• PewDiePie says "What a fucking nigger" after PUBG teammate dies
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[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;52668411]Great way to absolutely kill off any future interest in your shit.[/QUOTE] nah guys you're looking at this all wrong, Sean Vanaman is just trying to take the heat of Pewdiepie at the moment by saying something astronomically dumber. such a kind soul.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668462]And they reserve the right to revoke that privilege. That statement on their site is not legally binding.[/QUOTE] I'm not a lawyer, but from what i understand based on how laws work, you cant retroactively retract permission to do something and punish someone for a past act. Any lawyer worth his salt could destroy this guy. Thats besides the fact that it most likely falls right into Fair Use.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52668466]I'm not a lawyer, but from what i understand based on how laws work, you cant retroactively retract permission to do something and punish someone for a past act. Any lawyer worth his salt could destroy this guy. Thats besides the fact that it most likely falls right into Fair Use.[/QUOTE] But in this case it's like if a store had a sign saying "Come on in!" out front, and then saying the store owner have no right to remove a customer from the premises because the sign said it was okay. That blurb on their website has zero value in a legal setting. And again, we don't have any precedent as to whether it does fall under fair use, that's why this is a shaky situation.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668462]And they reserve the right to revoke that privilege. That statement on their site is not legally binding. I don't want to defend Campo Santo- believe me- but I don't think that counts.[/QUOTE] They'd have to do it universally. Revoking an explicit allowance to everyone means revoking it from everyone.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668474]But in this case it's like if a store had a sign saying "Come on in!" out front, and then saying the store owner have no right to remove a customer from the premises because the sign said it was okay.[/QUOTE] No its like having a store with a sign saying "come on in", someone comes in, then leaves, then you flip the sign to closed and call the cops saying they broke in retroactively. [QUOTE=Skyward;52668474]That blurb on their website has zero value in a legal setting.[/QUOTE] "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law". [QUOTE=Skyward;52668474]And again, we don't have any precedent as to whether it does fall under fair use, that's why this is a shaky situation.[/QUOTE] H3H3 won a very similar case recently and Alex Mauer is in deep legal hell for doing similar, so it kind of does.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668474]But in this case it's like if a store had a sign saying "Come on in!" out front, and then saying the store owner have no right to remove a customer from the premises because the sign said it was okay. That blurb on their website has zero value in a legal setting. And again, we don't have any precedent as to whether it does fall under fair use, that's why this is a shaky situation.[/QUOTE] I can't remember the exact term, but it's something similar to implied consent, and it might even fall under that as well in this case.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52668479]They'd have to do it universally. Revoking an explicit allowance to everyone means revoking it from everyone.[/QUOTE] Also this. You lose trust if you become selective. Standards have to be universal. Either its all okay or none of its okay and whatnot. [editline]10th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Crimor;52668487]I can't remember the exact term, but it's something similar to implied consent, and it might even fall under that as well in this case.[/QUOTE] Its not even implied consent, its written, literal consent on their website :v:.
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[QUOTE=Skyward;52668474]But in this case it's like if a store had a sign saying "Come on in!" out front, and then saying the store owner have no right to remove a customer from the premises because the sign said it was okay. That blurb on their website has zero value in a legal setting. And again, we don't have any precedent as to whether it does fall under fair use, that's why this is a shaky situation.[/QUOTE] do you know what does have legal value? the law that they are violating out of personal feeling
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52668486]H3H3 won a very similar case recently and Alex Mauer is in deep legal hell for doing similar, so it kind of does.[/QUOTE] I guess I won't argue it either way because I don't know enough about the laws surrounding it, but as an aside, wasn't Alex Mauer's issue that she was attempting to DMCA videos for including content she [I]didn't actually own.[/I] Don't know anything about the H3H3 case, though. Either way, fuck Campo Santo. [editline]10th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;52668536]do you know what does have legal value? the law that they are violating out of personal feeling[/QUOTE] Wow what a valuable post, really put me down with some strong thought out reasoning there. I'm posting this shit and arguing the devil's advocate because I wan't to understand more about the legal side of the situation, if you're just gonna come it and go "NAH UR WRONG ITS ILLEGAL" then just stop.
