PewDiePie says "What a fucking nigger" after PUBG teammate dies
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Fucking christ if I have to see one more "youtuber said a bad word let's have a drama even though there was no one for it to be directed at" headline. No one would even go on about it if he was like idubbz and didn't care but because he went to apologize like Maximillian the vultures start circling.
Oh sorry that initial slur was offensive to Christians I better go flagellate myself.
[QUOTE=Streecer;52670304]word still means something[/QUOTE]
Of course it does but so does faggot, so does bitch. Those words don't refer to gays (homophobia still happens) and women (sexism still happens) anymore, they're generic insults aimed at people the speaker doesn't like. If words had this eternal power and the wounds they once inflicted never healed then words like bastard would still have us thinking about birth origins instead of being analogous with asshole.
I'm not saying give the word a free pass, I'm just saying the intent is where the hate and power lies, not the word itself. If pewdiepie was making some edgy tweet specifically towards any black person, directly calling them a nigger, then I'd want his head on a spike too.
[QUOTE=Streecer;52670304]Nigger is a word, that for hundreds of years, has been used to target black people around the world. It is a purely negative word outside of very specific contexts. No, it is not suddenly going to become "not racist" because some fucking gaming YouTubers start tossing it around a lot. To say as such is to ignore how language works. Language is not that thing where you say a word a lot and it loses meaning in your own head, like some people in this thread are insisting. And to be reductive enough to say that "no word has an inherent meaning really," isn't really a convincing argument, otherwise you wouldn't be able to read this.
For many people it is still a symbol of oppression, because it is still used. Nigger is not outdated, it isn't cute and quaint to bust it out with your friends because you died in a game. It's still used by people who believe that black people shouldn't have the same rights as everybody else, who celebrate and share articles when black people are killed by police. To people it is still as raw, and as hurtful as it always has been.
When I die in a game the first thing I think isn't "I wish I had a racial slur to express my anger." There are a lot of other words I could use. And I'm not hopping on the PDP is a racist thing, but his usage of it here at the very least shows a lack of respect to how big a deal nigger still is to a lot of people. Because to them it's an encapsulation of hundreds of years of discrimination, slavery, and displacement. A word designed specifically to deride and target them. And it hasn't suddenly lost it's meaning in the past few years as far as I'm aware.[/QUOTE]
his immediate flustered reaction to what he said and apology within seconds demonstrates the opposite of what you claim about him. don't be an idiot.
[QUOTE=Viper_;52670312]Fucking christ if I have to see one more "youtuber said a bad word let's have a drama even though there was no one for it to be directed at" headline. No one would even go on about it if he was like idubbz and didn't care but because he went to apologize like Maximillian the vultures start circling.
Oh sorry that initial slur was offensive to Christians I better go flagellate myself.[/QUOTE]
The whole ninja dagger situation lasted for a month or more, so many people were saying that in various twitch channels, it was a disaster although not as bad as this one
I'm just confused why a multi-millionaire needs defending for their public image? Why should some writer poorly justifying playing a stylish game reminiscent of metal slug poorly deserve heavy artillery compared to someone besmirching their own identity in a market based on it? I just don't see the logic in it but then again I'm not much of a fan of Felix nor those akin to him as it has been for nearly half a decade.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52669584]Yo TB what the fuck.
[media]https://twitter.com/leonardjfrench/status/907100541129576450[/media][/QUOTE]
pretty pathetic that a person whose entire career and popularity is founded on criticism, falls to pieces and retreats into their shell when presented with criticism
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52670186]Not really, just hearing other people use it, it'll become part of your vocabulary. I know several people who don't ever use it themselves but have slipped it out in a heat of the moment simply because its a thing that exists and they know about it. It literally goes no further than that. Its something a shitload of people do. It doesn't mean he's walking around going, "Nigger nigger nigger nigger, nigger niggers, niggery niggers."
