• Martial Arts
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Why would you avoid 'em ?
[QUOTE=Seith;33274229]Why would you avoid 'em ?[/QUOTE] Because Krav Maga is probably the biggest current sufferer of McDojoism. It's gotten to the point where you can only really trust you are getting the real deal if you go to Israel.
[QUOTE=Seith;33274087]I presume there are basics you go through in each and every MA. What would those basics be? What kind of... stability, foot, hand, face, dick movements would a MA trainer recommend a complete newbie to do ?[/QUOTE] Do lots of cardio. Whatever ma your doing, be able to last all of those rounds. Your instuctor should tell you what stuff to do via foot, hand, dick, etc.
[QUOTE=Seith;33274229]Why would you avoid 'em ?[/QUOTE] Well maybe they are better in Israel, but honestly, I still don't know about that ma.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;33279638]Well maybe they are better in Israel, but honestly, I still don't know about that ma.[/QUOTE] I think the hoopla about Krav Maga is overrated. At the end of the day, it's boxing + judo applied with a measure of real conflict awareness. The main thing any good krav school is offering, is mentality. The goal is to get you to be able to be proactive and aggressive in situations where the first instinct for a lot of people is to freeze up or be taken by surprise. This isn't to say the art is bad in any way, I like many things about it and the no BS approach, but it suffers badly from mcdojosim outside of Israel. Also a major gripe I have with the WHOLE "reality self defence" market is the lack of appreciation for mastering a skill set. The idea that you can take a person with no prior experience, and train them up with a few lessons is ridiculous. It's like guys who come into boxing gyms for 3 months, think they know something, and then go get their ass kicked. They didn't know shit in reality, because 3 months is fuck all time to make something that isn't natural, become 2nd nature. Comparatively if I take a guy whose been fighting for 3 years, it will be second nature to him, he will react without needing to use a high level of cognitive function. Actually this is a problem I have with a LOT of martial arts in general. A guy gets his black belt in karate after a few years of training (poorly) a few nights of the week, and suddenly he's "mastered" that shit? Pro fighters have fucking years of amateur fights and then a decade of pro fights, and they train EVERY FUCKING DAY. By the time they retire, many have 15+ years of real experience and hard sweat. I hate the whole "soft" sector of the martial arts market. If you really want to learn how to fight, you need to be dedicated and willing to get your ass kicked and sweat your hole out over the years. The idea that you can train one or two nights a week without getting out of your comfort zone and be a "black belt!!! :))" in a few years is the worst thing to happen to martial arts. Wow I'm on a roll today.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33281350]I think the hoopla about Krav Maga is overrated. At the end of the day, it's boxing + judo applied with a measure of real conflict awareness. The main thing any good krav school is offering, is mentality. The goal is to get you to be able to be proactive and aggressive in situations where the first instinct for a lot of people is to freeze up or be taken by surprise. This isn't to say the art is bad in any way, I like many things about it and the no BS approach, but it suffers badly from mcdojosim outside of Israel. Also a major gripe I have with the WHOLE "reality self defence" market is the lack of appreciation for mastering a skill set. The idea that you can take a person with no prior experience, and train them up with a few lessons is ridiculous. It's like guys who come into boxing gyms for 3 months, think they know something, and then go get their ass kicked. They didn't know shit in reality, because 3 months is fuck all time to make something that isn't natural, become 2nd nature. Comparatively if I take a guy whose been fighting for 3 years, it will be second nature to him, he will react without needing to use a high level of cognitive function. Actually this is a problem I have with a LOT of martial arts in general. A guy gets his black belt in karate after a few years of training (poorly) a few nights of the week, and suddenly he's "mastered" that shit? Pro fighters have fucking years of amateur fights and then a decade of pro fights, and they train EVERY FUCKING DAY. By the time they retire, many have 15+ years of real experience and hard sweat. I hate the whole "soft" sector of the martial arts market. If you really want to learn how to fight, you need to be dedicated and willing to get your ass kicked and sweat your hole out over the years. The idea that you can train one or two nights a week without getting out of your comfort zone and be a "black belt!!! :))" in a few years is the worst thing to happen to martial arts. Wow I'm on a roll today.[/QUOTE] pretty much this. Gotta love the guys who claim to be blackbelts in karate/Taekwondo, like it means something heh.
Good information. I was looking for the general guidelines a trainer might teach a guy when he first starts any MA. Which, apparently, sums up in being able to run. Good, I shall outrun my enemies.
[QUOTE=Seith;33284002]Good information. I was looking for the general guidelines a trainer might teach a guy when he first starts any MA. Which, apparently, sums up in being able to run. Good, I shall outrun my enemies.[/QUOTE] yup you have to be able to run. basic instincts "Fight or Flee"
[QUOTE=Seith;33284002]Good information. I was looking for the general guidelines a trainer might teach a guy when he first starts any MA. Which, apparently, sums up in being able to run. Good, I shall outrun my enemies.[/QUOTE] Yeah ehh.... If I went into a gym and the instructor did the cliche of having the students run laps around the building because you run first before you fight, I would do a 360 and turn the other way as soon as possible. I would be joining a gym to learn to fight/ fight competitively, not run laps.
It does get your cardiovascular system going i guess though. so it does help
[QUOTE=Ryz0;33300746]It does get your cardiovascular system going i guess though. so it does help[/QUOTE] warmup != teaching us how to run from bad guys
Eh, I'll bite. Been taking Shotokan for a little while now, did TKD forever ago. Thinking about moving to either Aikido or Chinese Kick Boxing.
