What's your opinion on beginners sparring and grappling/rolling very soon in to their training?
My Karate instructor likes people to have at least a year experience or be a Blue belt before he starts them off with either. He thinks starting people off, especially young kids, early scares them off too much. Yes, there have been students who would avoid sparring/grappling week at the dojo, but there were less of them and more of people who showed up no matter what we were doing.
But recently some soccer moms who have there kids as students got a taste of some grappling. They didn't mind at all, and were eager to continue it, despite being white belts and having zero martial arts training. They were even saying that they looked forward to sparring the following month (since they missed the sparring class and only made the grappling class).
Me, I think that's great, and I don't like the idea of people sparring later rather than sooner. I mean besides his weekly "MMA" class, he only has sparring and grappling once a month (which I've bitched about a million times to him), so it's not like newer students will be constantly at risk or anything.
I wish I could convince my instructor to even just do bi weekly sparring, even if it's for just a portion of the class.
Now where I train MMA, it's a different story. I don't know how many people have left or whatever once they sparring and stuff, but I do know that if they want to spar or roll, they can, even if they have no prior experience. Of course, it won't be at the same intensity or anything, but they still get a good taste.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;37701995]What's your opinion on beginners sparring and grappling/rolling very soon in to their training?
My Karate instructor likes people to have at least a year experience or be a Blue belt before he starts them off with either. He thinks starting people off, especially young kids, early scares them off too much. Yes, there have been students who would avoid sparring/grappling week at the dojo, but there were less of them and more of people who showed up no matter what we were doing.
But recently some soccer moms who have there kids as students got a taste of some grappling. They didn't mind at all, and were eager to continue it, despite being white belts and having zero martial arts training. They were even saying that they looked forward to sparring the following month (since they missed the sparring class and only made the grappling class).
Me, I think that's great, and I don't like the idea of people sparring later rather than sooner. I mean besides his weekly "MMA" class, he only has sparring and grappling once a month (which I've bitched about a million times to him), so it's not like newer students will be constantly at risk or anything.
I wish I could convince my instructor to even just do bi weekly sparring, even if it's for just a portion of the class.
Now where I train MMA, it's a different story. I don't know how many people have left or whatever once they sparring and stuff, but I do know that if they want to spar or roll, they can, even if they have no prior experience. Of course, it won't be at the same intensity or anything, but they still get a good taste.[/QUOTE]
If someone wants to roll, let them roll. I would've left my school a long time ago if I had to wait 2 years or whatever to get my blue belt before rolling.
Noobs grappling is a lot safer than throwing two noobs in a ring to strike eachother. If someone goes too hard in grappling then they get tired and get owned. If someone goes too hard in striking, then someone can get hurt.
And someone can tell you to move your hips and shrimp all day, but being aware of these things in a roll is totally different than drilling all day.
Karate guy should let them spar.
Grappling in general is a lot safer to practice on a regular basis
Nobody likes striking because concussions, bruises, cuts, swelling and literal brain damage can all happen very very easily.
“Punch a jiu-jitsu black belt in the face once and he becomes a brown belt, punch him in the face twice and he becomes a purple belt.." - Carlson Gracie
How I picture kung fu mcdojo warriors:
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I want to eventually get into a martial art, but some things have been making me wary.
First of all, I have 'immune system' arthritis, and x-linked hypophosphatemia which basically makes my bones weaker, although I think it also makes them a bit more dense as well.
Secondly, I've had surgery in my knees, hips, and ankles, and have had plates put in.
I'm not sure if this will affect anything, but I don't want to randomly screw myself over either. You guys probably won't be able to answer this, but I'd like to know if it's good/common for things like that to get in the way of martial arts/etcetera.
[QUOTE=Repulsion;37774873]I want to eventually get into a martial art, but some things have been making me wary.
First of all, I have 'immune system' arthritis, and x-linked hypophosphatemia which basically makes my bones weaker, although I think it also makes them a bit more dense as well.
Secondly, I've had surgery in my knees, hips, and ankles, and have had plates put in.
I'm not sure if this will affect anything, but I don't want to randomly screw myself over either. You guys probably won't be able to answer this, but I'd like to know if it's good/common for things like that to get in the way of martial arts/etcetera.[/QUOTE]
Muay Thai would be perfect for you
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;37777048]Muay Thai would be perfect for you[/QUOTE]
he's the expert of martial arts. HE KNOW'S WHAT HE SPEAKS.
And no, Mauy Thai will break your bones. It's best to do... fitness i guess.
[QUOTE=Wolfz;37811369]
And no, Mauy Thai will break your bones. It's best to do... fitness i guess.[/QUOTE]
You don't say!!
There is a martial art for you. It's Tai Chi. It is slow, but if you speed it up it could be dangerous. I have never heard of anyone sparring.
[QUOTE=Repulsion;37774873]I want to eventually get into a martial art, but some things have been making me wary.
First of all, I have 'immune system' arthritis, and x-linked hypophosphatemia which basically makes my bones weaker, although I think it also makes them a bit more dense as well.