In fact, if you've ever played basically any multiplayer game ever you've likely been exposed to it at least once if not many, many times by many different people. Doesn't mean you're going to go around saying it all the time. It means that in the right conditions, such as a multiplayer game during a moment of frustration, you'll fall back to something related to that, a thing other people say or do in multiplayer games during a moment of frustration. Just by being around it when others do it you're being trained to do it too. Hell, I guarantee there are people in this thread, disparaging him for it, who have let it slip without even realizing it themselves. People do it all the time, not specifically with the word "nigger", but with any thing really.[/QUOTE]
I can only speak for myself here, but slurs (as opposed to swearing) get on my nerves when I hear them in a derogatory/negative context, so I never use them this way.
I don't mind their use in the reclaimed context that Duck M. explained on the last page, but I think that's easily far enough removed not to automatically spill over into the other context.
If someone picks up slurs into casual disparaging use then it's, at least in my opinion, pretty safe to assume that that person at least tolerates that. I don't think that's something that should be defended.
(I'm aware this is different from the point I made before. Regarding PewDiePie I maintain that he probably overuses it considering the humour he engages in, but this reply here is to your more general statement.)
I don't get the claim that the n-word is losing its racist past. It was a big issue when Bill Maher said it on his show and Ice Cube criticised him the week after. People getting upset at Pewds saying it isn't an isolated incident.
I can't believe some of you actually think only white people get upset at the word Nigger, that's pure ignorance right there, if you really think going around calling people niggers is going to diminish anything, I dare you to have some balls and record yourself going around various places in the US, from New York to Detroit, calling everyone "Nigger" and "Faggot" to see if they stop caring about it, otherwise, you're just talking BS.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;52670411]I can't believe some of you actually think only white people get upset at the word Nigger, that's pure ignorance right there, if you really think going around calling people niggers is going to diminish anything, I dare you to have some balls and record yourself going around various places in the US, from New York to Detroit, calling everyone "Nigger" and "Faggot" to see if they stop caring about it, otherwise, you're just talking BS.[/QUOTE]
I think if someone did that, literally went city to city, and put some "powerful, emotional" music behind it, they'd be called a modern day hero for "breaking down the barriers".
Also a martyr, bc that motherfucker's gonna get shot lol.
Q: Why is it such a big deal? / Why are people talking about this so much?
A: Imagine if Bradd Pitt said "nigger" on stage then quickly apologized.
When you're big enough, different standards get forced on you. Not fair? Probably. Consistent? Mostly.
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;52667981]Maybe I just hang out on the wrong corners of the internet but the people I see who use the word "nigger" as an insult also share memes about greedy jews and black people going "sheeeeeeeeeeit" and stealing things. They'll all say they're just jokes and then turn around and act like the layer of irony that they're using makes what they're doing somehow not racist.
It's also not really the choice of individuals whether a word has its connotation or not, it's a community's as a whole. In today's society words like "nigger" and "kike" still have that stigma attached to them, and it'll only lose that stigma after it falls out of use or is replaced by something else. Nobody's gonna care if you call a dude a jiggaboo because it's archaic, but people still throw around "nigger" and even "faggot" as an insult towards blacks and gays. You, as a common individual don't really have a say in what people should or should not commonly find insulting because there's a shit ton of people out there who have the opposite vote that you do.[/QUOTE]
The point isn't that people shouldn't find it insulting, the point is people shouldn't find the mere usage of the word in a completely different context insulting.
As an autistic gay faggot, I find the very concept of taking a word, stripping all context and simply saying any usage of the word ever is always wrong, extremely retarded.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;52670398]I don't get the claim that the n-word is losing its racist past. It was a big issue when Bill Maher said it on his show and Ice Cube criticised him the week after. People getting upset at Pewds saying it isn't an isolated incident.[/QUOTE]
And its stupid every time
Regardless of your opinion on the word, the connotations aren't up for dispute, and using it on a livestream is super unprofessional.
Oh boy here we go.
I would like to preface there are social circles in America where the N word (at least with the -a suffix) is casually used in conversation by all races. It's hard to understand if you've never seen it but you have to understand it exists. My only validation for this is impossible to source (in a timely manner) but I've heard this discussed on hip-hop programs like Hot97 and Everyday Struggle. What I mean is, I've proven at least to myself that my town isn't the only place like this.
