PewDiePie says "What a fucking nigger" after PUBG teammate dies
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[QUOTE=Bernie Buddy;52685891]
You don't have any idea what a "heated moment" is.
It comes out of nowhere, you say things you would never say otherwise, and you regret it after you realize what happened.[/QUOTE]
Well, about the 'heated moment' thing, maybe he try to not get so agitated and into the game, or stop playing the game if he feels himself getting too angry? Maybe he could try some anger management? I get that heated moments can result in behaviour that doesn't fully represent you, but don't act like it was some unavoidable thing, and that it was unavoidable that he use that particular slur.
[quote]You mean, the ability to recognize that this word, that pretty much the whole of society (including you) agrees is both "a bad word" and "something that people call people", is racist?
Having basic interpretation skills means he's racist?[/quote]
Now you're just being obtuse. I never said that [I]recognising the fucking word[/I] is being racist. If you know that the word is racist and offensive to people, and you go ahead and use it, you're either so stupid as to not understand that you're using a word that will hurt people of a certain race, or you don't care about their feelings and are otherwise racist.
[QUOTE=Carlito;52685916] If you know that the word is racist and offensive to people, and you go ahead and use it, you're either so stupid as to not understand that you're using a word that will hurt people of a certain race, or you don't care about their feelings and are otherwise racist.[/QUOTE]
Or, perhaps, people are more complicated than "either he's an idiot or a racist".
Maybe, as he himself said, it was a genuine fuck up.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52685926]Or, perhaps, people are more complicated than "either he's an idiot or a racist".
Maybe, as he himself said, it was a genuine fuck up.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was a genuine fuck up [I]because[/I] it was racist. It's good that he did apologise and I am hopeful that he sees this incident as a point where he can actively change his behaviour.
[QUOTE=Carlito;52685939]Yeah, it was a genuine fuck up [I]because[/I] it was racist. It's good that he did apologise and I am hopeful that he sees this incident as a point where he can actively change his behaviour.[/QUOTE]
What was racist? The word?
The word is racist, yes, but the man himself is not, and neither was he using it in a racially charged manner in context, the fuck up was using the word itself when it has that meaning and history in such a situation as a replacement for lighter insults.
[QUOTE=Carlito;52685939]Yeah, it was a genuine fuck up [I]because[/I] it was racist. It's good that he did apologise and I am hopeful that he sees this incident as a point where he can actively change his behaviour.[/QUOTE]
I don't really see Pewds as a racist but a person who said a racist thing. He acknowledged that it was awful thing to say and that he would strive to do better in the future. Honestly that's the best response possible.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52685941]What was racist? The word?
The word is racist, yes, but the man himself is not, and neither was he using it in a racially charged manner in context, the fuck up was using the word itself when it has that meaning and history in such a situation as a replacement for lighter insults.[/QUOTE]
No, using the word was racist. I think it's indicative of some underlying racism that he may hold, which isn't his fault, nor does it mean that he's automatically a bad person. Racism is something that is ingrained into most societies, and unless someone is actively aware of how it permeates society and affects people's behaviour, people are unlikely to not be racist.
[QUOTE=Carlito;52685951]No, using the word was racist.[/QUOTE]
I wouldnt say its that simple because the manner in which he used that racist word was in a non racially charged manner, more akin to "fucker" or "idiot", a generic insult. He shouldnt have used it because of the word itself being as it is, but context and intent is important in a situation like this.
Also does that imply any usage of the word is racist or something.
[QUOTE=Carlito;52685951]I think it's indicative of some underlying racism that he may hold, which isn't his fault, nor does it mean that he's automatically a bad person. [/QUOTE]
What?
[QUOTE=Carlito;52685951]Racism is something that is ingrained into most societies, and unless someone is actively aware of how it permeates society and affects people's behaviour, people are unlikely to not be racist.[/QUOTE]
Wait how did this turn into "everyone is automatically racist".
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52685970]Wait how did this turn into "everyone is automatically racist".[/QUOTE]
Well everyone has racial biases. This video explains it better than I ever could
[video=youtube;oJfbKj1vYsQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfbKj1vYsQ[/video]
Is it fair to refer to the racial bias present in culture as racism inherent with everyone? Doesn't that mad devalue the actual term "racist"?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52685970]I wouldnt say its that simple because the manner in which he used that racist word was in a non racially charged manner, more akin to "fucker" or "idiot", a generic insult. He shouldnt have used it because of the word itself being as it is, but context and intent is important in a situation like this.
