• Martial Arts
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That "systema punch" video isn't anything specific to systema. Good punches in any martial art are powerful, yet relaxed. Boxers (good ones) don't throw stiff punches where they're flexing as hard as possible. Force is mass x acceleration squared. Boxers understand this. Double the mass behind a punch and you double the power. Double the speed and you quadruple the power. Maximizing speed is all about staying relaxed. Ensuring the most optimal transfer of energy is all about staying relaxed. If you're tense, energy is lost due to the stiffness of your muscles. It also puts more stress on your joints when you are tight. That's why people who are drunk actually tend to survive crashes, because their body stays relaxed during the impact. Sean Sherk is one of the prime examples of someone who boxes stiff. His punches never had any power despite his strength advantage in his weight class because he threw them incredibly stiff. They'd look crisp to onlookers, but most fighters shook them off unfazed. Then you have guys like Anderson Silva. Prime example of fighting relaxed. When he popped Forrest Griffin on the chin, it looked like a love tap. Yet, since he was throwing it relaxed, it actually hit much harder. That's not a technique unique to Systema, it's just striking 101.
Fucking A I had an intense sparring class tonight at Karate. I REALLY have to work on defending my mid section, and stop fucking walking in to kicks. I wasn't fucking horrible tonight, and I did have some guys running back because I put some good pressure on them, but my real big downfall tonight was kick defense. I guess I got hit so many times tonight in the stomach and shit that I started wheezing once or twice. And before you ask, I don't have asthma, and my cardio is pretty decent. Never had this happened to me, and this wasn't the first night I took punishment to the gut.
Sometimes you get popped in the solar plexus and your diaphragm has a hard time recovering, it happens. Keep your elbows in tight to your body and don't stand square with your opponent, your midsection will be mostly covered. Plus, they might catch their foot on your elbows which doesn't feel good regardless of how well your feet/shins are conditioned.
what's an enjoyable martial art that can get you into shape as I'm pretty unfit at the moment and I feel like I need to take up something. At the moment I was thinking Muay Thai, but have you guys got any suggestions?
[QUOTE=NO ONE;35015577]Fucking A I had an intense sparring class tonight at Karate. I REALLY have to work on defending my mid section, and stop fucking walking in to kicks. I wasn't fucking horrible tonight, and I did have some guys running back because I put some good pressure on them, but my real big downfall tonight was kick defense. I guess I got hit so many times tonight in the stomach and shit that I started wheezing once or twice. And before you ask, I don't have asthma, and my cardio is pretty decent. Never had this happened to me, and this wasn't the first night I took punishment to the gut.[/QUOTE] intense sparring.... karate...? [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bert the Turtle;35018082]what's an enjoyable martial art that can get you into shape as I'm pretty unfit at the moment and I feel like I need to take up something. At the moment I was thinking Muay Thai, but have you guys got any suggestions?[/QUOTE] people who are unfit have a higher percentage to drop out of a gym when starting. If you don't have motivation to stay healthy and in shape, then its unlikely that you will be willing to have motivation to stay in a gym after getting your ass handed to you day and night. but to answer your question, take your pick. Gyms often allow free weeks or free sit in sessions ( some times paid). Go around and sample out some of the gyms. Be warned of signs of mcdojos though.
I've always wanted to check out a martial art of some sort, but I have one question. Would this actually help you in defending yourself, or is this just like some kind of exercise regime?
