• PewDiePie says "What a fucking nigger" after PUBG teammate dies
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;52669324]As someone who plays more video games than anyone else I know, and who has over 1000 games on Steam/GOG, I [B]think[/B] that video game culture can be really toxic.[/QUOTE] Feeble attempt. One person "admitting" something means nothing. It's your opinion on video gaming culture.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52669254]Two of the most condescending British video game commentators are turning out to be wrong on this topic. I have no idea which lawyer TB talked to, but to say 100% is such a load of bullshit, otherwise it wouldn't have taken more than a decade for a lawsuit to finally call LPs into question.[/QUOTE] And you got this inkling based off your feelings? If you want to make a legal argument you better offer a counterexample within this context. The h3h3 case really doesn't cut it. I'm not going to say that Let's Plays violate copyright laws and whether fair use will work as a defense. But it's honestly a pretty precarious situation that to my knowledge, hasn't been settled.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669319]Idgi how does saying nigger feel good[/QUOTE] the same way saying any other "forbidden" word feels good. fuck, shit, bitch, and racial slurs all fall into the same category. the reason why the former words have been falling off the radar in the last decade is because people stopped being so stuck-up about them as words. when people get upset about the n word being used as an insult, it only fuels that "forbidden" feeling the word has. of course im only talking about the word in the context of it being used as an insult and no where near its original meaning
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52669335]And you got this inkling based off your feelings? If you want to make a legal argument you better offer a counterexample within this context. The h3h3 case really doesn't cut it. I'm not going to say that Let's Plays violate copyright laws and whether fair use will work as a defense. But it's honestly a pretty precarious situation that to my knowledge, hasn't been settled.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=GhillieBacca;52669085]Copyright Attorney weighed in. [media]https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/907044534865063936[/media][/QUOTE]
i think long plays with no commentary should definitely not be fair use, however when it's someone like pewdiepie or GG, people are generally coming for the personality, not so much the games. People would come whether or not they're playing a game they like, but people expressly have to look for specific no commentary long plays that allow you to see the whole game without paying
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52669335]And you got this inkling based off your feelings? If you want to make a legal argument you better offer a counterexample within this context. The h3h3 case really doesn't cut it. I'm not going to say that Let's Plays violate copyright laws and whether fair use will work as a defense. But it's honestly a pretty precarious situation that to my knowledge, hasn't been settled.[/QUOTE] The counterexample is not my feelings at all, it is the lack of lawsuits already for LPs, and companies actually partnering regularly/openly consenting for people to do this. There is a difference on if I said this is "settled," but if a lawyer said, "100% in CS favor" then they are a terrible lawyer because there is no precedent on his side as far as I am aware of. Not only that, but in a DCMA case the developer/publisher already issued an explicit statement to stream their games and retroactively turning around looks awful for them.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669337]the same way saying any other "forbidden" word feels good. fuck, shit, bitch, and racial slurs all fall into the same category. the reason why the former words have been falling off the radar in the last decade is because people stopped being so stuck-up about them as words. when people get upset about the n word being used as an insult, it only fuels that "forbidden" feeling the word has. of course im only talking about the word in the context of it being used as an insult and no where near its original meaning[/QUOTE] Fuck and nigger arent in the same category Like at all
[QUOTE=Thlis;52669338]stuff[/QUOTE] I was more interested in cases and not opinions. There's TB's attorney disagreeing with him, and the VGA in the comments of that as well. You can't just throw out the authority of those you disagree with in favor of the authority of those you agree with. At that point you need some evidence.
[QUOTE=Thlis;52669333]Feeble attempt. One person "admitting" something means nothing. It's your opinion on video gaming culture.[/QUOTE] You got me, I'm expressing my opinion. Nothing gets past you.
And when you call someone a nigger as an insult what exactly are you calling them other than a nigger? What other meaning could it possibly have
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52669350]I was more interested in cases and not opinions. There's TB's attorney disagreeing with him, and the VGA in the comments of that as well.[/QUOTE] every lawyer will give you a different answer depending on their own understanding of the scenario. VGA doesn't even refer to fair use really and accounts for campo santos licensing agreements, Leonard is talking about a justification pdp can use to defend himself if he chose to, but this would be a landmark case as nobody has ever taken lets play content to court
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52669356]every lawyer will give you a different answer depending on their own understanding of the scenario. VGA doesn't even refer to fair use really and accounts for campo santos licensing agreements, Leonard is talking about a justification pdp can use to defend himself if he chose to, but this would be a landmark case as nobody has ever taken lets play content to court[/QUOTE] Then that backs up what I said and doesn't mean "100% is such a load of bullshit."
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669355]And when you call someone a nigger as an insult what exactly are you calling them other than a nigger? What other meaning could it possibly have[/QUOTE] what are you calling someone when you call them a fucker? someone who has sex?
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[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52669362]Then that backs up what I said and doesn't mean "100% is such a load of bullshit."[/QUOTE] 100% is a load of bullshit because it implies there is no arguing/debating on this point.
[QUOTE=artDecor;52669365]I don't believe demanding PewDiePie's head on a stick is appropriate... but I think he should've realized the weight that the word still carries [especially in this politically charged climate] and if he can't make the effort to show some remorse or even a bit of empathy, he deserves whatever happens[/QUOTE] He already apologized afterwards IIRC. He usually does, and even takes down his own videos occasionally when he realizes he's fucked up. [QUOTE=Tudd;52669366]100% is a load of bullshit because it implies there is no arguing/debating on this point.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, with the specific wording TB used.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669364]what are you calling someone when you call them a fucker? someone who has sex?[/QUOTE] Im not the one defending using the word as an insult lol. When you call someone a nigger what are you trying to convey to them?
