Didn't know RVCA was brand that supported MMA let alone had a private facility to train it.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;37994844]Didn't know RVCA was brand that supported MMA let alone had a private facility to train it.[/QUOTE]
serious? BJ Penn has his own RVCA line of gear, (google image search bj penn rvca and you'll find masses of shit) vitor belfort has quite a few signature shirts as well
they're not sponsoring BJ anymore though for some reason
you didn't hear it from me
and this facility is used by lots of dudes, when the nogueria brothers come to cali they train with Allan here. the nogs, bisping, kendall grove, bj penn, sometimes anderson silva (haven't seen him), team punishment's boxing coach Jason Padilla trains alot of dudes here as well. We have a few golden glove boxers, some dudes that fight in K1, lots of jiu jitsu champs. RVCA's owner, Pat Tenore, is a BJJ Black belt himself. He got it from Allan Goes.
[editline]11th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37994496]lmfao i never noticed how massive bj's jaw was[/QUOTE]
yeah i laughed, cause i have a giant barbarian jaw and his makes mine look like the jawless wonder of the world
Just took my first class of Brazilian Jiu-Jitzu, was a lot of fun. What is everyone's opinions on BJJ?
[QUOTE=Rob Markia;38002757]Just took my first class of Brazilian Jiu-Jitzu, was a lot of fun. What is everyone's opinions on BJJ?[/QUOTE]
good
[QUOTE=Rob Markia;38002757]Just took my first class of Brazilian Jiu-Jitzu, was a lot of fun. What is everyone's opinions on BJJ?[/QUOTE]
IMO the best place to start (other than wrestling). the last place you want to be in a fight is on the ground, on your back. why not train that position?
the best place to start is wrestling though. it teaches you control, how to control your opponent, dictate his actions through simple movements, clinch game, trip take downs, take downs, defending takedowns, scrambling, and your fitness SOOOOOOOOOARSSSSSS
i went wrestling - b jiu jitsu - boxing/bjj - no gi bjj/kickboxing - back to pure bjj. it's my favorite art, although muay thai with wrestling knowledge becomes a powerhouse
[QUOTE=Rob Markia;38002757]Just took my first class of Brazilian Jiu-Jitzu, was a lot of fun. What is everyone's opinions on BJJ?[/QUOTE]
my opinion? It's looks like gay sex, but you don't have to think of this when doing it, becouse it gets ugly.
Bbj is 0 on the streets.
Bjj is good to build muscles, because u use all body parts. But you can go to body building gym and do muscles.
[editline]12th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;38003397]good[/QUOTE]
that's all you say? good? You must be super expert in this.
[QUOTE=Wolfz;38011462]my opinion? It's looks like gay sex, but you don't have to think of this when doing it, becouse it gets ugly.
Bbj is 0 on the streets.
Bjj is good to build muscles, because u use all body parts. But you can go to body building gym and do muscles.
[editline]12th October 2012[/editline]
that's all you say? good? You must be super expert in this.[/QUOTE]
bjj is zero on the streets?
alright, lemme fight you then
we'll see just how zero it is when i slam you, escape all your "submission" attempts, pass your "guard" and put you in a mounted triangle and reign down elbows to your nose/face
like i said, the last place you want to be in a street fight is on your back, so why not train from there?
and i have been lifting since i was 13. I am incredibly strong, i have incredible muscle stamina, explosiveness, strength, flexibility and all that adds into my mental mind set of not being able to be beat.
BUT NOTHING WILL CHANGE YOUR BODY LIKE BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU WILL. it works muscles you could only hope to work with weights, it makes your body flexible, gives you unerring stamina, you learn how to use your legs like arms (serious, once you get into spider guard territory it becomes beautiful. my legs are no longer legs, they are fully functioning limbs with their own minds), you get a mental fortitude that nothing else except for military training/other martial arts can give you, the ability to stay calm, cool, and collected when under stress.
someone puts you in a guillotine and you're untrained, you freak out and try to get them off you, which usually just sinks the choke in deeper.
you're trained? you go into your happy place. you take short, controlled breaths. you begin to position yourself to escape. you keep pressure on your opponents chest with your shoulders and head. then your instructors voice rings out in your head the trained escape technique.
and then all of a sudden, BAM, you're in half guard with a head and arm choke ready to be executed.
[QUOTE=Wolfz;38011462]my opinion? It's looks like gay sex, but you don't have to think of this when doing it, becouse it gets ugly.
Bbj is 0 on the streets.
Bjj is good to build muscles, because u use all body parts. But you can go to body building gym and do muscles.
[editline]12th October 2012[/editline]
that's all you say? good? You must be super expert in this.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I think your post is the complete opposite.
If I got in a fight with someone, the second the fight hits the ground, I win. If the guy has zero training in bjj or mma in general, he loses.
I train/teach part time at this little tiny mma club at my university, and I shit you not, just 2 hours ago two 190 pound bodybuilders walked in thinking they were the shit. I rolled with them both about 6 times each back to back, and every time I would submit them in less than 15-20 seconds. Keep in mind, I'm a 6 ft 155 pound lightweight.