[QUOTE=KnightVista;35019949]I've always wanted to check out a martial art of some sort, but I have one question. Would this actually help you in defending yourself, or is this just like some kind of exercise regime?[/QUOTE] The biggest advantage doing martial arts gives you is the ability to stay calm. Often, when people fight, it's just pumping adrenaline and instinct. They aren't thinking, "What's the best way to handle this?" the only thing running through their mind is, "Hit him in the face/tackle him." No matter what art you do, accustoming your mind to combat gives you a massive advantage. Not only does it make you more able to react accordingly, but it keeps you from developing the serious tunnel vision people get, which is why cheapshots happen. Of course, this takes years of training to develop, you're not going to be a fighting machine overnight. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bert the Turtle;35018082]what's an enjoyable martial art that can get you into shape as I'm pretty unfit at the moment and I feel like I need to take up something. At the moment I was thinking Muay Thai, but have you guys got any suggestions?[/QUOTE] If you're out of shape, I'd suggest BJJ. It's good cardio but nothing that'll make you die from exhaustion. Not only that, but it's relatively low-impact so, while your limbs might be sore the next day, you won't look like a 3 week old banana either. Muay Thai is a punishing art; if you're out of shape, you're going to take a beating. I suggest developing your cardio and general toughness for a while before jumping into Muay Thai, it's brutal.
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;35020483]The biggest advantage doing martial arts gives you is the ability to stay calm. Often, when people fight, it's just pumping adrenaline and instinct. They aren't thinking, "What's the best way to handle this?" the only thing running through their mind is, "Hit him in the face/tackle him." No matter what art you do, accustoming your mind to combat gives you a massive advantage. Not only does it make you more able to react accordingly, but it keeps you from developing the serious tunnel vision people get, which is why cheapshots happen. Of course, this takes years of training to develop, you're not going to be a fighting machine overnight. [editline]6th March 2012[/editline] If you're out of shape, I'd suggest BJJ. It's good cardio but nothing that'll make you die from exhaustion. Not only that, but it's relatively low-impact so, while your limbs might be sore the next day, you won't look like a 3 week old banana either. Muay Thai is a punishing art; if you're out of shape, you're going to take a beating. I suggest developing your cardio and general toughness for a while before jumping into Muay Thai, it's brutal.[/QUOTE] oh yeah, I've sparred with a pretty good kickboxer using some muay thai technique. goddamn kicks were brutal and he kept his stance tight. once i got him tied up it was a breeze tho. principle still stands: he gave me a goddamn workout haha
Interesting how it got easier when you tied him up, if he knows Muay Thai then he should have done some nasty clinch work on you as well.
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;35028352]Interesting how it got easier when you tied him up, if he knows Muay Thai then he should have done some nasty clinch work on you as well.[/QUOTE] guy is out of practice but yes it should have gone like that. i have sparred with a few people who apparently at some point in time have done muay thai. One guy I know is alright but his stance is too loose and his hands too low for the kind of training he claims to have done. possibly went to a mcdojo or just got way out of practice. only person I've gone up against that lived up to his claims is a friend of mine with something like 10-12 years real experience (as in training, tournaments, and competition) and damn he was a hard fight. Best I ended up doing out of three rounds was resisting his clinch work and submissions. he's well versed in both striking and grappling.
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;35028755] Best I ended up doing out of three rounds was resisting his clinch work and submissions. he's well versed in both striking and grappling.[/QUOTE] Muay Thai clinch. I was up against "Mr. Clean." He smelled awful. Not to mention he was the size of a SUV. He got me in a clinch and before I knew it I got straight knees and fell over.
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;35013816]That "systema punch" video isn't anything specific to systema. Good punches in any martial art are powerful, yet relaxed. Boxers (good ones) don't throw stiff punches where they're flexing as hard as possible. Force is mass x acceleration squared. Boxers understand this. Double the mass behind a punch and you double the power. Double the speed and you quadruple the power. Maximizing speed is all about staying relaxed. Ensuring the most optimal transfer of energy is all about staying relaxed. If you're tense, energy is lost due to the stiffness of your muscles. It also puts more stress on your joints when you are tight. That's why people who are drunk actually tend to survive crashes, because their body stays relaxed during the impact. Sean Sherk is one of the prime examples of someone who boxes stiff. His punches never had any power despite his strength advantage in his weight class because he threw them incredibly stiff. They'd look crisp to onlookers, but most fighters shook them off unfazed. Then you have guys like Anderson Silva. Prime example of fighting relaxed. When he popped Forrest Griffin on the chin, it looked like a love tap. Yet, since he was throwing it relaxed, it actually hit much harder. That's not a technique unique to Systema, it's just striking 101.[/QUOTE] I see now. After doing some research I found out that Systema isn't in fact used by the spetznaz. I'd like to do some combat sambo too but it isn't available in my country. I'm staying in Krav Maga. I'm making a lot of progress and I see that my teacher always insists in us being relaxed. Krav Maga is really great as a defense system when practiced by a real federation. I strongly recomend it.