Also does that imply any usage of the word is racist or something.[/quote]
It gets complicated when it's used between black people, and I wouldn't really describe it as racist (tbh it's not something I have focused a lot of thought or research on). When someone who isn't black uses it, though, its very hard for it to not be racist; it becomes part of the line of successive institutions of oppression against black people (which using this word against others has often been an integral part). PewDiePie used the word in a fit of anger against someone, which someone might because it's considered a bad word; but by doing so, he implies that being an n-word (read: being black) is something bad, that can be used as an insult. The whole use and impact of the word is kind of hard to fully understand and then express in non-confusing language (I'm not a sociologist or anything which is why I'm doing a bit of a shit job), and there's an inherent self-reinforcing nature to it, which is why it can be hard to segregate its use into non-racist and racist uses.
[quote]Wait how did this turn into "everyone is automatically racist".[/QUOTE]
I did make this point before, but my whole point about why both PewDiePie was being racist, and why being racist isn't some kind of sentence to the depths of hell is about the fact that many things we do day-to-day, both consciously and unconsciously, discriminate against others in a particular way and reinforce a structural system that discriminates against others. Being part of the system, which is more often than not endemic in societies, does mean that you are racist, but it doesn't mean you are automatically a bad person.
[editline]16th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52686003]Is it fair to refer to the racial bias present in culture as racism inherent with everyone? Doesn't that mad devalue the actual term "racist"?[/QUOTE]
Not really, because the whole idea behind that reasoning is that the behaviour lies on a spectrum of badness. Calling someone a slur on the street and being violent is absolutely racist and bad, but that doesn't mean that unconscious behaviours, or conscious ones that seem less severe aren't bad either. They're all grouped together because in order to overcome racism all of these factors need to be overcome.
Man this Carlito guy needs to calm down
People are getting way too offended, yes it's bad, yes he should have apologised. It's definitely not okay in a public forum even in the context it was said.
But man, this whole never forgive shit, come on.
[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52686352]Man this Carlito guy needs to calm down
People are getting way too offended, yes it's bad, yes he should have apologised. It's definitely not okay in a public forum even in the context it was said.
But man, this whole never forgive shit, come on.[/QUOTE]
I will literally fight you cunt.
Also I never said never forgive just that maybe forgiveness isn't something you get just by virtue of apologising but by making the changes in your behaviour that stop you from repeating past actions.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;52685982]Well everyone has racial biases. This video explains it better than I ever could
[video=youtube;oJfbKj1vYsQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfbKj1vYsQ[/video][/QUOTE]
See, even after I tried to (for some reason) talk you down a bit and act a little more level-headed, you're just throwing a very thin blanket over your opinions. You're still not open to any opposition to what you've been saying or how you think, you're repeating yourself. After I got some sleep and read your reply a couple pages ago, I saw the amount of effort you put in to trying to be nicer, but that was the only thing you were trying to do.
I don't get this entire argument in this thread. It's seriously just depressing. I'm out of this one, it's nothing but a circle of the same arguments and will keep going like that until the thread dies off and a new one takes its place during the next internet drama-heavy event.
Love ya'll.
I don't see what is there to gain from broadening the definition of racism.
Can we make it simple and just keep it as someone who legit have complexes on racial superiority/inferiority and call it day?
We're designed to have biases over people having different shit, that's normal.
We should reduce our biases but I don't think it helps to start calling people racist over something so minor
[editline]16th September 2017[/editline]
Funnily enough when I think about it, widening the usage of racist is kinda similar in how certain people start to use nigger as a common curse word.
Broadening meanings to suit whatever function they seek from that word
[QUOTE=Matrix374;52686441]I don't see what is there to gain from broadening the definition of racism.
Can we make it simple and just keep it as someone who legit have complexes on racial superiority/inferiority and call it day?
We're designed to have biases over people having different shit, that's normal.
We should reduce our biases but I don't think it helps to start calling people racist over something so minor
[editline]16th September 2017[/editline]
Funnily enough when I think about it, widening the usage of racist is kinda similar in how certain people start to use nigger as a common curse word.
Broadening meanings to suit whatever function they seek from that word[/QUOTE]
Broadening the definition of the word didn't come from some whimsical decision that everyone had to be racist. The alternate, academic definition arose due to a change in how sociologists and related academics came to understand how systems work. The change in the definition is at its core a move from putting the onus on individuals towards putting the onus of systems and institutions. This change arose as it became recognised that the drivers of racism aren't really individual people with bigoted views, but from the fact that institutions that underpin society tend to cause disadvantage among those of minority race.
Words can change in definition over time, as our conceptual understanding of the world around us. The constant potential for change based upon self-criticism of ideas is one of the main characteristics of science.
[QUOTE=Matrix374;52686441]I don't see what is there to gain from broadening the definition of racism.
