[QUOTE=WuWei;35125099]What do you mean by conditioning ? Is there anything special in terms of Krav Maga?[/QUOTE]
if he is going to a reputable school, when they are tested the tests for levels involve very long sessions of sparring and whatnot iirc
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9LKUhX3qew&feature=related[/media]
also man, if you can handle it, go for krav. check the school out first on bullshido.net before you lay any money down though
I'm going to get into a martial-art this summer after spring sports and whatnot.
I've been doing a lot of research, and I'm pretty interested in Aikijutsu or Aikido. Personally I think it'd be neat to learn a lot of techniques involving joint-locks, arms restraints, submission, etc... I think I'd enjoy it more than kicks and punches. Also considering I work with cops all the time. Would it be something worth learning, something that could easily be applied in a real confrontation? Anyone have any input?
[QUOTE=zacht_180;35128405]I'm going to get into a martial-art this summer after spring sports and whatnot.
I've been doing a lot of research, and I'm pretty interested in Aikijutsu or Aikido. Personally I think it'd be neat to learn a lot of techniques involving joint-locks, arms restraints, submission, etc... I think I'd enjoy it more than kicks and punches. Also considering I work with cops all the time. Would it be something worth learning, something that could easily be applied in a real confrontation? Anyone have any input?[/QUOTE]
Don't sign up for a school according to what you think you would like. I always thought I would hate striking and never be able to take a punch, but now my style gravitates toward aggressive muay thai tactic and clinch fighting. If you want to learn submissions, I'd say go for brazillian jiu jitsu. Just from personal experience, I don't know a goddamned thing about Aikido and I've never heard of Aikijutsu. Beware of McDojos.
also if you want real life application, in my opinion you should cross train in several different arts. It is the best way to prepare for an attack. I have a friend that practices Jeet Kune Do and Krav Maga chiefly with others on the side, it's saved his life many many times.
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;35128739]Don't sign up for a school according to what you think you would like. I always thought I would hate striking and never be able to take a punch, but now my style gravitates toward aggressive muay thai tactic and clinch fighting. If you want to learn submissions, I'd say go for brazillian jiu jitsu. Just from personal experience, I don't know a goddamned thing about Aikido and I've never heard of Aikijutsu. Beware of McDojos.
also if you want real life application, in my opinion you should cross train in several different arts. It is the best way to prepare for an attack. I have a friend that practices Jeet Kune Do and Krav Maga chiefly with others on the side, it's saved his life many many times.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Aikijutsu/Aiki is suppose to be pretty similar to jujitsu. And yeah, the dojo I'm looking at is highly respected. Others in my family use it for Karate, Kenjutsu, and Aikido. It's been around for quite a while and has a great reputation. I'm 100% certain it's not a McDojo.
In my opinion (and experience) it's just best to go with what interests you most. If you don't care for the sport of football, why the hell would you try out for it? I'll also look into cross-training. Thanks dude!
[QUOTE=zacht_180;35128963]Yeah, Aikijutsu/Aiki is suppose to be pretty similar to jujitsu. And yeah, the dojo I'm looking at is highly respected. Others in my family use it for Karate, Kenjutsu, and Aikido. It's been around for quite a while and has a great reputation. I'm 100% certain it's not a McDojo.
In my opinion (and experience) it's just best to go with what interests you most. If you don't care for the sport of football, why the hell would you try out for it? I'll also look into cross-training. Thanks dude![/QUOTE]
In my honest opinion, try kickboxing or something too, you never know what you might miss out on. My only advice is be careful trying to get some of the wristlocks and other techniques used in Aiki. I would honestly recommend a Jeet Kune Do base with elements from Aiki if that's what you're into. And no problem man.
[QUOTE=zacht_180;35128963]Yeah, Aikijutsu/Aiki is suppose to be pretty similar to jujitsu. And yeah, the dojo I'm looking at is highly respected. Others in my family use it for Karate, Kenjutsu, and Aikido. It's been around for quite a while and has a great reputation. I'm 100% certain it's not a McDojo.
