• PewDiePie says "What a fucking nigger" after PUBG teammate dies
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[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52669492]When you call someone an asshole, you're comparing them to an asshole, implying that they're unpleasant like one. When you call someone a nigger, you're implying that they're as good as a black person, which by your use of "nigger," implies that that isn't very good at all.[/QUOTE] Then what am I calling someone when I call them a twat, a cunt, or a minge? Am I literally comparing someone to a vag? Or am I just, y'know, calling them mean words because I don't like them? Because I, and pretty much everyone else on the internet, have the full intent of the latter. Same goes for nigger. I'm not calling someone black as an insult, I'm using a mean word as an insult because it's a mean word, nothing more to it.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669441]I think a better way to respect black people would be to not use the word nigger as a way to insult anybody.[/QUOTE] I think frankly it's fucking stupid to avoid using a word just because you don't want to upset black people. The only thing keeping nigger from losing its bite are namby pamby white guys who avoid generalizing the term by refusing to allow it to acquire new meaning. I hate this narrative that black people are such delicate flowers that one guy using nigger as an insult is enough to suppress all of them. It's not like black people avoid the word either.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669593]I'd say it's pretty objective from a general public view that those words aren't held to the same standard, though. Had Felix said any of those other words I listed, the backlash wouldn't have been even a fraction as big. This thread probably wouldn't exist. But most of those words are used in the same exact way as the n word is, and have historical value to them as well. Yet, those words are only ever really taken super seriously when used towards the audience that those words were originally made to reference. If you call a woman a bitch, slut, whore, cunt; or a homosexual a faggot, then there'd be some repercussions because those words are being used in a situation where they should be taken seriously. I don't see why race gets the upper hand here.[/QUOTE] Notably because of the history behind that word in particular and the prevalence of racial discrimination in American history. While issues of gender and sexuality have existed throughout that same period, they've always taken a backseat to race due to how visible it is and, ultimately, the longevity and intensity that it had over the others.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669666]I think frankly it's fucking stupid to avoid using a word just because you don't want to upset black people. The only thing keeping nigger from losing its bite are namby pamby white guys who avoid generalizing the term by refusing to allow it to acquire new meaning. I hate this narrative that black people are such delicate flowers that one guy using nigger as an insult is enough to suppress all of them. It's not like black people avoid the word either.[/QUOTE] I dont think theyre delicate I just have enough respect not to use racial slurs when i get upset
[QUOTE=Hinterlight;52669602]Man, TB just needs to get the fuck off Twitter. He just cannot deal with even the most minuscule amount of criticism. Makes me embarrassed for him.[/QUOTE] I love Biscuit, but Twitter (and really social media as a whole) is just so unhealthy for him. To the point that I believe he was even told by his doctor to not use social media anymore. He is just such a high-strung individual, with a very easily bruised ego and an overreactive knee-jerk response. Not inherently bad things, and they don't inherently make him a bad person, but they certainly do not mix well with a combination of being high-profile and active in social media circles. I think Biscuit's life would be a lot better off, for his own sake, if he simply stuck to making his videos. Leave the social media to someone else.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669666]I think frankly it's fucking stupid to avoid using a word just because you don't want to upset black people. The only thing keeping nigger from losing its bite are namby pamby white guys who avoid generalizing the term by refusing to allow it to acquire new meaning. I hate this narrative that black people are such delicate flowers that one guy using nigger as an insult is enough to suppress all of them. It's not like black people avoid the word either.[/QUOTE] Like I don't filter my use of the word, I've probably said it more than anyone else on the site but uhhh... you're using it a bit over-excitedly there black people find it offensive because it has real history behind it, its not really a mystery. Using it on them is as bad as it is because its shitting on their existance
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669680]I dont think theyre delicate I just have enough respect not to use racial slurs when i get upset[/QUOTE] That's your perojative, but by making a big deal of people who do use it you're just perpetuating the racial meaning to the word. Also it gives you an easy way to feel mature for doing literally nothing.
