[QUOTE=ElGrego;36545408]I do muay thai too![/QUOTE]
facepunch does muay thai ? wat tis soccery?
i do ninijutsu right now
[editline]25th July 2012[/editline]
there is no MA you can fight properly in the streets, the best is to do what ever u can
[QUOTE=Deadman123;36922887]I currently am doing MMA, but I've wrestled folkstyle and freestyle for like 5 years(Don't know if you can call wrestling a martial art :v:). The wrestling has helped A LOT in MMA.
[editline]25th July 2012[/editline]
I was going to start practicing Krav Maga, but the dojo(?) near me shut down and I can't find another close by.[/QUOTE]
Keep doing MMA, but don't listen to Mr_Razzums. Krav Maga is good if you get into a decent school. Also since you have wrestling experience and MMA experience, it will give you an edge too.
However, look for a decent academy/school/federation before getting yourself into a macdojo like that of the film above.
Don't guide yourself by the sick commando krav maga techniques you see on youtube. They'll most likely get you killed in a stylish way.
And no, not even MMA and KM combined will get you out of 90% of self defence scenarios. A week in a fairly dangerous place with a high rate of violent crime woult teach anyone that.
[editline]25th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36926859]Some guy pulls a gun on you = oh god pls no pls i don't want 2 die *ziiiippp* oh oh ok *slurp* *slurp* *gargle*[/QUOTE]
Seen lots of ultra confident Muai Thay, Kick boxers and KM "experts" in that scenario. Hilarious in retrospective. Kinda taught them a lesson in not getting to overconfident.
OMG WHAT I FOUND
I TRAIN IN NIJUTSU RIGHT NOW,
THE VID SAYS Hatsumi Masaaki as a delusional psychotic. (HE'S THE FONDATOR)
[video=youtube;m09BCBkHe54]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m09BCBkHe54&feature=plcp[/video]
I swing sticks around in my yard
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;36950954]I swing sticks around in my yard[/QUOTE]
that's nice, be sure to use so sort of technique
also mma that is kick box + bjj is best for street fight. I also trained British jiu jitsu witch is very plausible to today's standards.
[QUOTE=Wolfz;36959074]that's nice, be sure to use so sort of technique
[U]also mma that is kick box + bjj[/U] [U]is best for street fight.[/U] [/QUOTE]
Those 2 phrases where WRONG.
MMA is mixed martial arts, the name says it all. It isn't just limited to those two. Seen pretty good wrestlers kicking the crap out of jiu jitsu guys, etc etc.
Also NOTHING is best for street fighting. First, you don't use Martial arts on the streets unless you have no choice but to resort to violence. Always try the peaceful solution. Second, If they don't teach you this at the place where you train, they should. It may save your life.
Knowing a martial art doesn't make you king of the streets, no matter how good you are.
I airsoft with a guy who used to be in the Israeli Defense Force. He knows KV, kind of cool.
[QUOTE=Wolfz;36959074]
also mma that is kick box + bjj is best for street fight. I also trained British jiu jitsu witch is very plausible to today's standards.[/QUOTE]
Ya, if you've never actually been in a street fight and are still stuck in that high school mentality where you think a "street fight" is two guys politely squaring off to settle some retarded dispute
Here's the reality: most street fights are multiple people vs one unsuspecting person in for a world of fucking hurt. Most street fights involve weapons like broken bottle and knives, and no, there are no working disarming techniques that don't involve putting you in a position to be cut to ribbons.
Go ahead, go fight some fool next time you are out clubbing and pull guard on him. I hope you enjoy the feeling of broken glass and pavement on your backside before his friends rush over and soccer kick your head while you are trying to work a fucking triangle.
[editline]29th July 2012[/editline]
the best martial arts for street fights are the ones that involve either running an impressive 100m dash time, or carrying a weapon that spews jacketed hollow points
LOL
[editline]29th July 2012[/editline]
this is what happens when "that guy" from ur gym thinks hes "ready for the street".
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXHV_pscgkI&feature=player_detailpage#t=106s[/media]
tapout dude comes in, bein an ass.
