[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37277262]lmao dis nigga doesn't know who machida is
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Nothing wrong with most of the traditional arts.
It's just 99% of schools suck dick.[/QUOTE]
I think most people think that the most used martial arts in MMA are not traditional. Like just because TKD, Karate, Krav Maga, Akido, etc. have fairly horrible reputations, they are the only traditional arts. BJJ is traditional, Muay Thai is fairly traditional, Judo is, etc.
MMA is training to fight [U]with rules[/U].
Traditional martial arts is training to mainly defend yourself, with less focus on offense, [U]without rules[/U].
I've met a BJJ purist that said EVERYTHING else was a waste of time and even a little bit of striking training is unnecessary to defending yourself. The guy was still a white belt, so I knew he was full of it, but it just goes to show you there is enough bullshit to go around.
Also @Mr_Razzums, I'm not saying I'm street ready in the sense that there is a guarantee I will come out on top in a crazy street brawl, I'm just saying I have some strategies to go by so I'm not completely helpless and just trying to brute force my way through it all. I've never even been in a serious street fight. I had slap happy brawls at school, and those were years before I was even doing martial arts.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37277262]lmao dis nigga doesn't know who machida is
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Nothing wrong with most of the traditional arts.
It's just 99% of schools suck dick.[/QUOTE]
nigga theres an exception 2 everything. an ye i know that dude.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37276483]I'm honestly surprised you still have any faith in karate after experiencing mma. Most karate/TKD blackbelt guys I see in mma classes are the exact same level as people who have never fought in their life.
After experiencing 10 minutes in a mma sparing session you should realize really quickly that traditional striking martial arts has no place in the modern arena.
To say that you are ready to "defend yourself on the street" is a silly statement. Being "street ready" is really just a big slogan thrown around by dojos and martial art gyms. The reality is that "street ready" doesn't exist.
A member on sherdog said something around the lines of "people think too much about how to prepare themselves for some ultimate battle that will never occur". And hes right. If you want to be "street ready", just buy a gun.
but anyway, your karate sensei might be a cool guy but I'd get out of there asap and join a proper gym.
[editline]16th August 2012[/editline]
Thanks.
you kick pads.
you'll make tons of mistakes that include:
stepping wrong.
not kicking through the target.
not using your hips.
hitting at the wrong angle.
flicking your leg.
not having the right angle in your leg during kick.
etc.
maybe in a few months you will get it down.
its pretty fun. i tried it for a little bit until i realized id rather be rolling around on the floor.[/QUOTE]
What do you think about Jeet Kune Do? Is it a good Martial Art to start out with?
[QUOTE=Tarver;37323801]What do you think about Jeet Kune Do? Is it a good Martial Art to start out with?[/QUOTE]
ya
also got a job, and can't do MA anymore :((((((((((((((((((
[QUOTE=Tarver;37323801]What do you think about Jeet Kune Do? Is it a good Martial Art to start out with?[/QUOTE]
Jeet Kune Do is all about fluidity and simplicity. If you don't have that mindset, you will hate it I guarantee. JKD focuses on awareness, patience, and flexibility in your approach and technique used in every situation. I would recommend trying something different for a first martial art. Try boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ maybe. I did kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ, and judo for a good while before I tried some JKD. I had a really good teacher train with me, went through some of the basics and he taught me some things that fit well into my technique. Mostly the trapping used in JKD and some of the kicks it borrows from Savate.
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;37335315]Jeet Kune Do is all about fluidity and simplicity. If you don't have that mindset, you will hate it I guarantee. JKD focuses on awareness, patience, and flexibility in your approach and technique used in every situation. I would recommend trying something different for a first martial art. Try boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ maybe. I did kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ, and judo for a good while before I tried some JKD. I had a really good teacher train with me, went through some of the basics and he taught me some things that fit well into my technique. Mostly the trapping used in JKD and some of the kicks it borrows from Savate.[/QUOTE]
Thanks,I had a feeling it wouldn't be that simple.
Thinking about doing MMA, the only place near me that doesn't cost $300 for some bullshit "Unlimited Premiuim membership you have to buy or you don't get MMA only MUAY THAI And BOXING" Is 20 minutes away, They do Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling & Tai Jitsu or whatever its called. Do I have to be in shape to do any of this or do you just go with the flow? Also can you lose weight from doing MMA?
[editline]21st August 2012[/editline]
Well nevermind, apparently everywhere around me charges at least $150 a month... Fuck it, I'll just learn to fight on my own.
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;37342628]Thinking about doing MMA, the only place near me that doesn't cost $300 for some bullshit "Unlimited Premiuim membership you have to buy or you don't get MMA only MUAY THAI And BOXING" Is 20 minutes away, They do Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling & Tai Jitsu or whatever its called. Do I have to be in shape to do any of this or do you just go with the flow? Also can you lose weight from doing MMA?
[editline]21st August 2012[/editline]
Well nevermind, apparently everywhere around me charges at least $150 a month... Fuck it, I'll just learn to fight on my own.[/QUOTE]
Its impossible to learn to fight on your own.
link the websites to the places you are looking at.