Its the same as me not calling someone a faggot with the intent to insult them, its not "sticking up for the little guy" its having respect for the weight of the word. [editline]11th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669685]Also it gives you an easy way to feel mature for doing literally nothing.[/QUOTE] what does this even mean
[QUOTE=J!NX;52669684]Like I don't filter my use of the word, I've probably said it more than anyone else on the site but uhhh... you're using it a bit over-excitedly there black people find it offensive because it has real history behind it, its not really a mystery. Using it on them is as bad as it is because its shitting on their existance[/QUOTE] I used it twice, and the only reason I did so is because saying "the n word" is such a stupid way to dance around it. The same word pops into your head, why does it matter how I go about spelling it.
The reason "nigger" will NEVER have the same sterilization and neutering of words like "fucker" and "asshole" is because of the context behind it. Anyone can be compared to a sex-crazy buffoon or a vehicle for human excrement [I]indiscriminately[/I]. There is no baggage behind these words other than their relatively taboo nature, which gives them that signature punch that cant be replicated by other similar words. These words can easily find their way into the common man's vernacular because of this. Slurs, on the other hand, like "nigger" and "faggot", not only have a history, but more importantly, are inherently discriminatory. You can not be indiscriminate when using them, because they are making clear reference to specific groups of people in use. Groups of people not defined by their behavior, but by their mere existence. When you call someone a faggot or a nigger as the worst insult you can think of, you imply that the worst possible thing you can make reference to is the fact that they're black or gay.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669526]Why do racial slurs seem to have so much more baggage than sexist or homophobic slurs? Whore, slut, bitch, cunt, and faggot are not held to nearly as high of a pedestal as the n word is. But being a woman, or being gay, can be helped about as much as being a race can be.[/QUOTE] Idk, I think LGBT slurs are seen as up there, too, as words people get upset if you say. As for slurs aimed at women, women don't face [I]nearly[/I] as harsh discrimination in life as a queer person or a person of color, so it has a lot less baggage. I do feel that "nigger" has more weight that "faggot," however, and I just chalk that up to arbitrary, imo. Like how "cunt" is seen a lot worse than "bitch," or "slut."
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669685]That's your perojative, but by making a big deal of people who do use it you're just perpetuating the racial meaning to the word. Also it gives you an easy way to feel mature for doing literally nothing.[/QUOTE] The reason people treat it as a racist word is because its a racist word There is no other meaning behind it, it's simply a word with racial meaning so yeah no shit people will perpetuate that. Obviously context still counts.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669686]Its the same as me not calling someone a faggot with the intent to insult them, its not "sticking up for the little guy" its having respect for the weight of the word. [editline]11th September 2017[/editline] what does this even mean[/QUOTE] People in this thread keep insisting how mature they are for not using a word. Don't get me wrong I think swearing like a sailor all the time is a bit much, but looking down on them is stupid. When I think of someone as mature I imagine having a job or kids, not "I watch my language very closely to make sure no one is offended". It just rubs me the wrong way, it feels disingenuous.
Not sure why people think saying nigger over and over again will give it new meaning It will always have a history tied to it and youre pretty naive to think otherwise
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;52669651]Then what am I calling someone when I call them a twat, a cunt, or a minge? Am I literally comparing someone to a vag? Or am I just, y'know, calling them mean words because I don't like them? Because I, and pretty much everyone else on the internet, have the full intent of the latter. Same goes for nigger. I'm not calling someone black as an insult, I'm using a mean word as an insult because it's a mean word, nothing more to it.[/QUOTE] They're insults because that's the implication. They're as pleasant as a cunt, which when talking to someone, isn't very pleasant. [I]Why[/i] has it become a bad word, what's insulting about it? Is it just arbitrarily insulting? No, it's implying they're being unpleasant; like a cunt. Also "cunt" is [I]far[/I] less loaded with far less baggage than "nigger."