1 month bjj guys starts eggin him on (because hes ready 2 test his skills in the streetz).
tapout guy walks toward him.
bjj guy does worst takedown 2012.
bjj thinks he is hero. but cant even do a proper americana LOL.
even as a bjj guy. i would be with the black guys laughing hysterically at the white people fighting over hamburgers.
please guys... next time you are @ a burger place, n there is a drunk guy in there bein an ass... dont attempt 2 "choke him out" or "dislocate his joints" unless hes actually dangerous. n dont even bother if you cant even finish him LOL.
[editline]29th July 2012[/editline]
HOW~~~ EMBARRASSING ~~~
Sending someone to the floor in a public fight is just stupid.
That hero was just embarrassing.
He's alright by protesting, but he should keep eating his burger unless the fat guy came to him for a fight.
The video is funny, but where that in another place and the guy in the brown shirt would be in serious trouble.
Both of those idiots are just average non-dangerous cunt muffins.
[editline]29th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36986006]Ya, if you've never actually been in a street fight and are still stuck in that high school mentality where you think a "street fight" is two guys politely squaring off to settle some retarded dispute
Here's the reality: most street fights are multiple people vs one unsuspecting person in for a world of fucking hurt. Most street fights involve weapons like broken bottle and knives, and no, there are no working disarming techniques that don't involve putting you in a position to be cut to ribbons.
Go ahead, go fight some fool next time you are out clubbing and pull guard on him. I hope you enjoy the feeling of broken glass and pavement on your backside before his friends rush over and soccer kick your head while you are trying to work a fucking triangle.
[editline]29th July 2012[/editline]
the best martial arts for street fights are the ones that involve either running an impressive 100m dash time, or carrying a weapon that spews jacketed hollow points[/QUOTE]
Interesting point you make there. And I totally agree.
Got robbed a couple of times now, only been able to punch my way out of one and I got really hurt. Most of those times I was shown a knife or an object for my wallet and cell phone. At the time of the event I was already in krav maga for 6 months, had all the KB and Aikido training in my background and theoretically I was more than able to fight my way out.
However, things don't work so smoothly as they work in a dojo or gym. First, you may know all kinds of moves and be a real pro at it, but, if your initial momentum fails, that initial disarmament or the explosion that gives you control of the situation, you can start running for your life.
Second, most of the times you'll be caught so off guard that you won't have any time to realize you're even being robbed, so much defend yourself.
that's why I say, MacDojos can get you killed.
Third of all, you NEVER, but NEVER put yourself in guard unless you or anyone start attacking you. On the street you only put your guard up after either you or the attacker throw the first punch. This being true because the guard transmits the willingness to fight. Willingness that the attackers find more than welcome. You always direct your hands palm forward trying to ease things up with words. That way you're on a non violent posture but your hands are in a good position to throw an effective punch.
Third, Jiu jitsu gets you killed on the streets. Period.
My KM trainer (Police officer) was the one who gave us this advice. And in fact it is useful.
Most of us that are in martial arts train solely for leisure. Because we like it. Its a sport. We can always tap out, have trainers watching us. We are not military so most of the things we learn do not prepare us for kicking ass and taking names like the Rambo.
Peaceful conduct is always the best way to stay safe. But this isn't something your sensei's haven't told you already.
By saying throw guard he means like going into guard position in bjj..~~~
[editline]29th July 2012[/editline]
And also military that don't train outside of work are pretty bad a marial arts. Most military don't "kick ass" without a gun.
I cring and hold my breath every time a military guy says he knows bjj/muay Thai because he learned 3 moves in basic training. From my expeiance military guys tend to be really aggressive and try to force their two moves on you. N once they get tired they p much roll over lol
[editline]29th July 2012[/editline]
Rule of thumb is that a street fight will never be in your favor. You shouldn't be fighting unless you were willing to kill your opponent. Which is why a gun is great for life or death situations.