Anecdotal example, I went to a cosmetology school and overheard a story. One my friends was one of those white people in which for some reason nigga is the word you use to describe male (Similar to the word bloke in this context). Another student walked in and she was kind of prissy, from a more well-to-do town and just kind of 'high-society' in general vibe. She walked in and heard the previous student telling her story. (which ironically was about her friend had been racially harassed and how upset it made her) The second girl put her hand to her chest and gasped and said "Oh my!" when he she heard nigga being used casually. Everyone in the room (including like 4 black women) just turned and gave her the "bitch what?" look. First girl went back to her story and it happened again, and again. She kept having a moment every time she heard it and people were getting visibly annoyed with her.
The sentiment being: Look lady, you're in a mostly black cosmetology school in a small town where black people aren't a minority. This girl has been using this word in rooms full of black people for like 17 years and this is probably the first time anyone has said anything. You don't get to decide what other people find offensive and our community has, for some weird reason, decided that nigga = dude. I know [I]too[/I] many white people who describe people only with that word. Its honestly kinda weird how casual it is to be talk like "you should meet my coworker" "Oh is he a nigga?" and literally mean "is it a man or a woman?"
This might seem like a random thing to bring up but I'm going somewhere with this. See, this is widely, widely accepted practice in some places. However, it's not what happened with pewds here. I disagree with the sentiment that it "proves racism." I think it proves that at some point in his life he used that word as irony. I think you could argue that him using that word as a joke is harmful, but I don't think it inherently proves any prejiduce. With that said, I can move on to my point:
What I'm getting at is that if you wanna say "Well he's breaking the word down and making it..." no he's not. He said it once and America is doing that already without his help. I'm not arguing the word has no meaning anymore but I'll say this as my last anecdote:
I rap and so does my best friend. He gives me shit all the time for not wanting to say it. I don't feel it should be in my music so I stick my ground. I won't say it in my music. He gets so mad! He's like "Dude fuck off just fucking say it" as if I'm somehow offending him by caring so much about a trivial word. [B]This is why I felt the need to type up this whole post. I just wanted to share my perspective so people could see 1. That it's normal in some parts of the world for nobody to care about the skin color of who uses that word and 2. I, as an example, regularly offend people by refusing to say it. If you are anti-PC culture, just remember that some black people are too. Not every black person inherently over-reacts. The majority of people only care about serious struggles. If you see someone furious about the N word regardless of race they're[I] likely[/I] not often affected by actual racism in their lives and are looking for an excuse to be angry.[/B]
[QUOTE=Hatley;52670598]Regardless of your opinion on the word, the connotations aren't up for dispute, and using it on a livestream is super unprofessional.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I think he shouldn't have said the word on stream, but at the same time getting his content falsely taken down is too heavy handed as a punishment.
Though that depends if the firewatch dev actually want to go that route.
People are legit mad for this, and it makes me lol hard.
Seriously, find some meaning in your life instead of attacking/defending personas over Internet about what they said. (context matters)
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52670398]I don't get the claim that the n-word is losing its racist past. It was a big issue when Bill Maher said it on his show and Ice Cube criticised him the week after. People getting upset at Pewds saying it isn't an isolated incident.[/QUOTE]
Black culture has adopted the word and changed it to be THEIR word. That's the key difference with it today. They now own the word.
There's a huge difference between a white person saying it with a hard R and a black man saying it with the a.
That's not saying all black people like the word, many still don't. But a lot have embraced the word as a symbol of change. Now it belongs to the black and the white fear saying it
Some people are saying "When you say nigger, you're comparing them to a black person". That's only true based on how the listener interprets it. If you only ever hear the word in racist cotexts, that's what you'll think. If you often hear the word not referring to black people, you don't think that.
Language isn't a constant that is interpreted exactly the same by everyone. It's clear he wasn't comparing him to a black person.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will fucking kill me.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52670375]pretty pathetic that a person whose entire career and popularity is founded on criticism, falls to pieces and retreats into their shell when presented with criticism[/QUOTE]someone provided context(?)