Secondly, I've had surgery in my knees, hips, and ankles, and have had plates put in.
I'm not sure if this will affect anything, but I don't want to randomly screw myself over either. You guys probably won't be able to answer this, but I'd like to know if it's good/common for things like that to get in the way of martial arts/etcetera.[/QUOTE]
Pretty hard choice, even "soft" grappling and throwing stuff can get faster and more "violent" once you advance in training.
You could try something with low contact sparring or no sparring or just don't spar at all by choice.
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Tapout makes me sick, not the work out or anything, just the people who buy the products and pretend it gives them tenacious powers
What a fucking waste. That's what really makes me sick when I watch UFC, Strikeforce... etc etc.. The advertising of that shit.
"No hitting the gym"; "Get from a useless slob to a muscular champ while scratching your balls".
They have those commercials on all American TV. I agree though, its really disgusting.
Oh, American TV. Here in Europe looks like bs they try to sell on the TV Sales (or Tele Sales, whatever you call it in english).
To be honest I see lots of people here using Tapout shorts and t-shirts (mainly fat guys), and I see it being advertised during the fights but I never understood what Tapout really is.
Oh God, Painful to watch!
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Had a 3 hour Belt test today (Karate). Basically got a Brown Belt for the third time...I'm a 1st Brown now.
Next test will be for Black Belt.
Belts don't mean much to me anymore. What does is going through the tests and improving my skill.
In a minimum of about 6-7 months, unless I'm not ready (if my material stuff doesn't look good), I'll be doing that test. Not sure if it will be one 8 hour test or 2 4 hour tests separated by a month. Most people do the two 4 hour tests, but my instructor keeps telling me I should do the 8 hour. Of course, I would have to choose to do it, and there would have to be other people testing, most likely for a 2nd degree Black Belt, for the 8 hour test to happen. And it would have to be when I'm testing; my instructor thinks there will be an 8 hour test when I'm suppose to test though. So it probably will just come down to me choosing which one.
Just ordered
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They look pretty slick.
Will probably use them for going to the beach and for the mats.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37953616]Just ordered
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They look pretty slick.
Will probably use them for going to the beach and for the mats.[/QUOTE]
i really care about how u got new pants.
Not asking for you to care or not. Just pretty hyped as they are my first mma board shorts, been using and ripping surfing shorts for the last year and a half.
Not like I'm spamming this thread as it already gets zero traffic.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37959743]Not asking for you to care or not. Just pretty hyped as they are my first mma board shorts, been using and ripping surfing shorts for the last year and a half.
Not like I'm spamming this thread as it already gets zero traffic.[/QUOTE]
ur just like a kid I know from gym, who wants "boxer shoes"
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37277262]lmao dis nigga doesn't know who machida is
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Nothing wrong with most of the traditional arts.
It's just 99% of schools suck dick.[/QUOTE]
shotokan karate is one of the best striking forms to learn because not only does it build your punch reflexes (the art of the one punch knock out/one strike knock out) but it also teaches you how to step off the line of attack to get an angle.
YOU WANNA LEARN HOW TO COUNTER PUNCH OR KNOCK MOTHER FUCKERS OUT?
LEARN FOOT WORK, STEPPING OFF THE LINE, 8 ANGLES OF ATTACK (8 winds sanpai kempo) AND THE 36 STRATAGEMS
[editline]8th October 2012[/editline]
i want to learn sampai kenpo fuuuuuuuuuuuck
[QUOTE=SickJits;37963266]shotokan karate is one of the best striking forms to learn because not only does it build your punch reflexes (the art of the one punch knock out/one strike knock out) but it also teaches you how to step off the line of attack to get an angle.
YOU WANNA LEARN HOW TO COUNTER PUNCH OR KNOCK MOTHER FUCKERS OUT?
LEARN FOOT WORK, STEPPING OFF THE LINE, 8 ANGLES OF ATTACK (8 winds sanpai kempo) AND THE 36 STRATAGEMS
[editline]8th October 2012[/editline]
i want to learn sampai kenpo fuuuuuuuuuuuck[/QUOTE]
Kyokushin is pretty good too. It's only really big flaw is that they train you to not punch the head. Or maybe I should rephrase..."In most Kyokushin organizations, hand and elbow strikes to the head or neck are prohibited. However, kicks to the head, knee strikes, punches to the upper body, and kicks to the inner and outer leg are permitted." [Wikipedia]. They like to attack the body more so than the head. But anyways, Kyokushin, last I heard, is known for it's bare-knuckle style of sparring and pretty wicked conditioning of the body/bones.
Bet you can do really great amounts of damage if you strike to the head with that martial art.
In Krav Maga, we're allowed to hit critical areas of the body and are forced to switch partners very often when fighting. Rephrasing, we never fight with the same partner for too long so we don't fight accordingly to the opponent's weaknesses and strenghs. So basically they aim to prepare us for the unknown so the "fights" are pretty boring to watch and pretty tense too since you feel kinda forced to close your guard and fight defensively.