And if u think u are a bad enough dude with your ma and u wanna show off @ ur little sisters bday party so u pick a fight with a nerd. Be prepared to face the consequences, both legally, and physically.
so u just run away? That's easy. But what if there is no space run?
this is so fake
[video=youtube;wE8QNT_vmvI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE8QNT_vmvI[/video]
As some background, I've been training in Muay Thai for a year and Jiu-Jitsu for half of that. I figured I should stop lurking and contribute a story to this "MA in street fights" discussion.
A guy (let's call him Tom) I knew from high school is your typical gym junkie who thinks he's the toughest guy around. At a bar this past weekend he was drunk as fuck with his shirt off getting in this bigger guys face. His friends are all telling him to calm down and the guy is telling him to quit acting tough and go away. Tom, who never has trained a MA but figures he watches UFC so he's at least a purple belt in jiu jitsu, puts this guy in something faintly resembling a standing guillotine choke and starts squeezing as hard as he can. The guy says "what the fuck let go of me", so Tom treats it like a verbal tap and drops his hands thinking he's the fucking heavyweight champ, and proceeds to get hit by a wild, Wanderlei-esque haymaker right hand from the guy. He does a 180, completely knocked the fuck out, and falls like a pencil onto the cement directly on his face. From what I've been told, his cheek is ridiculously swollen, he's missing some teeth and he has a mild concussion.
I was secretly kind of glad; this asshole has always been getting into peoples faces and doing his best to get into street fights, hopefully getting seriously hurt and disfigured will bring about an epiphany of some sort. It's probably more likely he'll just say the guy was a pussy for "fake-tapping."
low iq
i got a new gi and its too big
hope it shrinks a ton heh bc I look dumb! lol!
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37141196]i got a new gi and its too big
hope it shrinks a ton heh bc I look dumb! lol![/QUOTE]
what discipline u train?
[QUOTE=Wolfz;37149274]what discipline u train?[/QUOTE]
bjj dude!
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;36666747]Hey guys!
Today after 5 hours of intense examining, I finally got my Yellow Belt in Krav Maga.
I feel like I was trampled by a bulldozer though. :v:[/QUOTE]
Damn....five hours for yellow belt. That's how long our fucking black belt tests are where I do Karate.
Someone was telling me about how in their judo gym to obtain a new belt they have to clean the dojo before and after tournaments. You get "points" for selling gatorade and chips to people. I'll stick with my dojo.
[QUOTE=blacksam;37197075]Someone was telling me about how in their judo gym to obtain a new belt they have to clean the dojo before and after tournaments. You get "points" for selling gatorade and chips to people. I'll stick with my dojo.[/QUOTE]
Well you definitely have to help around the place. Because in judo its just not that you are good at throwing people around its that you are a nice person and an addition to the sport. The points thing seems prety iffy. Most judo clubs arent like that.
The MMA gym I've been going to for 2 or 3 months now started up a gi Jiu-Jitsu class recently. For the longest time they only had no gi. I'm excited to start learning gi shit from a person who certainly knows more than my Karate sensei. He knows a good amount of the basics for BJJ, and he is actively perusing a blue belt. But the main guy at the MMA gym is like a sandbagging blue belt.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;37231077]The MMA gym I've been going to for 2 or 3 months now started up a gi Jiu-Jitsu class recently. For the longest time they only had no gi. I'm excited to start learning gi shit from a person who certainly knows more than my Karate sensei. He knows a good amount of the basics for BJJ, and he is actively perusing a blue belt. But the main guy at the MMA gym is like a sandbagging blue belt.[/QUOTE]
Bjj instruction from a white belt? Been there done that.
I was in an mma club at my uni and the bjj teacher was just a wb. Learned a little bit, but progress was non existent.
Eventually moved to a proper gym and it's a world of difference. There's a clear hierarchy of skill compared to informal training. And after switching my progress was much greater.
Also, don't get too excited about the gi. You're gonna find that it's hot and uncomfortable. If you happen to be in a gym with no air condition, no open doors/windows, no fans in 100 degree weather prepare to sweat more than you would sitting in a sauna for 10 hours.
The only good thing about the gi is that you appreciate no gi more.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37234276]Bjj instruction from a white belt? Been there done that.