In my opinion (and experience) it's just best to go with what interests you most. If you don't care for the sport of football, why the hell would you try out for it? I'll also look into cross-training. Thanks dude![/QUOTE]
Ha, just because your family go to it and they teach karate, kenjutsu, aikido, tkd etc. doesn't mean its exempt from being a mcdojo. If anything, the fact that they teach aikido and karate makes it seem even more like a mcdojo.
[editline]13th March 2012[/editline]
[video=youtube;Oy4TwtoDs50]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy4TwtoDs50[/video]
Please watch this video before choosing an art.
[sp]if you dont get my point... choose wrestling(or judo), striking(muay thai/boxing) or bjj. Choose one of those or you're wasting your time.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;35130898]Ha, just because your family go to it and they teach karate, kenjutsu, aikido, tkd etc. doesn't mean its exempt from being a mcdojo. If anything, the fact that they teach aikido and karate makes it seem even more like a mcdojo.
[editline]13th March 2012[/editline]
[video=youtube;Oy4TwtoDs50]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy4TwtoDs50[/video]
Please watch this video before choosing an art.
[sp]if you dont get my point... choose wrestling(or judo), striking(muay thai/boxing) or bjj. Choose one of those or you're wasting your time.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I mostly agree, but you can find good schools for more obscure or ancient arts, only problem is that they are few and far between, sometimes even in their country of origin. You should choose a more modern art imo because it'll likely be built around modern world challenges. Example being for self defense if you have a good Aikido school and a good Krav Maga school obviously learn Krav, but in reality I doubt you'll find a genuine school for it here.
I'm almost certain it's not, and I didn't say it was exempt. I'm clearly no expert, but here.
[url]http://www.ohiobudokan.org/[/url]
I mean, they're non-profit, they don't steal your money, and they teach authentic technique and discipline.
[QUOTE=zacht_180;35141179]I'm almost certain it's not, and I didn't say it was exempt. I'm clearly no expert, but here.
[url]http://www.ohiobudokan.org/[/url]
I mean, they're non-profit, they don't steal your money, and they teach authentic technique and discipline.[/QUOTE]
Whoa, a fellow ohio facepuncher. In the dayton area. Jesus. Small world.
2nd worst state, 100% ghetto
[QUOTE=blacksam;35155620]Whoa, a fellow ohio facepuncher. In the dayton area. Jesus. Small world.[/QUOTE]
Haha, that's awesome man. I grew up around here and love it.
and LOL Terry. Stay out of Dayton, Cincinnati, Cleveland and you'll be fine. Everything else is decent or farmers.
Anyways back to the topic...
Friend from richmond came down for some sparring this weekend. We did mostly kickboxing and thai boxing with grappling. I have some micro fractures on my shins because we don't use shin guards. i usually just wait until the pain and sensitivity die down before I spar again but I don't know if I'm damaging my legs or what?
I am making good strides in form and in technique but there is one thing I need advice on. When we do full contact sparring with face shots allowed, I develop a kind of flinch once we get into some tighter up close striking. Is there any kind of drill that would help me kill this before it becomes a problem?
My friends and I who go to TKD are all sore from doing sparring to practice for an upcoming WTF rules tournament. I really need to learn to control my steps better when I'm moving out of the way of kicks, I usually overshoot and don't have a good position for a counterkick because I am too far away.
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;35197701]My friends and I who go to TKD are all sore from doing sparring to practice for an upcoming WTF rules tournament. I really need to learn to control my steps better when I'm moving out of the way of kicks, I usually overshoot and don't have a good position for a counterkick because I am too far away.[/QUOTE]
do you do any footwork drills? I always work on my stance and footwork. work it into your shadowboxing.
Yeah, we do partner drills and things like that, I just need to practice more, Thanks.
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;35197824]Yeah, we do partner drills and things like that, I just need to practice more, Thanks.[/QUOTE]
no problem. you drill at home outside the dojo too right?