[QUOTE=blacksam;35064176]Muay Thai clinch. I was up against "Mr. Clean." He smelled awful. Not to mention he was the size of a SUV. He got me in a clinch and before I knew it I got straight knees and fell over.[/QUOTE] that one guy I sparred with was mostly into JKD. the styles he borrowed from were mostly greco-roman wrestling, BJJ, boxing and wing chun. I don't know exactly what he did, but it made it hard as fuck to resist his takedowns from the standing clinch. he was good.
I have been studying Okinawan Seidokan karate for about a year now. My Sensei says every mixed martial artist needs a good base martial art, so i chose karate. I also dabble with some bjj, kickboxing, classic boxing, and muy thai, classes everyday. Seidokan is a mix of Motobu-ryu karate, Tuite Jujutsu (which hurts like a mother!) and Okinawan katas. It is used for self defence but I also find it I excel far more than the other people in my class who believe in the "Only BJJ and Muy Thai is key in MMA" concept that the UFC has adopted. I recently just won my first sanctioned kickboxing match and cant wait for the next. One more year until I can legally fight in the cage. Fighting is a lifestyle now. Happy sparring :dance:
Had a few really good spars today. My kickboxing is improving rapidly, I am amazed at how far dedication to the sport can go. I also have been working on my thai clinching which has really helped. I was able to launch a really nice spinning backfist after a jab-hook combo too. Got my partner good with knees from the thai clinch. Man I am really starting to love martial arts. [editline]11th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MMASeidokan;35085882]I have been studying Okinawan Seidokan karate for about a year now. My Sensei says every mixed martial artist needs a good base martial art, so i chose karate. I also dabble with some bjj, kickboxing, classic boxing, and muy thai, classes everyday. Seidokan is a mix of Motobu-ryu karate, Tuite Jujutsu (which hurts like a mother!) and Okinawan katas. It is used for self defence but I also find it I excel far more than the other people in my class who believe in the "Only BJJ and Muy Thai is key in MMA" concept that the UFC has adopted. I recently just won my first sanctioned kickboxing match and cant wait for the next. One more year until I can legally fight in the cage. Fighting is a lifestyle now. Happy sparring :dance:[/QUOTE] My style sounds similar to Tuite Jujutsu (that has to do with close, short range strikes and blocking right?) from the little bit I read on Wikipedia. I feel more comfortable the closer I am to my opponent because it allows me to be more aggressive and accurate with my combos. We went full contact today for the first proper time with my new 14 oz. gloves (they are so niceeee) and mouthgards. I tore shit up haha. Lots of clinch work and dirty boxing mixed with leg and body kicks, knees, and a good spinning backfist. It just feels so natural to me.
"The original Okinawan fighting arts included a multitude of techniques that involved joint manipulation (Tuite-Jitsu) and vital point striking (Kyusho-Jitsu). Tuite-Jitsu techniques involve manipulation of an opponent's susceptible joints to extreme ranges of motion to induce pain compliance and possible injury to the joint, if necessary for self defense. Since most assaults begin with grabs, punches or kicks, the joints of the fingers, wrist, elbow and shoulder (and legs to a lesser extent) are typically utilized for self defense applications." That's basically it (: Say if we were in a bar and some drunk bastard tries to push me, well the next time he puts his hand on me i grab his wrist and gently torque it while he flips onto the ground. Then, still holding his arm up drive my knee into his tricep or shoulder and tell him to please kindly fuck off or i will kill you (: But I could also just knock his ass out! I think the first way is more pain inflicting and thats always better if someones trying to hurt you. :wink: But in other words, the karate has drastically helped with my kicking speed and power and i can now throw crescent kicks with ease. My boxing trainer has had 129 amatuer fights and only lost 10, he has been in the junior olympics hes pretty good lol. But we go over dirty boxing time and time again and i just feel like im flowing more with my whole fighting style. And i love sparring too, just tearing shit up in a cage is fucking awesome!
