up? Well. That's a lot less impressive.[/quote]
I'll agree to that, it's not like they'd disagree with the Toruk Makto, translated into "I'm the bad-ass muthafugga who rides this here dragon thing". It could've made it more interesting if he had trouble convincing at least one tribe to join, but given what I've already postulated about the Na'vi they were all for defending their home above all-else.
[quote]I did. I don't remember them ever mentioning packs of wild six legged tigers making guerrilla strikes. I do remember arrows sticking out of a wheel, sort of implying that they were guarding more against a combination of Na'vi attacks and bumbling wild animals. I mean, the humans were there for a while, you'd think eventually the forest would just be all, "This isn't working. Send in an army of those rhino things and flatten the bastards. I mean especially since they're practically bullet proof and all."[/quote]
The fact that Col. Badass had scars across his face, which he earned just by walking out of his drop-ship, said to me that the animals were doing something about the human intrusion into their territories, but strangley enough most critters have some thing about self-preservation. And those hammerhead critters? They're actually not aggressive, at least not in the "I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL YOU AND EAT YOUR BONES" aggressive, more like overly defensive. They might've tried doing something about the dump-trucks and failed, and they might have had some marginal success against the AMP escorts, but ultimately figured that the best thing to do was just to move on.
[quote]Weaknesses? The animals in the end just clusterfucked their asses. I don't remember any strategizing on their part, it was just, "You flying guys kill the flying things dead, you ground guys kill the ground guys dead. Okay? Okay." They could have done that at any time, and like you said, they haven't come into contact with something invincible before, so why would they assume that the humans were invincible?[/quote]
The Banshees seemed to know exactly where to reach in and rip out the human occupants of the Scorpion gunships, and the Viperwolves seemed to understand "Okay, the big noisy things will just fuck me up, so I'll attack the littler, squishy things". Then when the Hammerheads rolled in that took care of the AMP suits. At least that's what I've gotten from watching it, your mileage may vary.
[quote]Remember that comparison part of your brain I was talking about before? The thing that everything intelligent has that allows it to extrapolate information to similar yet different situations?[/quote]
For all the forest knew it could've been a fire. When I postulated that the animals can tap into the Pandoran network, it's possible that they conveyed a sense of "these things, they're too strong", and Eywa was just like "Hmm, I see...". It wasn't until Jake jacked-in that Eywa suddenly knew "Okay, those things AREN'T unstoppable, it'll just require a little more elbow-grease...", hence the sudden mass cooperation of animals that would normally be eating each other.
[quote]What? How does that make any sense at all? War is obviously not an alien concept to the forest. If the Na'vi were doing it, then it would be an easy observation to make that one side wins and the other loses, and that the other can lose. So why would it find no similarity between the two situations until it was tacitly told so?[/quote]
It might be to a human intelligence, but not necessarily to an alien one composed of trees.
[quote]I might take that point as plausible if the Na'vi weren't almost exactly like humans in every possible way.[/quote]
People empathize more with human-like characters. It's why the aliens from District 9, despite being insectoid in nature, had human-like eyes and eye-brows because it's alot harder to show emotion with static compound eyes.
[quote]Yeah. They just have magic hippy hair.
I can't tell if that's a step up or down.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like a step-down until you describe it as what it is: An adaptation of the creatures of Pandora that allow them to communicate more effectlively, and is exploitable by the Na'vi to bond with their steeds using a means that doesn't involve the human-esque methods of spending over a year trying to turn an otherwise independent animal into a subservient one.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19202982]General Badass was awesome, shame he died.[/QUOTE]
IMO, the furry sex scene should have been immediately followed by the "switch to incendiaries" bit. When the DVD comes out I'll make a video of that.
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[QUOTE=Eudoxia;19203581]He killed Grace (Who was hilarious) and Trudy (Who was a badass and had nice tits).
I'm glad Col. Coffee Cup's dead.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, the TVTropespawn.
I thought they were just rumours.
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[QUOTE=TH89;19206129]Just watched it
Golf putter guy should have bitten it instead of helicopter pilot[/QUOTE]
But he was a nice guy. He clearly didn't want to attack the Navi, but he had to (Another reason why this film's ethics PISS ME OFF).