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;35197355]Friend from richmond came down for some sparring this weekend. We did mostly kickboxing and thai boxing with grappling. I have some micro fractures on my shins because we don't use shin guards. i usually just wait until the pain and sensitivity die down before I spar again but I don't know if I'm damaging my legs or what?[/QUOTE]
The whole concept of conditioning is to pretty much get those micro fractures. The bone heals by filling in the fractures, thus becoming thicker and stronger. Some days conditioning will hurt more than others, but just realize that it helps in the long run. Also realize there is a difference to being "hurt" and being HURT.
[QUOTE=NO ONE;35207732]The whole concept of conditioning is to pretty much get those micro fractures. The bone heals by filling in the fractures, thus becoming thicker and stronger. Some days conditioning will hurt more than others, but just realize that it helps in the long run. Also realize there is a difference to being "hurt" and being HURT.[/QUOTE]
Sunday I was hurting pretty bad but the bruising has died down so I must not have really fucked them up. It doesn't hurt like shin splints from running, it's just reaaaally sensitive to any touch. but they are getting tougher, that's for damn sure; going shin to shin by accident is not as bad anymore
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;35207765]Sunday I was hurting pretty bad but the bruising has died down so I must not have really fucked them up. It doesn't hurt like shin splints from running, it's just reaaaally sensitive to any touch. but they are getting tougher, that's for damn sure; going shin to shin by accident is not as bad anymore[/QUOTE]
Sometimes it can be difficult to determine how damaged your shins are because both your nerves and bones have to be conditioned. Most of the time, it's the nerves freaking out while the bones are fine.
If it's sensitive to the touch, it's probably just the nerves going haywire. Microfractures will temporarily weaken the bone, and enough of them will leave it sore and throbbing, but still won't make it painful to light touches.
A lot of guys will tell you to take a rolling pin and roll it down your shins to pop the nerves. Don't do that, you need them to tell you how injured you are. Popping the nerves without conditioning the bone is like taking the batteries out of a smoke alarm.
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;35209216]Sometimes it can be difficult to determine how damaged your shins are because both your nerves and bones have to be conditioned. Most of the time, it's the nerves freaking out while the bones are fine.
If it's sensitive to the touch, it's probably just the nerves going haywire. Microfractures will temporarily weaken the bone, and enough of them will leave it sore and throbbing, but still won't make it painful to light touches.
A lot of guys will tell you to take a rolling pin and roll it down your shins to pop the nerves. Don't do that, you need them to tell you how injured you are. Popping the nerves without conditioning the bone is like taking the batteries out of a smoke alarm.[/QUOTE]
I haven't tried anything gimmicky like that, I just rely on sparring to toughen them up. My guys and I used a lot of leg kicks which means going tibia to tibia sometimes, so that conditions them up enough I believe.
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;35126817]if he is going to a reputable school, when they are tested the tests for levels involve very long sessions of sparring and whatnot iirc
also man, if you can handle it, go for krav. check the school out first on bullshido.net before you lay any money down though[/QUOTE]
I'm practicing Krav Maga with EFKM developed by Richard Douieb and I find that video to be one of the perfect examples of MacDojoism.
Those techniques are poorly interpreted and are using lots of flaws. Most of them don't work. That is not Krav Maga, mate. That's just some kick ass, ninja style combination of moves from lots of martial arts. You got Judo there, some karate, kick boxing, nothing that says it's real krav maga.
That's the problem. The problem of every MacDojo and every pseudo-federation: They want to make us believe Krav Maga to be a Deadly Van Dame style kick ass martial arts combination.
It's not, ok?
Krav Maga has a belt system and the training is hard but the progress is very slow in order for you to absorb the motion and learn your body to react instantly to threat.
If I show you videos of Krav Maga practising of first level it will look like the lamest thing you've ever seen. Yes, the first days in Krav Maga, are lame, slow and boring sometimes followed by intense military exercise to build up your body, agility and flexibility. You have to be patient and learn slowly so you don't end up stabbed or shot over you excessive self confidence in a technique you can barely dominate.