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669696]People in this thread keep insisting how mature they are for not using a word. Don't get me wrong I think swearing like a sailor all the time is a bit much, but looking down on them is stupid. When I think of someone as mature I imagine having a job or kids, not "I watch my language very closely to make sure no one is offended". It just rubs me the wrong way, it feels disingenuous.[/QUOTE] Man im literally from a sailing town and curse like one too its a bit different than just saying shit and fuck all the time
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52669676]Notably because of the history behind that word in particular and the prevalence of racial discrimination in American history. While issues of gender and sexuality have existed throughout that same period, they've always taken a backseat to race due to how visible it is and, ultimately, the longevity and intensity that it had over the others.[/QUOTE] I can understand that, but that's definitely a bad thing. People are people, all discrimination is bad. Black people shouldn't get priority protection over women, gays, transgenders, and mentality disabled people. If we are against the n word, we should be equally against cunt, bitch, whore, slut, faggot, tranny, retard, etc. But we're not. And can you imagine just how much of a fucking exhausting it'd be if we were? I'm completely against all of these words if they are used against the people they are supposed to represent. But if someone does something completely stupid and they don't have a diagnosed mental deficiency, then I'll happily call them a retard. If someone cuts me off and almost causes me to get in an accident, I should be able to call them a faggot. If a customer is irrationally rude to me, I should be able to call them a cunt (not publicly of course as I don't want to lose my job.) These are all terms that represent people who have been discriminated against for as long as humanity has been around. I understand racism is a more widely open issue, but that doesn't mean the n word is anymore special than the others.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669698]Not sure why people think saying nigger over and over again will give it new meaning It will always have a history tied to it and youre pretty naive to think otherwise[/QUOTE] if I post nigger 5000 times in a fast thread will it stop being racist? :thinking:
I dont even see people boasting about how mature they are either
Man this whole slur situation is pretty [B]retarded[/B] huh :buddy:
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669698]Not sure why people think saying nigger over and over again will give it new meaning It will always have a history tied to it and youre pretty naive to think otherwise[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reclaimed_words[/url] Yeah cause history is static right?
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669696]People in this thread keep insisting how mature they are for not using a word. Don't get me wrong I think swearing like a sailor all the time is a bit much, but looking down on them is stupid. When I think of someone as mature I imagine having a job or kids, not "I watch my language very closely to make sure no one is offended". It just rubs me the wrong way, it feels disingenuous.[/QUOTE] We're not insisting on how "mature" we are. This is just a lazy reframing of the whole "virtue signalling" attack of character. You're implying that our pejorative in not saying slurs is not that we want to respect other's feelings, but rather that we just want other people to think that we're "mature" for doing so. There is literally no basis or real reason for calling someone dishonest in this fashion without evident cause for doing so.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669707][url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reclaimed_words[/url] Yeah cause history is static right?[/QUOTE] Its almost like different words change meaning over time because of different reasons Remember that "Fag" and "faggot" and "Gay" weren't originally homosexual related. Then Faggot became an insult... then it stopped being one language isn't nearly as simple as you think it is. It's an unbelievably complicated thing with an extremely long list of words that each individually have an extremely long history behind them. You can't simply defeat a racial slur with the mentality of 'stop taking it so seriously'
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669666]I think frankly it's fucking stupid to avoid using a word just because you don't want to upset black people. The only thing keeping nigger from losing its bite are namby pamby white guys who avoid generalizing the term by refusing to allow it to acquire new meaning. I hate this narrative that black people are such delicate flowers that one guy using nigger as an insult is enough to suppress all of them. It's not like black people avoid the word either.[/QUOTE] Are there plenty of black people that don't care? Sure. But I'm also seeing black people on my own Facebook feed upset about Pewdiepie saying this, and thinking he's more of a shithead for it. Should we ignore them, tell them to suck it up, and keep saying "nigger" however we feel like? Also what's with "it's dumb you should avoid using a word because you don't want to upset black people," because Christ. That's the exact reason you shouldn't say a slur, because it can be damn offensive to the people under the slur. Like did you mis-phrase your thoughts, or are you essentially saying "I don't care if they're offended, I'll say what I want?" [QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669666]It's not like black people avoid the word either.[/QUOTE] Please tell me you didn't just say "black people say it, too, though" as an argument, because that's what it sounds like.