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669370]Im not the one defending using the word as an insult lol. When you call someone a nigger what are you trying to convey to them?[/QUOTE]"I am not happy with you. I do not like you." That's about the extent of it in such a usage. When you call someone a fucker you're not literally saying, "Hey, you are a person that has sex!" You're saying, "You're a fucker!" Fucker basically exists on its own as an insult in that instance because that is the usage of it. So yeah, calling someone a nigger in such a way like this isn't saying, "You're a subhuman black person." or something. "Nigger" is just a word that fits in to the slot at that moment without any other attachments.
Usually in context people say it when someone annoys them. Kinda like how Faggot is used without the homophobic weight behind it.
Other people are the ones who come along later and try to attach greater and broader concepts and ideas to it that exist outside of that context. But the only thing that matters is the context at that moment, not what someone else wants to see in to it or reference. What you or someone else reads further in to it is entirely your own design. [editline]10th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;52669380]Usually in context people say it when someone annoys them. Kinda like how Faggot is used without the homophobic weight behind it.[/QUOTE] See: Louis C.K. in that video previously posted.
What I find genuinely fucking moronic about this is that Pewdiepie has reached a point of absurd scrutiny where the guy is not allowed to shout one word with a clear lack of intention to harm without a bunch of people calling him a horrible person perpetrating racism or a liability to the business. And I'm surprised Jim isn't taking his side and is seemingly blaming pewdiepie himself for the entire youtube system being fucked, assuming his whole "liability for the business" argument relates to youtube's very anal policies on ad revenue as of late.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669370]Im not the one defending using the word as an insult lol. When you call someone a nigger what are you trying to convey to them?[/QUOTE] you are just calling them [I]a word.[/I] nothing more. when you are calling someone a fucker, you are not literally calling them someone who has sex. when you are calling someone an asshole, you are not literally calling them an anus. you are literally just calling them a word that sounds and feels insulting. because they are insults, not personal attacks on a person's being. i do believe that you shouldn't call a black person the n word out of respect for that person, as well as anyone else who wishes to not be called it. but when you're just playing a video game and wanna spout a word at some random person who killed you, it hurts nobody
Someone out there is going protest Sean by streaming firewatch and saying the N word over and over I just know it
Regardless of the dumb DMCA, I find it weird to only defend pewdiepie when he says racist slurs. Like why care about his public image and what people think of him, unless you agree with Jim and understand that he's the face of gaming for people outside of gaming and him saying edgy slurs he didn't need to say might make youtubers' job even less reliable - and has actually has a bad impact on everyone else when he'll feel none. Yeah it's easy and funny to make fun of Tana Mongeau and people like her, and that idubbbz vid is great in that context. But does that mean that a gaming culture where everyone says the n word when they tilt is a good thing? You do you but my way of coping out from the real world in video games is not by having to deal with edgy idiots screaming slurs all day on a pub. I'll argue that alienates more people than it "relaxes", and trying to make gaming culture less toxic is more important than defending the most popular millionaire on earth. But that's just me.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669423]you are just calling them [I]a word.[/I] nothing more. when you are calling someone a fucker, you are not literally calling them someone who has sex. when you are calling someone an asshole, you are not literally calling them an anus. you are literally just calling them a word that sounds and feels insulting. because they are insults, not personal attacks on a person's being. i do believe that you shouldn't call a black person the n word out of respect for that person, as well as anyone else who wishes to not be called it. but when you're just playing a video game and wanna spout a word at some random person who killed you, it hurts nobody[/QUOTE] I think a better way to respect black people would be to not use the word nigger as a way to insult anybody.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52669432]Someone out there is going protest Sean by streaming firewatch and saying the N word over and over I just know it[/QUOTE] A 10-hour Lets Play of Firewatch, with no commentary. Just this song playing on endless loop: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIsc8ooXug&feature=youtu.be&t=10[/media]
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52669441]I think a better way to respect black people would be to not use the word nigger as a way to insult anybody.[/QUOTE] And that's fine. I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to use the word and I support that ideology. I'll support a black person if I ever witness discrimination. I'll express my support for black people rights when it's relevant. And I'll treat black people just like how I would with any other person. I think that's more important than whether or not I use a word that isn't meant to be directed towards them. (within context)
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669423]you are just calling them [I]a word.[/I] nothing more. when you are calling someone a fucker, you are not literally calling them someone who has sex. when you are calling someone an asshole, you are not literally calling them an anus. you are literally just calling them a word that sounds and feels insulting. because they are insults, not personal attacks on a person's being. i do believe that you shouldn't call a black person the n word out of respect for that person, as well as anyone else who wishes to not be called it. but when you're just playing a video game and wanna spout a word at some random person who killed you, it hurts nobody[/QUOTE] What is an insult if not an attack on a person's character? When you call someone an "asshole," you are explicitly comparing them to a body part that does nothing but excrete human waste. "Nigger" is an insult because of centuries of dark skin being associated with traits that are undesirable, or being considered disgusting or undesirable in its own right. Words don't exist in a vacuum, especially insults.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52669464]I'll support a black person if I ever witness discrimination. I'll express my support for black people rights when it's relevant. And I'll treat black people just like how I would with any other person.[/QUOTE] Well what's the priority then, respecting them or defending the use of nigger as an insult? I'm confused.
[QUOTE=Loth;52669473]Well what's the priority then, defending them or defending the use of nigger as an insult? I'm confused.[/QUOTE] Treating them like a person obviously, if they're cool with the word then thats fine.
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