Damn, the breathing packs they use on Pandora? They were originally being commonly used [I]on Earth.[/I]
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19222014]Damn, the breathing packs they use on Pandora? They were originally being commonly used [I]on Earth.[/I][/QUOTE]
So all of Earth is worse than Beijing now? Crap.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;19221626]That's strange, the same thing basically happened in Avatar. Those hobbits (I forget their names) pleaded and pleaded with the Treebeard that they have to do something or they'll face imminent destruction, and it isn't until the Ents finally get a grasp on the situation that they make the march and beat some Orc ass.
Same thing in Avatar. Jake informed Eywa that if something isn't done, then Pandora would end up just like Earth. Granted it was a little easier for Jake to convince Eywa, but the end result is the same: the inhabitants of Pandora fight back against the impending threat, resulting in an epic fight scene.[/QUOTE]
Only in The Lord Of The Rings it was good, and wasn't about some hippie bullshit and God and the epic scene was actually epic, instead of being an unoriginal and predictable climactic action-film battle.
[QUOTE]Surely someone wrote fantasy novels not meant for children BEFORE Tolkein?[/QUOTE]
See "obscure and unread fiction". Bottom-line is: Tolkein created modern fantasy.
[QUOTE]Uh, that's EXACTLY what happened. Eywa was the personification of the planet-wide neural network, and was deemed a deity by the Na'vi. And I don't know if I'd call it hippy bullshit, many cultures on Earth held the planet in the same regard. Granted there wasn't a planet-wide intelligence on Earth, but that's the main difference is that the Pandoran deity actually has a physical form with a mythos attached to it, unlike many Terran gods/goddesses where deities were constructs to explain the goings-on of our world.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I must have completely overlooked the ramblings of that hippie scientist about how the trees cry about each other and shit. That is a failing on my part, but it's also a failing on the movie's part for not making me give one about it's stupid "science".
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But he was a nice guy. He clearly didn't want to attack the Navi, but he had to (Another reason why this film's ethics PISS ME OFF).[/QUOTE]
He didn't have to at all, he was just an overly stereotyped capitalist businessman turned moron.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;19222894]Only in The Lord Of The Rings it was good, and wasn't about some hippie bullshit and God and the epic scene was actually epic, instead of being an unoriginal and predictable climactic action-film battle.[/quote]
Funny, that's exactly how the battle with the Ents looked to me.
[quote]See "obscure and unread fiction". Bottom-line is: Tolkein created modern fantasy.[/quote]
Even though it's "obscure and unread" it shows that he wasn't the first to INVENT modern fantasy, just that he managed to make it popular. And good on him for that.
[quote]Sorry, I must have completely overlooked the ramblings of that hippie scientist about how the trees cry about each other and shit. That is a failing on my part, but it's also a failing on the movie's part for not making me give one about it's stupid "science".[/quote]
It's this "hippie bullshit" mentality that's probably preventing you from piecing the puzzle together since your mind is so dead-set on "this is what I thought it was when I first saw it, so that's what it definitively is". "Hippie scientist"? They were researchers dealing with something they have never seen before. It's hard to research something when it's destroyed.
[quote]He didn't have to at all, he was just an overly stereotyped capitalist businessman turned moron.[/QUOTE]
They could've just as easily had him confront General Badass about what he was doing, but then that'd turn into the same old "I'm standing up to you!" "lol no ur not FALKUN PAWNCH" and General Badass takes over while Corporate lapdog is locked in the brig. The way he handled things instead shows another internal struggle, as he feels remorse for what he's doing, but he's under such pressure that he can't bring himself to stop.
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But he was a nice guy. He clearly didn't want to attack the Navi, but he had to (Another reason why this film's ethics PISS ME OFF).[/QUOTE]
bullshit
"Hurf durf we cant reason wit teh natives u have 1 hour!!"
[QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;19226018]bullshit
"Hurf durf we cant reason wit teh natives u have 1 hour!!"[/QUOTE]
Seriously how could you be expected to talk someone into moving out of their house so you can demolish it and turn it into a strip mine in an hour?.
[B]AND ANOTHER THING!,[/B]
What ever happened to Nuking the planet from orbit?, oh sure dumping napalm on their home and then crushing them with it and then attempting to daisy-cutter their holy tree sounds much more humane than vaporizing them in an instant. really Pandora has absolutely nothing to offer us other than the ore, i mean the atmosphere is toxic for fucks sake. just turn the planet into a barren rock and then proceed to mine it to oblivion and call it a day.
this stupidity has probably bin touched upon in earlier pages.
Plus it was General Badass who gave Jake one hour, not Corporate douche.
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