As for your other questions...
Gym owners like money, and the majority of their clients are out of shape noobs, so of course if you're not in shape you're not going to be denied. They don't expect you to know anything and they will usually be glad to build you up. (some places have mma 101/ beginner classes especially for noobs).
And yes you'll drop pounds very fast with a mild diet and intense mma training.
Personally I pay 150$ a month for my bjj school and its worth it.
Today's Krav Maga class went better then last time.
(I didn't get punched in the face that is)
I used to do WTF Tae Kwon Do years ago and I'm looking back into getting into martial arts again. I really enjoyed kicking in TKD but I'll be looking for either TKD again, or Muay Thai or maybe Kung Fu. What I do is pretty much dictated by what's near and easy to get too though.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37345122]Its impossible to learn to fight on your own.
link the websites to the places you are looking at.
As for your other questions...
Gym owners like money, and the majority of their clients are out of shape noobs, so of course if you're not in shape you're not going to be denied. They don't expect you to know anything and they will usually be glad to build you up. (some places have mma 101/ beginner classes especially for noobs).
And yes you'll drop pounds very fast with a mild diet and intense mma training.
Personally I pay 150$ a month for my bjj school and its worth it.[/QUOTE]
Can't remember the sites, but apparently my dad went to school with some guy who now does Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. So it won't be hell expensive, if you google Alvarez BJJ it'll come up.
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;37382805]Can't remember the sites, but apparently my dad went to school with some guy who now does Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. So it won't be hell expensive, if you google Alvarez BJJ it'll come up.[/QUOTE]
do it man. DO IT
If it doesn't cost more than like $75 or $80 I probably will.
would learning how to fence help protect me
[QUOTE=Jay Gatsby;37391543]would learning how to fence help protect me[/QUOTE]
Not at all.
I pay $60 a month for the MMA gym I go to. To be fair though, it's a pretty ghetto gym. It's on the small side sizewise, and it's not FULLY equipped; it doesn't have like a full gym to work all your muscles and shit.
[editline]24th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jay Gatsby;37391543]would learning how to fence help protect me[/QUOTE]
Only if you carried a non sharp sword around at all times and all your opponents in the street also carried pointy, dull swords.
Been boxing for just under 5 months now and my cheap gloves have started to wear and tear. Was wondering if any one had any recommendations for a brand?
[QUOTE=slamex;37406233]Been boxing for just under 5 months now and my cheap gloves have started to wear and tear. Was wondering if any one had any recommendations for a brand?[/QUOTE]
I can't give any specific brand recommendations other than probably Everlast since they are like the Gibson of striking gear, but I can tell you that you need to get leather gloves. They are pricey, but when you are training regularly, it is necessary. And do not let your gear sit around in your bag. Let it breathe and air dry. Moisture will decrease the lifespan of your gear. Good gear will pretty much endure all the beatings you put it through.
Cheers for that NO ONE
I'm going to learn Western Boxing and BJJ before I try Jeet Kune Do Good?
[QUOTE=Tarver;37440641]I'm going to learn Western Boxing and BJJ before I try Jeet Kune Do Good?[/QUOTE]
Just pick one and stick with learning that. Instead of cross training a bunch of stuff, especially if you are just starting.
Western boxing and bjj are both great places to start. Idk about jkd...
of course jkd is good, it's more like self-defence that sportive
[QUOTE=Wolfz;37452367]of course jkd is good, it's more like self-defence that sportive[/QUOTE]
mcdojos
mcdojos everywhere
[editline]31st August 2012[/editline]
honestly bruce lee would probably lean on a shotgun if he was able to see what jkd had become today
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37479105]mcdojos
mcdojos everywhere
[editline]31st August 2012[/editline]
honestly bruce lee would probably lean on a shotgun if he was able to see what jkd had become today[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because for idiots like you, martial arts are all about self defence and being the badass of the streets.
Most people here are in Martial Arts for sportsmanship and leisure, not for caring if they are learning any MMA Muay Thai ultimate fighting bullshit.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;37480704]Yeah, because for idiots like you, martial arts are all about self defence and being the badass of the streets.
Most people here are in Martial Arts for sportsmanship and leisure, not for caring if they are learning any MMA Muay Thai ultimate fighting bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Psst retard
Martial art literally means combat art. If you aren't preparing people for combat, you're not a martial art.
If you want sportsmanship and leisure, go join a fitbox class or something.
I have no time for fools who selling "self defence" who know nothing about self defence and have never been in a situation that required them to defend their self, it's dishonest at best, dangerous at worst.
When Bruce Lee taught JKD, it was a philosophy of combat designed to be flexible, it was set of principles, not a "style" to be carbon copied and turned into a mcdojo franchise. He was constantly changing his approach and encouraged his students to do the same, the divining principle being you use whatever works. He encouraged people to participate in full contact sparring and rigorous physical training if they actually wanted to become better.
You know what JKD is today? It's a bunch of pseudo badasses running around trying to do bad imitations of what Bruce Lee was teaching AT that time, minus the full contact sparring and hard physical work.