[media]https://twitter.com/MageRheon/status/907161642550558720[/media]
probably a joke but regardless it's pretty stupid if that's the reason
Too soon?
[video=youtube;jpyOcPU-o8k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpyOcPU-o8k[/video]
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;52670849]someone provided context(?)
[media]https://twitter.com/MageRheon/status/907161642550558720[/media]
probably a joke but regardless it's pretty stupid if that's the reason[/QUOTE]
It's not exactly an overstatement on a purely factual level (maybe the bit about FoV sliders), but as far as I could tell everyone involved in that situation behaved a bit like an idiot.
Someone jokingly asked that question at a panel TotalBiscuit was on, who took it as transphobic and (iirc) to social media. The rest went about as you could expect.
I agree, context absolutely matters. If a white guy says nigger as the worst insult he can think of because he's tilting in a game, he looks like an edgy scumbag at best.
Given the topic, now I have no idea why I had this in my recommended, but...
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_c3RFccrY[/media]
Only does someone saying nigger casually garner 11 pages of back and forth and e-celeb twitter explosions, when real world events that actually matter get next to no attention. But it's way too cliche and edgy to say this generation is fucked.
Oh no someone said noises out of their mouth that offended me :(
Instead of arguing whether or not your particular usage of offensive words is actually offensive, maybe you could just use different words that aren't laced with derogatory connotations to begin with.
Especially those of you who don't know shit about being in marginalized groups tbh
edit: keep the outrage coming i actually grow stronger on the tears of salty kids who think its totally unfair that black people have an entire vernacular that's unavailable to them. Truly, you're the real oppressed ones. Keep fighting for true justice, middle class suburbanites!
[QUOTE=Aman;52671079]Only does someone saying nigger casually garner 11 pages of back and forth and e-celeb twitter explosions, when real world events that actually matter get next to no attention. But it's way too cliche and edgy to say this generation is fucked.
Oh no someone said noises out of their mouth that offended me :([/QUOTE]
Thank you for this insightful comment on this discussion you clearly don't care about but do care enough about to let us know that we shouldn't care about.
[QUOTE=Aman;52671079]Only does someone saying nigger casually garner 11 pages of back and forth and e-celeb twitter explosions, when real world events that actually matter get next to no attention. But it's way too cliche and edgy to say this generation is fucked.
Oh no someone said noises out of their mouth that offended me :([/QUOTE]
"Hahaha how is language real hahaha its just noises out of a mouth hahaha"
[QUOTE=Aman;52671079]Only does someone saying nigger casually garner 11 pages of back and forth and twitter explosions, when real world events that actually matter get next to no attention.
Oh no someone said noises out of their mouth that offended me :(
Biggest who gives a shit ever.[/QUOTE]
"Stop reacting to what people say because words have actually no meanings and language doesn't exist lol." Nice hot take.
[QUOTE=01271;52670477]Q: Why is it such a big deal? / Why are people talking about this so much?
A: Imagine if Bradd Pitt said "nigger" on stage then quickly apologized.
When you're big enough, different standards get forced on you. Not fair? Probably. Consistent? Mostly.[/QUOTE]
This would hold a modicum of ground if Pewdipie hadn't found himself in the center of a smear campaign in the past for equally dumb reasons.
If anything, this is even more moronic than the whole nazi shit, because it's one word in a stream. It's people grasping at straws and scrutinizing some guy hoping something even remotely out of the ordinary happens so they can cash in one the sudden outburst of criticism.
If Brad Pitt said nigger after something odd happened to him in a brief lapse of concentration where he forgets he's being recorded, I wouldn't be mad at him and anyone who does get mad at him would be equally fucking stupid as the people getting mad at Pewdiepie.
It's also hard to take the consistency argument seriously when a large part of why Nigger as a slur is the subject of so much controversy is because a part of the population [I]is[/I] allowed to say it no problem and another part of the population [I]isn't[/I] to the point of borderline witch hunts, and now those same people are trying to extend this artificial boundary bullshit to countries outside of the US, where the boundaries make even less sense.
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