• PewDiePie says "What a fucking nigger" after PUBG teammate dies
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Oh my lord, the whole "black people are allowed to say a reclaimed slur against them but white people arent, where is the justice?" argument
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52671095]Instead of arguing whether or not your particular usage of offensive words is actually offensive, maybe you could just use different words that aren't laced with derogatory connotations to begin with. Especially those of you who don't know shit about being in marginalized groups tbh[/QUOTE] Once again context matters and you can't toss universal rules at something like this. Whether you like it or not Twitch is often a very casual environment and people don't go streaming there with a legal agent standing behind the camera ready to blip bad words, a list of guidelines and words to avoid. This means a slip-up like this one is not only understandable but something to expect. Like yeah sure as a basic rule of decency you probably shouldn't be using rude words to refer to people around you, because [I]that's rude[/I], but it doesn't mean those words are 100% off limit all the time, and it doesn't mean someone who would be offended by being referred to directly with a slur should suddenly feel offended at something clearly not directed at them. Oh and if w're going to be throwing rando assumptions like "none of you know shit about oppression lol" I'm going to go out on a limb and toss my own assumption in here and claim that most people here are white, haven't been called a nigger once in their life and probably have used the term at least once. [QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52671182]Oh my lord, the whole "black people are allowed to say a reclaimed slur against them but white people arent, where is the justice?" argument[/QUOTE] Well the argument seemingly worked because instead of finding anything productive to say about it you just resorted to pointing out the argument I've used with no other information in your post. Good work, you did it. And the point of mentioning that is less to make a point about how white people should be able to say the word cause it's only fair, and more to point out that the very notion of the Nigger situation being "consistent" is intrinsically wrong. Consistency would mean [I]no one could say it[/I] or [I]everyone could say it[/I]. But in practice, the weird social rule that's been built in the US (and then for some fucking reason exported worldwide because why give a fuck about context or linguistics right guys) [I]is[/I] inconsistent, even purposefully so - people make a point very frequently about why black people can say it and white people can't, because they want the rule to remain in practice.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52671164]This would hold a modicum of ground if Pewdipie hadn't found himself in the center of a smear campaign in the past for equally dumb reasons. If anything, this is even more moronic than the whole nazi shit, because it's one word in a stream. It's people grasping at straws and scrutinizing some guy hoping something even remotely out of the ordinary happens so they can cash in one the sudden outburst of criticism. If Brad Pitt said nigger after something odd happened to him in a brief lapse of concentration where he forgets he's being recorded, I wouldn't be mad at him and anyone who does get mad at him would be equally fucking stupid as the people getting mad at Pewdiepie. It's also hard to take the consistency argument seriously when a large part of why Nigger as a slur is the subject of so much controversy is because a part of the population [I]is[/I] allowed to say it no problem and another part of the population [I]isn't[/I] to the point of borderline witch hunts, and now those same people are trying to extend this artificial boundary bullshit to countries outside of the US, where the boundaries make even less sense.[/QUOTE] Really? Nigger is only as controversial as it is because black people are the only ones allowed to say it?? Really??? You sure there arent any other reasons???
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52671194]Really? Nigger is only as controversial as it is because black people are the only ones allowed to say it?? Really??? You sure there arent any other reasons???[/QUOTE] I said it's a large part of the problem, and I'm not wrong. A large part does not imply majority or exclusivity. It just means it's a large part.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52671206]I said it's a large part of the problem, and I'm not wrong.[/QUOTE] Sure, black people being the only ones allowed to say it is the large part of it being controversial. Racism? Slavery? What's that?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52671209]Sure, black people being the only ones allowed to say it is the large part of it being controversial. Racism? Slavery? What's that?[/QUOTE] Of course a history of slavery and often legally enforced racism constitutes the majority of the reason why the word is a slur to begin with but that does not mean there aren't other important reasons why it [I]still is a slur[/I]. Words don't magically sustain their meaning because words don't have any intrinsic meaning. There are many different social and historical factors which allow these words to maintain their current definition, impact and taboo nature in a given environment. What used to be a word used exclusively by whites to refer to blacks in a demeaning fashion was reappropriated by black minorities (notably in a form more reminiscent of their vernacular) which created a different dynamic where the word actively began to incite two very different reactions based on the auditor and the speaker. In fact the spike in popularity of genres such as rap and hip hop outside of the minorities which created them have lead to trends pushing this inconsistency further into the sidelines, although it is still massively present and has been the subject of countless works of social commentary over time, lots of which critical of the dishonest or potentially damaging nature of this dynamic. This is an observable thing which sociologists, linguists and historians have been following for a very long time and it's absurd, incoherent and extremely intellectually dishonest to claim there's an easy answer to the whole equation. A word doesn't become this violently taboo without a multitude of social/historical factors which allowed it to reach that level and stay there. There's a reason why different groups have expressed doubts or have frequently warned that using euphemisms such as N-Word actually only serves to strengthen the negative nature of the word, something no one should strive for.
[media]http://www.twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/907260920551936001[/media] [media]http://www.twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/907261072033423363[/media] [media]http://www.twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/907261452423188480[/media] Does anyone know who he is talking about? I really hope it isn't Leonard French.
This is only going to give birth to a bunch of conspiracy theories.
In the end, context is everything.
[QUOTE=Fangz;52671253] Does anyone know who he is talking about? I really hope it isn't Leonard French.[/QUOTE] I wouldnt imagine it'd be him, as far as i know they've never really interacted and live on opposite ends of the United States (TB I believe in California, Leonard in Pennsylvania).