[QUOTE=MMASeidokan;35088313]"The original Okinawan fighting arts included a multitude of techniques that involved joint manipulation (Tuite-Jitsu) and vital point striking (Kyusho-Jitsu). Tuite-Jitsu techniques involve manipulation of an opponent's susceptible joints to extreme ranges of motion to induce pain compliance and possible injury to the joint, if necessary for self defense. Since most assaults begin with grabs, punches or kicks, the joints of the fingers, wrist, elbow and shoulder (and legs to a lesser extent) are typically utilized for self defense applications." That's basically it (: Say if we were in a bar and some drunk bastard tries to push me, well the next time he puts his hand on me i grab his wrist and gently torque it while he flips onto the ground. Then, still holding his arm up drive my knee into his tricep or shoulder and tell him to please kindly fuck off or i will kill you (: But I could also just knock his ass out! I think the first way is more pain inflicting and thats always better if someones trying to hurt you. :wink: But in other words, the karate has drastically helped with my kicking speed and power and i can now throw crescent kicks with ease. My boxing trainer has had 129 amatuer fights and only lost 10, he has been in the junior olympics hes pretty good lol. But we go over dirty boxing time and time again and i just feel like im flowing more with my whole fighting style. And i love sparring too, just tearing shit up in a cage is fucking awesome![/QUOTE] Haha you and I sound like we have a lot in common. Yes, I love how every spar my style feels more fluent and natural. I'm starting to tie together dirty boxing with my Thai clinch work and leg work and on top of that, when I feel like I need to take a fight to the ground, I can use my judo slamming or leg takedowns from wrestling. I have come a long way in getting rid of fighter's tunnel vision and being more aware of my opponent. I don't even think about it anymore, once the gloves go on, everything else just kind of happens. I also have a huge advantage over lots of my partners because I do rigorous cardio condition.
[QUOTE]Haha you and I sound like we have a lot in common. Yes, I love how every spar my style feels more fluent and natural. I'm starting to tie together dirty boxing with my Thai clinch work and leg work and on top of that, when I feel like I need to take a fight to the ground, I can use my judo slamming or leg takedowns from wrestling. I have come a long way in getting rid of fighter's tunnel vision and being more aware of my opponent. I don't even think about it anymore, once the gloves go on, everything else just kind of happens. I also have a huge advantage over lots of my partners because I do rigorous cardio condition.[/QUOTE] Haha yes when they threw me in that kickboxing ring my mind turned off and all my training kicked in. I didn't even remember my fight because of so much adrenaline! I even broke my toes somewhere in that fight and didn't even feel it lol.But even though my mind shut off I also turned off that tunnel vision and saw the all the openings for kicks and punches and actually used it. I too do vigorous cardio. But something else that people are forgetting to put into their training is heart you know. Why put your blood, sweat,tears, and mind into something if you didn't put your heart into it? I always push myself to make sure im better conditioned than anybody else.That might also be the wrestler mentality in me too lol. Judo huh? I've been flipped by a strange technique involving a fake kick resulting in me spinning to the ground lol. No one at my gym knows it though.
I used to do boxing but then I stopped after 2 years. I might start some form of martial arts later on. What is a good one for self defense? I'm not really into competitive fighting but just more of self defense.
Standing Jujutsu is a good way to protect yourself, honestly I would rather not go to the ground on the street. You don't know how many people the guy will have with him. Sorry BJJ people.