Dan Inosanto, Lee's closest student, tried to keep JKD alive but no one wanted a bar of it because he was trying to teach them new concepts that he had learned from other martial arts, Muay Thai and shoot wrestling for example - this is exactly what Lee wanted people to do with JKD, instead people split from Inosanto and opened up their own illegitimate JKD dojos because "lol doesn't look like how bruce le fought in da movies".
It may be, it may be not.
Also, you don't know what's the scenario in that particular martial art in the rest of the world other than your country. And who cares, really, of what you think of other martial arts. Your speech stenches of your own personal opinion, based on shit ideas from the top of your head and no experience whatsoever other than your own limited one.
And really who the fuck are you to say "oh, that's shit" about every martial art other than your own? Your problem here is clearly an utter disrespect about what other people are into and newcomer's doubts and insecurities.
Your problem is that you're an uppity arrogant little bitch about what others are practising that you fail to grasp that people are in it mainly for leisure, most not really caring weather they can kick ass on the streets or not. It was never about that.
When someone comes here with doubts, insecurities or hypothesis about his martial art being good for self defence or not, you just pull out the dick card and start undermining everybody's search for a good sport saying it's shit and pulling them to YOUR IDEA of what "really kicks ass".
I can really pick up all the douche replies you gave to newcomers seeking for knowledge, but that's something people can clearly see for themselves.
Most martial arts you learn nowadays in western civilization are civilian based, and at least the majority of them are modified to the core from what they originally were. So they are basically pretty flawed when they come to self defence, and I mean even muay thai, JJ, and most of the badass stuff nowadays. They took away most of the lethal techniques out of the picture. Those you learn on a military basis.
Gyms, dojos, whatever you call them strongly discourage the use of martial arts outside the dojo, so what's the problem if some dojos start being all fundamentalist religious about the way they teach JKD? It's one of many paths.
Tell me about any martial art who hasn't divided itself into different schools because every one of those master's pupils think they're doing it better? Who cares anyway. That's not the dojo's fault.
It's people's fault and the false idea that people have of martial arts: that it's something to make you kick ass and be good at self defence. And that idea has a market around it. Big deal.
The way you put things it's like EVERY school out there of your targeted martial art is SHIT. And you are wrong. There are schools out there willing to teach things the right way or in a way that fit's you best. You just have to look for them.
People here are looking for an experience that makes them happy, if they are in a wrong place their experience and knowledge they gather there will lead them to seek a better place. But first you gotta start somewhere. It may take years and years. You don't just say "oh that's shit, try this ultimate stuff where every cool dude from the UFC is" to someone who's not willing to learn that ultimate fighting bullshit.
Of course it's easier to just sit back and criticize without any base of fundament so you can entrench yourself further in your own demeaning point of view and doubtful experience in martial arts.
Lmao so basically your post boils down to a rage filled version of "well that's just your opinion"
Of course it's my opinion based on my experience you fucking idiot, whose else would it be?
It's funny how you come to conclusion that I'm only praising martial arts that aim to "kick ass on the streets" even though I have several long winded posts in this thread about how I specifically discourage that attitude in any school because it ends up getting people killed. I encourage schools and arts that encourage full contact training and hard physical work and pragmatism because this what actually works in reality as opposed to only learning theory and never actually applying it.
I don't clearly disrespect what other people are into and their reasons for doing so. If you want to prance around in pajamas 2 nights a week, that's your thing and if you get leisure out of it, great, enjoy yourself. However when you start telling people that it's good for either A) fighting or more importantly B) self defense, that's when I take exception. Because it's motherfuckers like you that instill false bravado into people and wind up getting them in hospital.
I'll state it again, martial art literally means combat art. If you aren't teaching skills centered towards combat, you are not a martial art.
I never said every school is shit, quite the opposite, I just said they are hard to find among the pile of heinous shit. And go ahead, point out where I EVER told someone ""oh that's shit, try this ultimate stuff where every cool dude from the UFC is"". Again you're coming to conclusions that don't actually exist because you got butthurt by my comment about something you do I'm guessing.
And yes this is all my opinion born out of my experience, but guess what? So is everything else posted on a forum. The fact you make exception of it being my opinion and my experience really kind of highlights how retarded you actually are.
If my opinions on the matter bother you so much, FP has this handy ignore function you can put on me.
Or y'know you can just cry some more which is what I'm betting you will do.
Good to see some posts up in this thread. heh.
One thing though:
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;37494681]
So they are basically pretty flawed when they come to self defence, and I mean even muay thai, JJ, and most of the badass stuff nowadays. They took away most of the lethal techniques out of the picture. Those you learn on a military basis. [/QUOTE]
plz stop saying this. this isn't true.
There are no secret kicks that are too lethal for civilians.
There is no such thing as Dim Mak.
And all lethal throws and locks I can learn in a civilian Judo, JJ or BJJ school.
the only places that publicly say "we have techniques that are really deadly, but we don't show everyone" are illegitimate schools.
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