This is a really Krav Maga Training (civilian level) without that marketing and appealing bullshit you see in videos:
[video=youtube;nVEmhUkRAEI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVEmhUkRAEI[/video]
[video=youtube;5VbVZKNaATQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VbVZKNaATQ[/video]
And this is some of the extreme of Krav Maga. Most of these techniques are not available for civilians since they are military level:
[video=youtube;IjmBPFPTq-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmBPFPTq-g[/video]
I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for about 2 years now, and I'm at the 1st level of brown belt.
I never had to use it in a real life situation, but I'm prepared to.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;35278662]I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for about 2 years now, and I'm at the 1st level of brown belt.
I never had to use it in a real life situation, but I'm prepared to.[/QUOTE]
oh boy
[QUOTE=Blazyd;35278662]I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for about 2 years now, and I'm at the 1st level of brown belt.
I never had to use it in a real life situation, but I'm prepared to.[/QUOTE]
Can you keep calm in a life threatening situation? Have you ever been in one? If not, then you're not prepared.
Trust me. There's a line that separates martial artas from self defence. And most of the times self defence is all about running to the hills.
I've been in both situations. First time I had to give my money to the robber because I was inside a moving metro with nowhere to run and 2 knives pointed at both my neck and belly.
Secound time I was able to punch and kick my way out of there. It was harder that I thought. First because your adrenaline starts pumping and it will be difficult to controll your breathing. You'll do everything by impulse and have a hard time trying to keep calm, so you'll make lots of basic mistakes that can cost you.
Sometimes self defense requires (in an extreme situation) you too keep fighting even if you're stabbed.
It's not the walk in the park you see inside the dojo or the ring. It's actually totally different. Fighting with cooperating personel and fighting in a ring with rules teaches you how to fight, but it never prepares you the demands of street fighting.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;35317482]Can you keep calm in a life threatening situation? Have you ever been in one? If not, then you're not prepared.
Trust me. There's a line that separates martial artas from self defence. And most of the times self defence is all about running to the hills.
I've been in both situations. First time I had to give my money to the robber because I was inside a moving metro with nowhere to run and 2 knives pointed at both my neck and belly.
Secound time I was able to punch and kick my way out of there. It was harder that I thought. First because your adrenaline starts pumping and it will be difficult to controll your breathing. You'll do everything by impulse and have a hard time trying to keep calm, so you'll make lots of basic mistakes that can cost you.
Sometimes self defense requires (in an extreme situation) you too keep fighting even if you're stabbed.
It's not the walk in the park you see inside the dojo or the ring. It's actually totally different. Fighting with cooperating personel and fighting in a ring with rules teaches you how to fight, but it never prepares you the demands of street fighting.[/QUOTE]
Too often do people leave the dojo thinking they can handle self-defense situations. This is way more true for no-contact, light contact, and mcdojo martial arts. You can drill and "light contact spar" all you want, but until someone is trying to kill you, or put you in the hospital, you will never know if you are "prepared" to fight in a real life situation.
The very point of martial arts is to defend yourself, at least in the beginning. Now you've got McDojo-ism and assorted flowery bullshit.. but please don't lump everything together. There are still some places where you can learn worthwhile traditional martial arts.
[QUOTE=WuWei;35332383]The very point of martial arts is to defend yourself, at least in the beginning. Now you've got McDojo-ism and assorted flowery bullshit.. but please don't lump everything together. There are still some places where you can learn worthwhile traditional martial arts.[/QUOTE]
If you don't fight effectively against live opponents then you WILL NOT be able to defend yourself. No matter how many drills you do on defenseless/ complying targets.
Yeah, that's not what I said. In a school worth a damn you still put your gloves on and fight.
Back to my classes after a break from stupid aches and ankle. I felt out of shape, but was clear that I've still got it.
My dojo is an Olympic level gym with lots of stuff for us to use. I'm just a blue belt. Broke the training boards today, wood getting expensive.
I've done MMA and BJJ when I was younger. I want to pick up a martial art mainly for fitness and just general self defense, because why not?
What would you guys recommend?
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