James Cameron's Avatar - General

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19264456]When Jake was first plugged into his Avatar, does anyone else have a feeling the reason he was acting so, well, cheerful outside is due to the fact there were [I]trees, plants, real fruit, and actual soil?[/I] I mean, that could be a holdover from the original, where the main reason Jake stayed was not because he got married, but rather because life on Pandora is better then life on Earth (Greener and crap like that.) Also, there HAD to have been a reason Cameron dumbed the movie down from the piece of win it was originally looking like.[/QUOTE] It's because he could finally walk again, idiot.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;19265120]It's because he could finally walk again, idiot.[/QUOTE] I didn't know that the use of your legs caused you to become high.

[QUOTE=Majache;19265178]I didn't know that the use of your legs caused you to become high.[/QUOTE] He wasn't high, he was happy as fuck because he finally had feeling in his legs, and the ability to walk. [editline]02:13AM[/editline] Also, just saw it for the 3rd time today. :toot:

[QUOTE=Majache;19265178]I didn't know that the use of your legs caused you to become high.[/QUOTE] Um... he lost the use of his fucking legs. He hasn't felt his legs at all for years and then suddenly he finds himself in a body with fully-functioning legs? That's why he's excited and high. You can see the look on his face as soon as he wakes up and sees his legs move and when he's running his toes through the soil. Seriously, don't ruin the only interesting bit of character in the whole film for me.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;19265192]He wasn't high, he was happy as fuck because he finally had feeling in his legs, and the ability to walk. [editline]02:13AM[/editline] Also, just saw it for the 3rd time today. :toot:[/QUOTE] Really? Because when I'm happy I don't go all spacey and start disregarding those around me. [editline]02:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;19265217]Um... he lost the use of his fucking legs. He hasn't felt his legs at all for years and then suddenly he finds himself in a body with fully-functioning legs? That's why he's excited and high. You can see the look on his face as soon as he wakes up and sees his legs move and when he's running his toes through the soil. Seriously, don't ruin the only interesting bit of character in the whole film for me.[/QUOTE] It wasn't really interesting, it was just stupid. He's not all "My legs! Holy shit! I have fucking legs!", he's just all "WhooaooAaooAAAoo, man, I have... like.... legs and... wooaaAOaa, the room's spinnin'.... whoaaaAoaAa... alright, I'm geddin' outta here, screw you people, ahuh..."

I don't think you can comment on this because you have never lost your legs in a war and lived in a wheel chair for years and then magically been given your legs back in an instant with no chance to mentally prepare yourself for the situation. Your points about the film have been pretty much entirely correct up to this point, but your comments about this one scene just seem immature and show a poor understanding of human emotions. And before "oh and you [i]can[/i] comment on this?" - I'm the one trying to see it from the character's point of view, rather than my own.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;19265289]I don't think you can comment on this because you have never lost your legs in a war and lived in a wheel chair for years and then magically been given your legs back in an instant with no chance to mentally prepare yourself for the situation. Your points about the film have been pretty much entirely correct up to this point, but your comments about this one scene just seem immature and show a poor understanding of human emotions.[/QUOTE] I've never seen anyone act like that while in their mind before. I've seen people overcome with strong emotions, people from all walks of life. But I've never seen someone just get all jittery and spacey. I mean, maybe I just haven't met the right people, but it doesn't seem like the action of a trained military agent. And I am trying to see it from his perspective. It's just that he's so ill defined as a person that I don't have much to work off of.

It could be a combination of "Holy shit, vegetation!" and "Holy shit, legs!" His first Avatar link-up implied both of those.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19265450]It could be a combination of "Holy shit, vegetation!" and "Holy shit, legs!" His first Avatar link-up implied both of those.[/QUOTE] Where I'm coming from is that, look, he's a soldier. He's trained and battle hardened. You'd think his first thought when faced with a shocking situation wouldn't be to disregard everything he's told by his superiors and to run off half naked.

[QUOTE=Majache;19265510]Where I'm coming from is that, look, he's a soldier. He's trained and battle hardened. You'd think his first thought when faced with a shocking situation wouldn't be to disregard everything he's told by his superiors and to run off half naked.[/QUOTE] His mind just got raped and shoved into a completely empty brain, specifically the brain of a species that isn't even physiologically similar to humans.

[QUOTE=Majache;19265510]Where I'm coming from is that, look, he's a soldier. He's trained and battle hardened. You'd think his first thought when faced with a shocking situation wouldn't be to disregard everything he's told by his superiors and to run off half naked.[/QUOTE] Yea obviously the movie is utter garbage and Cameron totally dropped the ball. Aren't you ashamed to be a part of the same species as that clown?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19265576]His mind just got raped and shoved into a completely empty brain, specifically the brain of a species that isn't even physiologically similar to humans.[/QUOTE] Uh, yeah it is. Actually, they're pretty much exactly like humans. I mean, that's just the Na'vi. The avatars are half almost exactly like humans and half human. [editline]02:35AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Performual;19265610]Yea obviously the movie is utter garbage and Cameron totally dropped the ball. Aren't you ashamed to be a part of the same species as that clown?[/QUOTE] You know, you acting pants on head retarded doesn't really work as any sort of argument.

Ask anyone who's bad both legs broken how good it feels to be able to walk again.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;19265730]Ask anyone who's bad both legs broken how good it feels to be able to walk again.[/QUOTE] Can you think of a situation in which anything remotely similar to what happened in the movie happened with a similar person? I mean it's hardly an important point, but whatever.