And I tell you, fighting with prohibitions/rules is totally different than fighting without them. When fighting with rules you can risk more, get closer, invest more on the rotations, cross punches, uppercuts, rotating kicks, etc etc.. On the other hand if you can use everything things get different, for example, imagine it being allowed to kick in the balls. Although you have a jockstrap, you can still feel the impact and substantial pain it hits you right on the spot. Fighting with that "fear" makes you more closed and only willing to risk an attack if the oponent strikes and opens.
It's a good philosophy for us since Krav Maga (and I speak for the non macdojoed arts) is only designed for defence and they wan't to disencourage offensive behaviour.
Anyway, right now, our coach/sensei (I don't know how they call it) is trying to train us to fight under stress and tiredness. So basically we have this 20 min non-stopping exercise through stations: lifting weights, pushups, punching bags and many other stuff I can't say cause as a non english speaker my gymn vocabulary is still kinda bad at the time.
So far under that state of stress in which after that intense exercise we're forced to defend ourselves the mistakes are really scary. It's good to develop this awareness of how things work under stress, you get a much different point of view of things.
Anyway, changing subject, I can no longer do MMA, don't have the time and need the money for my studies now. It's a shame though since a new gym opened here.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;37974685]Bet you can do really great amounts of damage if you strike to the head with that martial art.
In Krav Maga, we're allowed to hit critical areas of the body and are forced to switch partners very often when fighting. Rephrasing, we never fight with the same partner for too long so we don't fight accordingly to the opponent's weaknesses and strenghs. So basically they aim to prepare us for the unknown so the "fights" are pretty boring to watch and pretty tense too since you feel kinda forced to close your guard and fight defensively.
And I tell you, fighting with prohibitions/rules is totally different than fighting without them. When fighting with rules you can risk more, get closer, invest more on the rotations, cross punches, uppercuts, rotating kicks, etc etc.. On the other hand if you can use everything things get different, for example, imagine it being allowed to kick in the balls. Although you have a jockstrap, you can still feel the impact and substantial pain it hits you right on the spot. Fighting with that "fear" makes you more closed and only willing to risk an attack if the oponent strikes and opens.
It's a good philosophy for us since Krav Maga (and I speak for the non macdojoed arts) is only designed for defence and they wan't to disencourage offensive behaviour.
Anyway, right now, our coach/sensei (I don't know how they call it) is trying to train us to fight under stress and tiredness. So basically we have this 20 min non-stopping exercise through stations: lifting weights, pushups, punching bags and many other stuff I can't say cause as a non english speaker my gymn vocabulary is still kinda bad at the time.
So far under that state of stress in which after that intense exercise we're forced to defend ourselves the mistakes are really scary. It's good to develop this awareness of how things work under stress, you get a much different point of view of things.
Anyway, changing subject, I can no longer do MMA, don't have the time and need the money for my studies now. It's a shame though since a new gym opened here.[/QUOTE]
There's this one guy at Karate that always likes to tell me "we don't kick below the belt in karate", meaning we don't do leg kicks. Nobody else really seems to be bothered when I leg kick them when we spar. There's a bit more detail I could get in to about him and my issues with him, but I don't feel like typing it all right now.
But ever since I started training MMA, I've been doing leg kicks at Karate. It throws off a lot of people. And my instructor doesn't really have a rule against it.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;37978905]There's this one guy at Karate that always likes to tell me "we don't kick below the belt in karate", meaning we don't do leg kicks.[/QUOTE]
There was this saying somewhere that when training, kick as high as possible. When fighting, kick as fast as possible.
Maybe he's got this kinda idea or he's just trying to train you to kick in the context of training sports karate.
Since in Krav Maga we're fighting with a very close posture. We usually kick the sides of the legs and behind the knee joints to throw the the adversary off balance so we can have an opening to exploit.
But since our martial art is designed for self defence, our seisei/coach insists that we keep kicks as simple and fast as possible in a real case scenario.
And I think he's right. You don't want to get too exposed or risk slipping or losing balance.
That feel when you're the best grappler at university mma club.
That feel when the only way to get a challenge from grappling is to only go for the twister.
That feel when you go back to your main bjj gym and get toyed with.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;37989244]That feel when you're the best grappler at university mma club.
That feel when the only way to get a challenge from grappling is to only go for the twister.
That feel when you go back to your main bjj gym and get toyed with.[/QUOTE]
"In order to get the best technique, you must train with the Gi"
That's why I prefer to keep your clubs separated, unless your gym has an absolutely rad teacher (world accredited) for each style.
Anyways, here ya go guize. I train at the private RVCA facility in Costa Mesa. I get to meet and train with professional fighters alot. My two professors are Allan Goes and James Casas (his first black belt).
'Razor' Rob McCullough
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Michael 'The Count' Bisping
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The man, the legend... BJ Penn
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First picture is most recent, last is..well. last.
Sweet pics dude.
Hope to move to Cali myself one day. Its a giant martial arts/surfing mecca.
lmfao i never noticed how massive bj's jaw was
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