[QUOTE=MMASeidokan;35099993]Standing Jujutsu is a good way to protect yourself, honestly I would rather not go to the ground on the street. You don't know how many people the guy will have with him. Sorry BJJ people.[/QUOTE] It's a very good point, but BJJ does teach you how to work on the ground when someone else takes you down. It's valuable to know in case you end up on your back after a cheap shot or getting tackled, but not a good way to defend against multiple opponents.
Ahh great point, if someone did bring me to the ground I would use te BJJ to snap his arm real quick and get up and continue fighting if I had to. But I would not wana be taking someone down when he is being a wuss and having his friends fight for him. Striking is definately key wether there are multiple oppenents or not. And if this man were drunk and trying to shoot reaching his wobbly arms at me, standing neck crank with the thumb pushing in between the adam's apple . Most painful way to be choked. Haha
Any of you guys going to NAGA in Huston Tx, Saturday?
NAGA almost never comes close enough to me for me to comfortably travel there. Farthest I've gone is Portland, ME, which is about 2-2.5hrs away from me. It wasn't for NAGA though. It was for the Freestyle Grappling Open. I lost pretty badly. It's so hard for me to gauge where I'm at in BJJ. I decided to do the blue belt level because I've been working through my Karate instructor's semi-limited knowledge for the past 2.5years. I wasn't submitted EVERY match, but I still was fairly outclassed. I wish there were some local karate or kickboxing tournaments around where I live. It's possible I'm not looking hard enough, but for the most part all I know immediately about is the tournament my own school basically runs, which mainly consists of students from my school mixed in with people from other local schools. It's really not a great test of skill. The competitors stay pretty consistent, which is part of the problem. Plus my instructor straight out admitted it's more aimed at kids. I mean the most "alive" event we have is grappling, which I've been doing. It just makes me upset that even for the adults they still only have point sparring.
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;35101326]It's a very good point, but BJJ does teach you how to work on the ground when someone else takes you down. It's valuable to know in case you end up on your back after a cheap shot or getting tackled, but not a good way to defend against multiple opponents.[/QUOTE] Most if not all street fights get taken to the ground, ESPECIALLY when it's two untrained people fighting, untrained people tend to throw wild inaccurate punches and grapple. Hence why most street fights end up being a cuddling match on the ground
[QUOTE=Ryz0;35111765]Most if not all street fights get taken to the ground, ESPECIALLY when it's two untrained people fighting, untrained people tend to throw wild inaccurate punches and grapple. Hence why most street fights end up being a cuddling match on the ground[/QUOTE] yeah that was my overall point, the only street fight I've ever been in ended up with me on the ground because the guy wailed the side of my head. This was when martial arts to me was just an interest, not something I trained for.
Would Krav Maga be worth it if I find a real trainer (Not like the ones that just sell black belts after a year of training in martial arts)
[QUOTE=titopei;35124244]Would Krav Maga be worth it if I find a real trainer (Not like the ones that just sell black belts after a year of training in martial arts)[/QUOTE] Well what are you looking for? I'm assuming that since you want krav you're looking to defend yourself? Krav would be good for that, but be warned: KM's conditioning is brutal. Absolutely brutal. Also it is one of the largest sufferers of McDojoism. If this would be your first time taking a martial art, don't go for krav.
What do you mean by conditioning ? Is there anything special in terms of Krav Maga?
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;35124834]Well what are you looking for? I'm assuming that since you want krav you're looking to defend yourself? Krav would be good for that, but be warned: KM's conditioning is brutal. Absolutely brutal. Also it is one of the largest sufferers of McDojoism. If this would be your first time taking a martial art, don't go for krav.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=titopei;35098674]I used to do boxing but then I stopped after 2 years. I might start some form of martial arts later on. What is a good one for self defense? I'm not really into competitive fighting but just more of self defense.[/QUOTE] [editline]13th March 2012[/editline] tl;dr I'm not too into competitive fighting but I would like to do a martial art preferably for defense.
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