I'd say Chinese Kick Boxing
Been doing Shaolin Kenpo Karate for 2.5 years. I'm a 3rd Brown Belt right now. Started up at a MMA gym in Late August. Love it, but I'm stopping until January because it's about 30mins away from me and driving that far in the winter will be a huge bitch. I also don't exactly have a job right now, so I can't even pay the very reasonable tuition. I've basically been doing BJJ/no gi grappling for about as long as I've been doing Karate. Wish I had a decent amount of media to share with you guys, but I don't.
I was swaying closer to it, since a bro took it before taking Shotokan at the same time as me, Wing Chun was also a choice, but whatever.
My favourite part of any martial art really is breakfalls and acrobatics. Can't get enough of it. I'm tempted to take up gymnastics again aha
Shaolin kempo, more than a year now. Time flows so fast.
I do wrestling for a martial arts. Well it's more of a sport for me, but it's consider a martial art.
i could never really get into wrestling, probably because i had a shit instructor
[QUOTE=Ryz0;33355320]i could never really get into wrestling, probably because i had a shit instructor[/QUOTE] I have 3 coaches, and they are pretty good. One of them got to go to smac and placed 2nd(Should of gotten 1st). But let me tell you it's hard work(at least to me) I loose like 4 pounds a practice. But it's worth especially when your own coach tells you he's proud about how much progress you've made.
[QUOTE=zynga1;33357545]I have 3 coaches, and they are pretty good. One of them got to go to smac and placed 2nd(Should of gotten 1st). But let me tell you it's hard work(at least to me) I loose like 4 pounds a practice. But it's worth especially when your own coach tells you he's proud about how much progress you've made.[/QUOTE] my instructor was a bin man who just did it for the cash :(
I joined a gym that teaches jeet kune do, pencak silat, muay thai, brazilian juijitsu and kali escrima. I've been to plenty of "McDojos" and so far this one I've joined recently is the best. I've been learning muay thai since late July and really enjoy it. I started bjj two weeks ago and I was wondering what tips you folks may have for it.
[QUOTE=blacksam;33375586]I joined a gym that teaches jeet kune do, pencak silat, muay thai, brazilian juijitsu and kali escrima. I've been to plenty of "McDojos" and so far this one I've joined recently is the best. I've been learning muay thai since late July and really enjoy it. I started bjj two weeks ago and I was wondering what tips you folks may have for it.[/QUOTE] Work on shrimping like a mother fucker. You start off on your back being mounted because that is a very common position. Remember to be patient (don't rush submissions or techniques), and remember position before submission.
[QUOTE=blacksam;33375586]I joined a gym that teaches jeet kune do, pencak silat, muay thai, brazilian juijitsu and kali escrima. I've been to plenty of "McDojos" and so far this one I've joined recently is the best. I've been learning muay thai since late July and really enjoy it. I started bjj two weeks ago and I was wondering what tips you folks may have for it.[/QUOTE] for bjj. Just be cool and don't try to muscle everything. Don't forget to breath.
Started Tae-Kwon-Do recently, it's good fun with my friend who is a black belt, he is showing me the proper form for everything. It's a good workout too.
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;34583031]Started Tae-Kwon-Do recently, it's good fun with my friend who is a black belt, he is showing me the proper form for everything. It's a good workout too.[/QUOTE] Don't want to sound like a negative nancy, but don't take everything he teaches you as the complete right way to do things. A lot of people make the mistake of assuming black belt = master level when a black belt is more akin to a bachelor's degree in college. It pretty much means you've learned the basics, but still have a lot to learn. I'm sure he has a lot of knowledge to offer you and you probably can't go wrong when learning basic techniques from him, but don't assume you have perfect form when he says you do. He still has a lot to learn as well.
kung fu from shaolin disciple, boxing and TKD
Hm. There's this MMA club that I plan on joining, it looks really interesting. I know plenty about fighting, grappling, striking and I have some really good judo techniques that I've been learning from a friend's coach. The only problem is I'm out of shape as [b]fuck[/b] and I have no idea what kind of workouts I can to to improve my strength and keep my cardio up, what kind of ratio to work at (strength:cardio). I also need to get bigger. Should I get bigger simply through diet and the workouts I do, or should I work on solely getting bigger and then moving onto conditioning and strength workouts? Really new to MMA training and what kind of shape I need to be in.
[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;34611870]Hm. There's this MMA club that I plan on joining, it looks really interesting. I know plenty about fighting, grappling, striking and I have some really good judo techniques that I've been learning from a friend's coach. The only problem is I'm out of shape as [b]fuck[/b] and I have no idea what kind of workouts I can to to improve my strength and keep my cardio up, what kind of ratio to work at (strength:cardio). I also need to get bigger. Should I get bigger simply through diet and the workouts I do, or should I work on solely getting bigger and then moving onto conditioning and strength workouts? Really new to MMA training and what kind of shape I need to be in.[/QUOTE] Just give it a go man. A lot of people joins a dojo even though they ain't in the best shape. You're new, people don't expect you to be buffed or have a natural talent, just do your best at the training and everybody goes home happy. Not everyone is Mr. Super Knockout 2000, there's alot of people that focus on their throws, locks or their ground-fighting techniques instead.
[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;34611870]Hm. There's this MMA club that I plan on joining, it looks really interesting. I know plenty about fighting, grappling, striking and I have some really good judo techniques that I've been learning from a friend's coach. The only problem is I'm out of shape as [b]fuck[/b] and I have no idea what kind of workouts I can to to improve my strength and keep my cardio up, what kind of ratio to work at (strength:cardio). I also need to get bigger. Should I get bigger simply through diet and the workouts I do, or should I work on solely getting bigger and then moving onto conditioning and strength workouts? Really new to MMA training and what kind of shape I need to be in.[/QUOTE] Being out of shape isn't a problem as long as you have the attitude to change it. Join that club and before you know it you'll be in shape
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