If you don't have any ground experience (aka random guy on the street) , you're not going to know what to defend. Every new person I've rolled with/fought they ALWAYS have a limb out flailing in the open just screaming "ARMBAR THE SHIT OUT OF ME".
Before I did BJJ I lifted and shit and I was like 172ish or whatever, but after switching from lifting to BJJ I've honestly lost almost all my muscle. But I can still kick ass so its all good.
On another note, after watching your "video" of your instructor, I can conclude that neither you nor your instructor know shit about fighting or real martial arts.
BJJ is dumb in a self defense situation. Being on the ground is literally the last place I would want to be when my life is under threat. It's still a tool worth adding to your belt regardless.
That said wolfz you sensei is robbing you blind and he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag, so shut the fuck up.
[editline]13th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rob Markia;38002757]Just took my first class of Brazilian Jiu-Jitzu, was a lot of fun. What is everyone's opinions on BJJ?[/QUOTE]
Fantastic martial art, fantastic sport if you are looking to get into MMA.
As a self defense option however, it's seriously flawed and potentially dangerous to rely on. That's not to say you shouldn't learn it, everyone should learn how to maneuver off the ground, but it is absolutely the last place i would want to be. But people, especially new BJJ students have a nasty habit of assuming that because it works extremely well in MMA (a sport) it must also work in real life.
Problem is in real life there are no referees, there are no rules and there is usually more than one opponent, not to mention weapons and what not.
I had to defend myself on the streets in a real situation about a couple of times. But I only started to do so after a year of experience in KM, cause seriously it aint worth getting stabbed or shot over the change in your pockets.
In those two events it was either 3vs 1 (me being the 1) or 4 vs 1.
First thing that happens is that you shit your pants the moment you see them coming, and you enter the so called fight or flight (?) situation. You either fight or run the fuck out of there like a bat outta hell.
So you have to try to stay calm as you feel the adrenaline and rage getting on to you.
This is the hardest part, at least for me it was, the part in which you have to stay calm.
And then the moment they lay a finger on you is the exact moment you should start releasing the artillery on them.
And you must always remember not to attack, always defend and counter hard and fast, it's them who want your shit it's them who are gonna have to take it.
And yeah, they can be street thugs but streets thugs have street smarts and they can still pack a big punch and conceal weapons better than you thank, so guard a safe distance that permits you to either evade and go in to disarm.
Got a weird situation in the metro against 2 guys about my age (21/22) and they were able to, after some struggling take the money in my pockets because of the simple fact that me, the "Krav Maga yellow belt" was sitting with my legs stretched forward, mp3 in ears and hands in pockets.
They were able to sit both left to me and in front of me without me even noticing they were up to no good and I couldn't do a thing.
I immediately jumped up to try to stand, but the metro was oscillating so much that I fell on the floor and they were able to hold me and reach my pocket.
So right now, I'm only siting in benches next to the exits or standing so I can see who comes in and out as well as take a good look at them so I can later on give a good report to the police.
This was a case that went terribly wrong and could happen to any of you. In fact it could have come out very worse.
So the conclusion here is, no matter how much you think you know, if in the end you assume postures that put you in jeopardy, you'll become vulnerable.
This other episode in which I was able to punch my way out was at night while I was walking home with a friend.
3 guys, way bigger and scary than us were walking in the opposite direction and started to bump their shoulders in ours, pushing us out of their way. We both did nothing and carried on our way.
Right after that, we hear a voice behind us "Oi! Watch were you walk, ya hear me?!". We didn't answer and kept on going.
The guy was like "Oi! I'm talking to you, turn around and stay there", we kept going.
the guy then picks up a sidewalk rock (the sidewalks here are made of small stones joined with others in cement, we call it "calçada" (google it), and it's very common that some stones come off with time and lay on the sidewalk. The guy picks one and throws at us and says : "The next one's going directly to your head!" so we stopped and faced them.
Guy was holding the stone and dropped it on the floor. He was at about 10 meters from us and started running towards us with his 2 friends. I was scared shitless to be honest, but as soon as one of his friends reach out to me and starts grabbing me, the basic shit I learned in Krav Maga just popped out and worked like a charm. I pulled down his hands, kicked him as hard as I could with my shank and bam, as he cowered with the pain, I threw him a couple of knees to the face and started chocking the guy with my arm leaving him in between me and the other 2 guys.
I said "back off" and started choking the guy harder and as they backed off I released him and we both ran the fuck outta there.
I never went out at night in that place ever again since then.
But, after this cautionary tale, (sorry) I kinda wonder, how does one develop such a huge chin as those mma fighters in the photos?
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38018982]But, after this cautionary tale, (sorry) I kinda wonder,[B] how does one develop such a huge chin as those mma fighters in the photos?[/B][/QUOTE]
Part of it is genetics or a bit of actual conditioning of the bones and such, but the other part is rolling with the punches to a degree.
Just like how some drunk drivers don't actually get injured in a car crash because they are all relaxed, as appose to being timid and stiff. If you essentially flinch at a strike, it can hurt you more than if you relaxed and just rolled with it.
Now most knockout punches are the ones you don't see, so it's not like being relaxed is everything. Basically everyone who works on striking tries to find a happy medium of identifying when and when not to take a strike, along with being able to block or move out of the way of strikes.