I was in an mma club at my uni and the bjj teacher was just a wb. Learned a little bit, but progress was non existent.
Eventually moved to a proper gym and it's a world of difference. There's a clear hierarchy of skill compared to informal training. And after switching my progress was much greater.
Also, don't get too excited about the gi. You're gonna find that it's hot and uncomfortable. If you happen to be in a gym with no air condition, no open doors/windows, no fans in 100 degree weather prepare to sweat more than you would sitting in a sauna for 10 hours.
The only good thing about the gi is that you appreciate no gi more.[/QUOTE]
The gi isn't something new to me actually. It's what my Karate sensei focuses on mainly. It's not too bad in the nice air conditioned dojo. The MMA gym on the other hand....well right now during the summer it's basically always a MINIMUM of 80*. It's got some window fans and stuff, but no AC. Days when it's 90-95* really suck. I get heat rash pretty bad from all the sweating and my beast chest hair being pulled around from friction on those days.
I really stopped making progress with my Karate sensei grappling wise well over a year ago. Whenever I show him stuff from the MMA gym, he just doesn't really get it, and will immediately try to shoot it down just because he thinks it doesn't translate well in to gi. I mean yeah, a lot of no gi techniques won't, but it's not 100% don't work with a gi on. So I kinda stopped regularly attending his gappling/MMA class. It wasn't any extra $$$, so it's not much of a loss to me. It never really had a super steady amount of students anyways. All my sensei is really excellent at is traditional Karate, and for that I applaud him. But even then, I'm very slowly starting to lose interest in it because after finding out how little it really prepared me for MMA when I started sparring regularly with the MMA guys, I was a bit disappointed. It's not like we do point sparring at karate; we spar with good contact, but we do only do it once or twice a month, so that has a bit to do with it. Now I'm sparring at least twice a month, if not much more.
Our training has been changing though. He's been giving us better techniques, adding a bit more aliveness to drills and such, but the punch and stand like a statue to let your partner do a combination stuff still remains. At times I feel like everyone there thinks of it like a leisurely activity rather than training to defend yourself. I can't say every single thing we do is awful and will never help us, but I swear some of the stuff we do is almost to entertain or simply give us a workout rather than build our skills. If I had to gauge it all, I'd say roughly 65-70% of what we do is pretty solid and useful, the rest leisure and fun.
I'm getting pretty damn close to getting a Black Belt...I've made friends and certainly have acquired some decent self defense skills, but I'm just don't know if I care to still go for it anymore because it will probably mean so little. I mean belts already mean little to me anyways; I care more about the skill than the belt to symbolize it. I don't think there will be a very big difference from where I am now Karate wise and where I will be when I get a Black Belt. The requirements aren't super simple and plain, but basically it's just more of the same of what I already know. Nothing super drastic that will complete my skillset. Some more one punch combos, another form, some variations to blocks, and some variations to holds. I've already gotten all the major holds, blocks, etc. that I could get from Karate. Schedule wise, I have another year of training til I test for a Black Belt. But when I'm there, I'm mainly just be better at the older material. I see the 2nd Dans are even better, but it's not like they have acquired any new techniques that are major skills.
The big thing for me is I don't know how to take that. Is it good that I almost have everything you should need to have any hope at all to at least defend yourself on the street, or is it bad that progression in leaps in bounds pretty much ends?
Thinking of taking up Muay Thai, I enjoy fighting (martial arts, not bashing cunts), can anyone give me info? What should I expect?
Going to my second Krav Maga class with my best friend.
No-gi BJJ & Muay Thai
[QUOTE=NO ONE;37264767]The gi isn't something new to me actually. It's what my Karate sensei focuses on mainly. It's not too bad in the nice air conditioned dojo. The MMA gym on the other hand....well right now during the summer it's basically always a MINIMUM of 80*. It's got some window fans and stuff, but no AC. Days when it's 90-95* really suck. I get heat rash pretty bad from all the sweating and my beast chest hair being pulled around from friction on those days.