Really stupid thing to do on Pewdiepie's part considering how many people rallied for him to help defend him from all those WSJ racist accusations. Like I don't think that he's going to go out and physically attack someone for their race but that's not really a word you should slip in to your casual repertoire as a white dude.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;52668558]Really stupid thing to do on Pewdiepie's part considering how many people rallied for him to help defend him from all those WSJ racist accusations. Like I don't think that he's going to go out and physically attack someone for their race but that's not really a word you should slip in to your casual repertoire as a white dude.[/QUOTE] I think you'd be more than amazed how many normal, well adjusted people have otherwise awful words as part of their vocabulary, and especially those who let it out in a moment of frustration.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;52668558]Really stupid thing to do on Pewdiepie's part considering how many people rallied for him to help defend him from all those WSJ racist accusations. Like I don't think that he's going to go out and physically attack someone for their race but that's not really a word you should slip in to your casual repertoire as a white dude.[/QUOTE] Frankly I feel like people calling him a racist for this are idiots. I don't support using racist slurs but I don't think him using one paints him as a fucking Grand Wizard of the KKK. It's not good for sure, but it's not irredeemably heinous. It's not a fucking JonTron rant. But that being said him continuing to recklessly spout this like this after the whole WSJ thing, and all the consequences thereof just pisses me off. He clearly doesn't intend to learn from these mistakes, and he's ignoring the ramifications his actions have. The whole nazi thing caused some serious problems for ad monetization for countless youtubers, he shouldn't just shrug that off. And him doing that will probably make it worse.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;52668558]Really stupid thing to do on Pewdiepie's part considering how many people rallied for him to help defend him from all those WSJ racist accusations. Like I don't think that he's going to go out and physically attack someone for their race but that's not really a word you should slip in to your casual repertoire as a white dude.[/QUOTE] Honestly it's surprisingly common for scandinavians in general to use racist words as swears for some reason.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668580]Frankly I feel like people calling him a racist for this are idiots. I don't support using racist slurs but I don't think him using one paints him as a fucking Grand Wizard of the KKK. It's not good for sure, but it's not irredeemably heinous. It's not a fucking JonTron rant. But that being said him continuing to recklessly spout this like this after the whole WSJ thing, and all the consequences thereof just pisses me off. He clearly doesn't intend to learn from these mistakes, and he's ignoring the ramifications his actions have. The whole nazi thing caused some serious problems for ad monetization for countless youtubers, he shouldn't just shrug that off. And him doing that will probably make it worse.[/QUOTE] It is his fault that media publications are overtly sensitive and willing to take his content out of context to make a false narrative? Okay.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52668597]It is his fault that media publications are overtly sensitive and willing to take his content out of context to make a false narrative? Okay.[/QUOTE] No, that's firmly the media's fault. But he should recognize they're willing to do that and not spoon-feed them reasons to fuck over the site he's a face for. The goddamn WSJ was publishing articles about him being a [I]nazi[/I]- maybe he shouldn't go screaming nigger in a youtube stream. He needs to realize his voice has influence and eyes are on him and take that seriously.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668580] The whole nazi thing caused some serious problems for ad monetization for countless youtubers, he shouldn't just shrug that off. And him doing that will probably make it worse.[/QUOTE] That wasnt a result of him if we're thinking about the same thing. It was some dude photoshopping a pepsi ad over a white nationalism video for his article or something iirc.
man 2017 is not his year
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668580]Frankly I feel like people calling him a racist for this are idiots. I don't support using racist slurs but I don't think him using one paints him as a fucking Grand Wizard of the KKK. It's not good for sure, but it's not irredeemably heinous. It's not a fucking JonTron rant. But that being said him continuing to recklessly spout this like this after the whole WSJ thing, and all the consequences thereof just pisses me off. He clearly doesn't intend to learn from these mistakes, and he's ignoring the ramifications his actions have. The whole nazi thing caused some serious problems for ad monetization for countless youtubers, he shouldn't just shrug that off. And him doing that will probably make it worse.[/QUOTE] That's because his actions dont have consequences or ramifications. Not for him. For others, yes, but he's in a comfortable enough position to where none of this stuff will ever have any meaningful consequences for him.