"Individually we are weak, like a single twig. But as a bundle we form a mighty [B]Faggot[/B]" -Martin Prince
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669702]I can understand that, but that's definitely a bad thing. People are people, all discrimination is bad. Black people shouldn't get priority protection over women, gays, transgenders, and mentality disabled people. If we are against the n word, we should be equally against cunt, bitch, whore, slut, faggot, tranny, retard, etc. But we're not. And can you imagine just how much of a fucking exhausting it'd be if we were? I'm completely against all of these words if they are used against the people they are supposed to represent. But if someone does something completely stupid and they don't have a diagnosed mental deficiency, then I'll happily call them a retard. If someone cuts me off and almost causes me to get in an accident, I should be able to call them a faggot. If a customer is irrationally rude to me, I should be able to call them a cunt (not publicly of course as I don't want to lose my job.) These are all terms that represent people who have been discriminated against for as long as humanity has been around. I understand racism is a more widely open issue, but that doesn't mean the n word is anymore special than the others.[/QUOTE] But they're not getting any special treatment. The result of the bias towards racial slurs over other slurs is tied to an accurate bias within the discrimination of racial minorities in US history. Black people were subject to much worse than any of those other groups, and their treatment was often accompanied by the use of the slurs that you're fruitlessly trying to divorce meaning from. Pretending that this history does not exist wont actually get rid of it. And like I said earlier, it's difficult for me to believe that you actually have a real interest in avoiding the harmful use of these words when the use of them is inherently harmful in the first place. Slurs are discriminatory by nature. There is literally no way to get around that.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669707][url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reclaimed_words[/url] Yeah cause history is static right?[/QUOTE] Using nigger as a casual insult =/= reclaimed words. Reclaimed words have become non-insults. I've a friend who's a self-proclaimed "butch dyke." "Queer" has become it's own identifying words. Those terms have lot all relevancy as insults, and people seldom use them as such. And when they do, it feels out of place. And it [I]still[/I] doesn't mean that people are okay with hearing them used as insults, either. So, "nigger" might be a reclaimed word among black people themselves, but if you're using as an insult of any kind, it's entirely different.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52669715] Please tell me you didn't just say "black people say it, too, though" as an argument, because that's what it sounds like.[/QUOTE] Having now just noticed that I wonder how much DinoJesus has personally dealt with racism/homophobia. Even faggot, a very neutral term for a lot of the gay community, is the homosexual equivalent of 'nig' to many The reason black people hate that word is because many of them get it fucking screamed in their face over years of abuse. Really when you get verbally abused no shit certain words are going to piss you off.
Like I've never seen such a [I]fierce[/I] attachment to a slur or an insult. You have people saying "nigger," and other people saying "hey, some people might get upset hearing that, how about you stop that?" And the response is a furious "I don't care if they get upset, let me say nigger all I want, [I]I don't think it means anything.[/I]"
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52669666]I think frankly it's fucking stupid to avoid using a word just because you don't want to upset black people. The only thing keeping nigger from losing its bite are namby pamby white guys who avoid generalizing the term by [B]refusing to allow it to acquire new meaning[/B]. I hate this narrative that black people are such delicate flowers that one guy using nigger as an insult is enough to suppress all of them. It's not like black people avoid the word either.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is that you're mad the word is a racial slur and you want to change its meaning. What's your proposition? It better be good, it has to convince everyone else else that the world doesn't actually mean what it always meant, and that its history of being used to violently dehumanise people never happened, and that race doesn't matter when it comes to a racial slur. Good luck!
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