I really stopped making progress with my Karate sensei grappling wise well over a year ago. Whenever I show him stuff from the MMA gym, he just doesn't really get it, and will immediately try to shoot it down just because he thinks it doesn't translate well in to gi. I mean yeah, a lot of no gi techniques won't, but it's not 100% don't work with a gi on. So I kinda stopped regularly attending his gappling/MMA class. It wasn't any extra $$$, so it's not much of a loss to me. It never really had a super steady amount of students anyways. All my sensei is really excellent at is traditional Karate, and for that I applaud him. But even then, I'm very slowly starting to lose interest in it because after finding out how little it really prepared me for MMA when I started sparring regularly with the MMA guys, I was a bit disappointed. It's not like we do point sparring at karate; we spar with good contact, but we do only do it once or twice a month, so that has a bit to do with it. Now I'm sparring at least twice a month, if not much more.
Our training has been changing though. He's been giving us better techniques, adding a bit more aliveness to drills and such, but the punch and stand like a statue to let your partner do a combination stuff still remains. At times I feel like everyone there thinks of it like a leisurely activity rather than training to defend yourself. I can't say every single thing we do is awful and will never help us, but I swear some of the stuff we do is almost to entertain or simply give us a workout rather than build our skills. If I had to gauge it all, I'd say roughly 65-70% of what we do is pretty solid and useful, the rest leisure and fun.
I'm getting pretty damn close to getting a Black Belt...I've made friends and certainly have acquired some decent self defense skills, but I'm just don't know if I care to still go for it anymore because it will probably mean so little. I mean belts already mean little to me anyways; I care more about the skill than the belt to symbolize it. I don't think there will be a very big difference from where I am now Karate wise and where I will be when I get a Black Belt. The requirements aren't super simple and plain, but basically it's just more of the same of what I already know. Nothing super drastic that will complete my skillset. Some more one punch combos, another form, some variations to blocks, and some variations to holds. I've already gotten all the major holds, blocks, etc. that I could get from Karate. Schedule wise, I have another year of training til I test for a Black Belt. But when I'm there, I'm mainly just be better at the older material. I see the 2nd Dans are even better, but it's not like they have acquired any new techniques that are major skills.
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I'm honestly surprised you still have any faith in karate after experiencing mma. Most karate/TKD blackbelt guys I see in mma classes are the exact same level as people who have never fought in their life.
After experiencing 10 minutes in a mma sparing session you should realize really quickly that traditional striking martial arts has no place in the modern arena.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;37264767]
The big thing for me is I don't know how to take that. Is it good that I almost have everything you should need to have any hope at all to at least defend yourself on the street, or is it bad that progression in leaps in bounds pretty much ends?[/QUOTE]
To say that you are ready to "defend yourself on the street" is a silly statement. Being "street ready" is really just a big slogan thrown around by dojos and martial art gyms. The reality is that "street ready" doesn't exist.
A member on sherdog said something around the lines of "people think too much about how to prepare themselves for some ultimate battle that will never occur". And hes right. If you want to be "street ready", just buy a gun.
but anyway, your karate sensei might be a cool guy but I'd get out of there asap and join a proper gym.
[editline]16th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=WubWubWompWomp;37267961]Thinking of taking up Muay Thai, I enjoy fighting (martial arts, not bashing cunts), can anyone give me info? What should I expect?[/QUOTE]
you kick pads.
you'll make tons of mistakes that include:
stepping wrong.
not kicking through the target.
not using your hips.
hitting at the wrong angle.
flicking your leg.
not having the right angle in your leg during kick.
etc.
maybe in a few months you will get it down.
its pretty fun. i tried it for a little bit until i realized id rather be rolling around on the floor.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37276483]I'm honestly surprised you still have any faith in karate after experiencing mma. Most karate/TKD blackbelt guys I see in mma classes are the exact same level as people who have never fought in their life.
After experiencing 10 minutes in a mma sparing session you should realize really quickly that traditional striking martial arts has no place in the modern arena.
[/QUOTE]
lmao dis nigga doesn't know who machida is
[img]http://www.mmafight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Machida-bows-after-beating-Bader.jpg[/img]
Nothing wrong with most of the traditional arts.
It's just 99% of schools suck dick.
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