Can we make it simple and just keep it as someone who legit have complexes on racial superiority/inferiority and call it day?
We're designed to have biases over people having different shit, that's normal.
We should reduce our biases but I don't think it helps to start calling people racist over something so minor
[editline]16th September 2017[/editline]
Funnily enough when I think about it, widening the usage of racist is kinda similar in how certain people start to use nigger as a common curse word.
Broadening meanings to suit whatever function they seek from that word[/QUOTE]
The definition of it including prejudice is nothing new though. We just tend to think of very overt forms of racism as it's the most visible.
A lot of very racist people don't really talk about superiority or inferiority anyways. Usually the spiel is about incompatibility and destruction of culture and heritage. That is prejudices and biases.
Although yeah, it is pretty frustrating. Academically they can keep calling it racism but if you were to ask people to picture a racist, they'd probably picture something like a KKK hoodsman. So it's not really a great strategy to call someone that if you want to get them aboard the idea of being more conscious of biases when say, hiring.
[QUOTE=Carlito;52686425]I will literally fight you cunt.
Also I never said never forgive just that maybe forgiveness isn't something you get just by virtue of apologising but by making the changes in your behaviour that stop you from repeating past actions.[/QUOTE]
did you read postal's post?
besides, he isn't going around repeating it, so your point means jack shit. He made the change, he apologised.
Stop acting like a loon
People can get offended, that's alright. But to be fair it a lot of it sounds like being proxy offended. I don't get how some people extrapolate so much just from one word.
Idubbbz says Nigger Faggot all the time and I've never heard any controversy over that? Like it's just a word, and the more people get hysterical over that word, the more power that word gains. Who cares?
[QUOTE=Jack32;52686537]Idubbbz says Nigger Faggot all the time and I've never heard any controversy over that? Like it's just a word, and the more people get hysterical over that word, the more power that word gains. Who cares?[/QUOTE]
Except Ian never used it as an insult against someone, he just says them completely out of context. It's understandable some people will have problem with those words being used as an insult.
That said, I think most of the drama should have died off when he issued an apology and everything else is just cashing out on the drama.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;52686429]See, even after I tried to (for some reason) talk you down a bit and act a little more level-headed, you're just throwing a very thin blanket over your opinions. You're still not open to any opposition to what you've been saying or how you think, you're repeating yourself. After I got some sleep and read your reply a couple pages ago, I saw the amount of effort you put in to trying to be nicer, but that was the only thing you were trying to do.
I don't get this entire argument in this thread. It's seriously just depressing. I'm out of this one, it's nothing but a circle of the same arguments and will keep going like that until the thread dies off and a new one takes its place during the next internet drama-heavy event.
Love ya'll.[/QUOTE]
I mean would you change your mind on something if they called your point hypocrital, misinformed and lazy and not really expand on the how your opinions are hypocrital misinformed and lazy?
You're probably right on this being a circle of the same arguments that aren't going anywhere, alas.
[QUOTE=Jack32;52686537]Idubbbz says Nigger Faggot all the time and I've never heard any controversy over that? Like it's just a word, and the more people get hysterical over that word, the more power that word gains. Who cares?[/QUOTE]
Idubbz is simply too small.
Pewdiepie has more subs than some well-known countries have citizens.
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;52686668]Except Ian never used it as an insult against someone, he just says them completely out of context. It's understandable some people will have problem with those words being used as an insult.
That said, I think most of the drama should have died off when he issued an apology and everything else is just cashing out on the drama.[/QUOTE]
He's definitely called people nigger before.
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;52686668]Except Ian never used it as an insult against someone, he just says them completely out of context. It's understandable some people will have problem with those words being used as an insult.
That said, I think most of the drama should have died off when he issued an apology and everything else is just cashing out on the drama.[/QUOTE]
I think he's said "nigger faggot" directed at himself and others quite a lot.
Anyone else think this is getting a little out of hand now?
[QUOTE=Source;52689302]Anyone else think this is getting a little out of hand now?[/QUOTE]
It pretty much always has, even during that Wall Street Journal fiasco.
niiigggggggeeeeerrrrrrr
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[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52689146]He's definitely called people nigger before.[/QUOTE]
Did he? Well then, that makes all of this even mroe pointless then :v:
[QUOTE=01271;52687233]Idubbz is simply too small.
Pewdiepie has more subs than some well-known countries have citizens.[/QUOTE]
idubbbz' content cop videos have 15-20+ million views
this is twice as many views PDP has on average on any weekly video (or even the special ones). specifically that tana mongeau video where the entire premise is capturing tana being comically shell-shocked over the word nigger.
i think it's just a matter of different fanbases and context.
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