EDIT: I just realized you probably were just talking about BJ Penn's chin size, and not the toughness of a chin......whatever
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38018982]
But, after this cautionary tale, (sorry) I kinda wonder, how does one develop such a huge chin as those mma fighters in the photos?[/QUOTE]
genetics
or maybe androgenic steroids from a very young age lmfao
I've got some Jujutsu under my belt and alot of boxing.
I rely on my boxing alot in street fights mostly because as Jaeger said, being on the ground is the worst place you want to be so I try my best not to let it happen. Boxing is usually enough because it's a great striking art but if shit happens and end up to the ground, that jujutsu will help me much more than boxing ever will down on the concrete.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;38019695]
EDIT: I just realized you probably were just talking about BJ Penn's chin size, and not the toughness of a chin......whatever[/QUOTE]
No problem. That pretty much answered my question. Thanks!
I'm thinking about getting into kickbox, can anyone give me some general info and such? Also, I do realize it's KICKbox, but still - do you EVER use your hands at it?
Apologies for the stupid question
[QUOTE=w0lfeh;38036393]I'm thinking about getting into kickbox, can anyone give me some general info and such? Also, I do realize it's KICKbox, but still - do you EVER use your hands at it?
Apologies for the stupid question[/QUOTE]
Of course you don't use your hands. You just stand there like an idiot getting kicked in the face.
Starting back into muay thai and bjj again. Excited to get beaten up because I haven't been in the martial arts scene since early July.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38037529]Of course you don't use your hands. You just stand there like an idiot getting kicked in the face.[/QUOTE]
I worded it badly, sorry.What I'm meaning to ask is, exactly how much do you use your hands? Of course you'll use them for blocking, but what about attacking and such?
Of course you use them. Why are you asking something that you can easily find out about in youtube?
But in case the name isn't self explanatory enough, it's Kick + Boxing, which means it's boxing with the ability to kick.
Here, take a look:
[video=youtube;NrZM6JlkjFs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrZM6JlkjFs[/video]
I kinda wanna train with this guy, if just for a day. Maybe pretend I don't know shit about boxing.
[video=youtube;NrZM6JlkjFs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CrRGphga5s[/video]
I don't like that sink or swim approach to boxing, i get that there are people who it comes naturally to but you might be missing an opportunity by assuming people will pick it up like that.
Not those guys in the video though, they looked terrible...
I've been boxing for a while, and I admit I'm not the best at it, but damn do I at least try to get my FORM right. It's like those guys don't even practice at home. They just show up and expect results.
I've taken shaolin kempo karate a year now and I'm almost half way to black, I'll probably test for my next rank (Green belt) in December so I'm jazzed for that.
[QUOTE=Shadowwalker;38082571]I've taken shaolin kempo karate a year now and I'm almost half way to black, I'll probably test for my next rank (Green belt) in December so I'm jazzed for that.[/QUOTE]
What's your rank now and at what rate do ranks progress pending if you have all the material/skills down to progress to the next rank?
Got my 2nd Degree Black Belt in tae kwon do but quit when i developed knee issues
[QUOTE=NO ONE;38082627]What's your rank now and at what rate do ranks progress pending if you have all the material/skills down to progress to the next rank?[/QUOTE]
Blue belt with a green stripe, But what do you mean by that last part?
[QUOTE=Shadowwalker;38082990]Blue belt with a green stripe, But what do you mean by that last part?[/QUOTE]
Well like where I do Karate, for White-Purple, if you don't have any trouble picking up the material you need to test for your next belt, you can progress to the next rank in 3 months. From Blue belt on, it's six months minimum in between ranks.
Is there some sort of minimum amount of time between ranks where you go?
[QUOTE=NO ONE;38088161]Well like where I do Karate, for White-Purple, if you don't have any trouble picking up the material you need to test for your next belt, you can progress to the next rank in 3 months. From Blue belt on, it's six months minimum in between ranks.
Is there some sort of minimum amount of time between ranks where you go?[/QUOTE]
No, If you get the material down and have refined it enough then you can test, It just so happens that the next test is in December. Also how do the ranks in your system go in color?
[QUOTE=Shadowwalker;38088381]No, If you get the material down and have refined it enough then you can test, It just so happens that the next test is in December. Also how do the ranks in your system go in color?[/QUOTE]
White
Yellow
Orange
Purple
Blue
1st Green
2nd Green
3rd Brown
2nd Brown
1st Brown
Black
Why my instructor made multiple levels for Green and Brown instead of just keeping people at those ranks longer is beside me. I'm 1st Brown though.
Also, not sure if I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I do Shaolin Kenpo as well.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;38089347]White
Yellow
Orange
Purple
Blue
1st Green
2nd Green
3rd Brown
2nd Brown
1st Brown
Black
Why my instructor made multiple levels for Green and Brown instead of just keeping people at those ranks longer is beside me. I'm 1st Brown though.
Also, not sure if I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I do Shaolin Kenpo as well.[/QUOTE]
My school does the 1st a and 2nd for blue and green so I think that's probably in all systems.
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