[QUOTE=Jelman;52668381][media]https://twitter.com/vanaman/status/906983575337107456[/media] Kinda late but heres the original tweet (apologies I didnt see it embedded / linked directly so i posted it)[/QUOTE] I will just leave this here [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS-LXvhy1Do[/media]
[QUOTE=Jelman;52668381] Kinda late but heres the original tweet (apologies I didnt see it embedded / linked directly so i posted it)[/QUOTE] Fucking lmao. Only a Firewatch dev could be this pretentious.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52668620]That's because his actions dont have consequences or ramifications. Not for him. For others, yes, but he's in a comfortable enough position to where none of this stuff will ever have any meaningful consequences for him.[/QUOTE] That's where the whole "he's being shitty" thing comes in.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668605]No, that's firmly the media's fault. But he should recognize they're willing to do that and not spoon-feed them reasons to fuck over the site he's a face for. The goddamn WSJ was publishing articles about him being a [I]nazi[/I]- maybe he shouldn't go screaming nigger in a youtube stream. He needs to realize his voice has influence and eyes are on him and take that seriously.[/QUOTE] I'm sure Pewdiepie takes the issue seriously and decided as a responsible adult to not give a shit and keep doing the things that he enjoys doing without having to care about a bunch of shitty media outlets taking it out on him, especially when he's made his point before that these people do not have anything remotely resembling a case against him and are just firing blanks to get attention.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52668623]I will just leave this here [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS-LXvhy1Do[/media][/QUOTE] Once again to play devil's advocate, Jim was sued for libel and slander, not for copyright infringement. (4:15 in that vid) Sure the whole thing started over the DMCA, but the lawsuit was about the slander angle.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52668620]That's because his actions dont have consequences or ramifications. Not for him. For others, yes, but he's in a comfortable enough position to where none of this stuff will ever have any meaningful consequences for him.[/QUOTE]His actions aren't directly hurting others either, its the reactions some people have that cause problems, but that is their fault and not his. Responsibility for a reaction lies with the reactor.
[QUOTE=Skyward;52668634]Once again to play devil's advocate, Jim was sued for libel and slander, not for copyright infringement. Sure the whole thing started over the DMCA, but the lawsuit was about the slander angle.[/QUOTE] I was pointing out that filing out a DMCA strike to effectively censor someone has thus far only lead towards one slippery slope and the Digital Homicide slander case was the most extreme and telling example I had of how these things typically end up. The next one on the list being Alex Mauer but that one kind of died out and has yet to reach a conclusion as absurd as a developer demanding ten million dollars for someone mispronouncing his name.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52668643]I was pointing out that filing out a DMCA strike to effectively censor someone has thus far only lead towards one slippery slope and the Digital Homicide slander case was the most extreme and telling example I had of how these things typically end up.[/QUOTE] Oh, right. Well, that's fair then :v:
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52668578]I think you'd be more than amazed how many normal, well adjusted people have otherwise awful words as part of their vocabulary, and especially those who let it out in a moment of frustration.[/QUOTE] Sure, and I don't think he's flat out racist, but it's stupid and edgy at best and overtly irresponsible at worst, considering his even recent history. I also hugely disagree with Sean Vanaman/Camo Santo's decision, it's not going to accomplish much beyond adding noise to the room. [QUOTE=Skyward;52668580]Frankly I feel like people calling him a racist for this are idiots. I don't support using racist slurs but I don't think him using one paints him as a fucking Grand Wizard of the KKK. It's not good for sure, but it's not irredeemably heinous. It's not a fucking JonTron rant. But that being said him continuing to recklessly spout this like this after the whole WSJ thing, and all the consequences thereof just pisses me off. He clearly doesn't intend to learn from these mistakes, and he's ignoring the ramifications his actions have. The whole nazi thing caused some serious problems for ad monetization for countless youtubers, he shouldn't just shrug that off. And him doing that will probably make it worse.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and again, I don't think he's a racist per se, just reckless. To be fair, there is a lot of gray area in racism between casually saying the n word and being a member of the KKK, but Pewdiepie falls so low on the spectrum it's not worth chasing any notion. I just think that, considering how he's fresh off his war against WSJ, he'd be more careful with his words. Not to give them or anyone else any wiggle room on their actions though, they entirely mishandled that situation. [QUOTE=Crimor;52668585]Honestly it's surprisingly common for scandinavians in general to use racist words as swears for some reason.[/QUOTE] I didn't realize it was so common. Regardless, he's got to know how wide of an audience he has, all I'm saying is he should be a bit more responsible. You could see it in his face after he let it slip that he knew he shouldn't have said it.
Does anyone know how Sweden treats this word, anyway? Maybe i missed if anyone already touched on it, but he's not from ~this~ culture so it might not have the same kind of taboo to him to begin with.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52668641]His actions aren't directly hurting others either, its the reactions some people have that cause problems, but that is their fault and not his. Responsibility for a reaction lies with the reactor.[/QUOTE] You're not wrong, of course the fault mostly lies with the advertisers overreacting and pulling out for fear of the whole nazi situation that went down. But when it's been shown before that Pewdiepie's actions already served as a catalyst for them [I]doing [/I]that, it's irresponsible of him to not watch what he says and does more closely.
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