[QUOTE=Majache;19265799]Can you think of a situation in which anything remotely similar to what happened in the movie happened with a similar person? I mean it's hardly an important point, but whatever.[/QUOTE] Not walking for ages then finally being able to is close enough to that 1 scene.

[QUOTE=Majache;19265616]Uh, yeah it is. Actually, they're pretty much exactly like humans. I mean, that's just the Na'vi. The avatars are half almost exactly like humans and half human. [editline]02:35AM[/editline] You know, you acting pants on head retarded doesn't really work as any sort of argument.[/QUOTE] I don't understand. I was arguing with you?

Not only could he walk again, he was in the body of a 10 foot tall alien. You bet he was high!

I like the movie fine the way it is goddamnit it Its not like he can just pay another bajillion dollars and film it again, enjoy what you have

Jake Sully waited, the trees above him glowed and sparked out of the air. There were marines in the jungles. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for days. His warnings to Cernel Quaritch were not listened to, and it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway. Jake sully was a cripple for 5 years. When he was younger he saw the avatars and said to bro "I want to be in the avatars bro!" Bro said "NO! You will be kill by Na'vi's! There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the forest jungle home of the Na'vi he knew there were marines. "This is Quaritch" The radio crackered. "WE MUST DESTROY THE FORESTS" So coporate guy gotted his bulldozers and destoryed the trees. "HE'S GOING TO KILL US!" said the trees. "I will throw rock at them!" Said Jake and he threw the rocks at the bulldozers but then the cameras got broke and the coporate guy was blinded and not able to destroy. "NO! You must kill the na'vi!" Quaritch shouted. "No Cernel" Jake said "I am the na'vi!" And then Jake was a Na'vi.

[QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;19266390]I like the movie fine the way it is goddamnit it Its not like he can just pay another bajillion dollars and film it again, enjoy what you have[/QUOTE] Actually, he did make a bajillion dollars off of this.

[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;19253270]Not to mention that they would have thousands of scientists studying the local plant and animal life to see if any of it could be used for food, medicine, or who knows what else. A planet's value isn't just in the rocks underground, and it seems retarded that a corporation that had enough money to send hundreds of people that far away and set up a base like that would not consider trying to find other ways to make money off the planet.[/QUOTE] They probably sent the biologists up there as a front to convince people that "Hey! We're trying to learn about this planet as much as possible! No worries guys, everything will be juuuuust fine!" when they're really trying to enhance space commerce which, in their eye, would provide them with more income in the long-run. The Pandoran mining operation was a short-term huge income operation, which would've served to stabilize the company with the shit economy back on Earth. [QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;19257215]Saw the movie, loved it despise many stupid points there. Like the water on a floating island.[/quote] Condensation/rain. [quote]Alot of stuff was unexplained, like the floating isles, why does that goddamn thing cost so much, why does all the animals have those rastas if only smurfs use them etc.[/QUOTE] Much of what you're talking about here can be explained by observation and with a basic understanding of science/biology. [QUOTE=jcallan;19259619]Holy shit, that early draft was actually quite good. Pity it got a bit dumbed down.[/QUOTE] Indeed. He did a fairly good job with what he ultimately ended up with (at least I thought so), but this would've provided some interesting alternate scenarios. Though, I think, the whole "having an indigenous people work for you through brute force/enslavement" thing has been done before, I know I've seen it. I just can't remember the title... I know it involved a guy having to raise one of the aliens from birth, as his friend died giving birth to it. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;19265289]I don't think you can comment on this because you have never lost your legs in a war and lived in a wheel chair for years and then magically been given your legs back in an instant with no chance to mentally prepare yourself for the situation. Your points about the film have been pretty much entirely correct up to this point, but your comments about this one scene just seem immature and show a poor understanding of human emotions. [/QUOTE] Don't mind him, he thought I had no grounds to think anything about what a good movie is until I saw Alien. :downs: [QUOTE=Majache;19265799]Can you think of a situation in which anything remotely similar to what happened in the movie happened with a similar person? I mean it's hardly an important point, but whatever.[/QUOTE] That's somewhat understandable, you're one of the many who actually take being able to walk for granted.

Pochahontas BLU 3D

Saw it in 3D the other night. It wasn't the second coming of Jesus like many people make it out to be, but it was an interesting viewing experience, and I can sorta understand Majache's headaches and the whole "don't look at blurry things" shtick that strains your eyes. But overall it was still entertaining.

Why do you guys say it was unoriginal? What other movies are that much like this that make this unorginal?

It borrows elements from Ferngully, Pocahontas, and Dances With Wolves.

[QUOTE=rathat48;19271995]Why do you guys say it was unoriginal? What other movies are that much like this that make this unorginal?[/QUOTE] :downs:

[QUOTE=rathat48;19271995]Why do you guys say it was unoriginal? What other movies are that much like this that make this unorginal?[/QUOTE] You only need to go back as far as 2003 to find a film with almost exactly the same storyline (only that film was better and had interesting characters and better fight scenes).

Saw the movie last night in 3D, while it was a fucking amazing movie visually and in storyline (albeit a bit ... unoriginal) it is one of those movies that you just "Have to" see, stunning visuals, good acting, great sound. I really don't give a fuck if I get trashed about this, I liked it and that's about all that I care about. I know I am going to get it when it comes out on DVD/BLU Ray.

Anyone remember if this specific shot was in the movie? Sorry for the quality, it's from a YT video. [img]http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4428/avatarpic.png[/img]

I think it was. Why do you ask?