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52671274]I wouldnt imagine it'd be him, as far as i know they've never really interacted and live on opposite ends of the United States (TB I believe in California, Leonard in Pennsylvania).[/QUOTE] Totalbiscuit is South Carolina, not California.
[QUOTE=Fangz;52671253] [media]http://www.twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/907261452423188480[/media] Does anyone know who he is talking about? I really hope it isn't Leonard French.[/QUOTE] Wow, he got attacked by a knife?! I hope he is alright! Kinda off topic though, because if this is about leonard french statement then I really don't see how disagreeing with him on twitter would be that big of a deal, even more when it comes to something he just asked somebody else about. Total idiot though, many times he has been advised not to go on twitter/online because he has a thin eggshell of a skin but yet he still does it for some reason
[QUOTE=Fangz;52671253][...] Does anyone know who he is talking about? I really hope it isn't Leonard French.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://archive.is/EkoB5"][media]https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/907108495044030464[/media][/URL] [...] I highly doubt that's whom he's talking about.
[QUOTE=Fangz;52671284]Totalbiscuit is South Carolina, not California.[/QUOTE] Oh. Did he at one point? For some reason i remember him being there.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52671164]This would hold a modicum of ground if Pewdipie hadn't found himself in the center of a smear campaign in the past for equally dumb reasons. If anything, this is even more moronic than the whole nazi shit, because it's one word in a stream. It's people grasping at straws and scrutinizing some guy hoping something even remotely out of the ordinary happens so they can cash in one the sudden outburst of criticism. If Brad Pitt said nigger after something odd happened to him in a brief lapse of concentration where he forgets he's being recorded, I wouldn't be mad at him and anyone who does get mad at him would be equally fucking stupid as the people getting mad at Pewdiepie. It's also hard to take the consistency argument seriously when a large part of why Nigger as a slur is the subject of so much controversy is because a part of the population [I]is[/I] allowed to say it no problem and another part of the population [I]isn't[/I] to the point of borderline witch hunts, and now those same people are trying to extend this artificial boundary bullshit to countries outside of the US, where the boundaries make even less sense.[/QUOTE] I don't know what world you live in if you think Brad Pitt saying that word wouldn't be a scandal.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52671289]I don't know what world you live in if you think Brad Pitt saying that word wouldn't be a scandal.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Ganerumo in that post is saying that black people are allowed to say it, not that Pitt is.
Talk about so much unnecessary focus, emotions, and outrage over a guy blurbing out nigger in a video game. TB should just get off the ride and take a break.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52671310]if this is about french correcting him then hes being such a fucking massive drama whore at this point its insane[/QUOTE] whatever its about he's being a huge drama whore about it, all his tweets are gonna do is just stir up shit, they didn't expand on his tirade at all lmao
All this does is maintain the n word as a racial epithet, making sure that it can still hurt people
i clapped i clapped when he said bad word
Why is this a big deal
[QUOTE=General;52671468]Why is this a big deal[/QUOTE] Words have history and meaning. People of all backgrounds are free to use words and people are free to respond to uses of words. People respond to those who hold notoriety. It's akin to chemistry in terms of how in depth conflicts can go.
I wish I was famous so I can have people talk about me for calling people who use sexbots robosexuals.
[QUOTE=dx9er;52670249]Nice job falling in the bait. Or did I fall in a double bait?[/QUOTE] His first tweet was questionable because of what he replied to, but if he is being serious with this I have no words.
Racial slurs aren't so complicated; you might call your buddy a dickweed as a joke, but unless you're funny, you wouldn't try the same with a stranger. Same stuff. If you want to use these words publicly, you either do it 'right' or deal with the controversy. Not everyone agrees with each other, but everyone has the right to voice their opinion.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52671575]Racial slurs aren't that complicated; you might call your buddy a dickweed as a joke, but unless you're funny, you wouldn't try the same with a stranger. If you want use these words publicly, you either do it right or deal with the controversy. People have different views, [B]but everyone has the right to voice theirs.[/B][/QUOTE] Until some fuckwit decides to impede on your legally protected job because he thinks his views must hold [I]extra weight[/I] so he starts abusing the DMCA system to bring you down.
[QUOTE=MoopsiePook;52671496]I wish I was famous so I can have people talk about me for calling people who use sexbots robosexuals.[/QUOTE] I've already got a slur for it too, "bots." Much like a bloatfly infesting an animal, a bot infests society with their unholy matrimony to creatures who cannot love you back. You cretins.
[QUOTE=MoopsiePook;52671602]I've already got a slur for it too, "bots." Much like a bloatfly infesting an animal, a bot infests society with their unholy matrimony to creatures who cannot love you back. You cretins.[/QUOTE] at my old job we started saying "robit" like futurama, but as a slur. Them rob'ts I yell ya! Automating all our damn jobs!
I think in order to understand Pewdiepie's attitude dating from before the WSJ shit and why he continued doing the same things it's important to see this. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyGI1uHyyws[/media] He's an entertainer, so his work is still somewhat dissociated from his personality, even if he decided to open up more and be far more honest. You can criticize him for his work and not find his jokes funny, something which this plenty of people on this forum have done for a very long time, but the core of the issue is that Pewdiepie frequently found himself at the center of very personal attacks from people who failed to do that basic dissociation between the man and his work - that's how we got WSJ claiming he was a nazi, from a joke about the holocaust. And comes down to it, Pewdiepie's motto for a while now has been honesty - so if you're scared that impressionable teenagers are going to take example off of him, it's better they learn to be honest and have fun being themselves than learn to fake a zany persona to try and impress others around them at the cost of their own well-being and self-esteem.
Fuck being myself. Why the hell should I be me when I could just be a black Danny Devito?
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