[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42131989]why do people even post videos by this guy here anymore? this game looks great but why should I care what this guy has to say lol[/QUOTE]
Because some people like to hear what he has to say.
[QUOTE=geogzm;42132017]If I remember correctly, this is that game that Microsoft are paying YouTubers to promote. They paid videogamedunkey to do a video on it and when he jokingly criticised it they fired him from the job. That's probably why this guy is rimming the game.[/QUOTE]
He has already stated that he has not received any form of payment, and that he has "never ever sold his opinion".
On-topic, the second half of the game was great. Unfortunately, the same can't be said about the first, as the controls broke immersion, the characters didn't react in proper ways to what was happening, and the difficulty of the gameplay was nearly non-existent.
[QUOTE=Skyward;42131912]He has said he's a very mechanically driven gamer, and Bioshock: Infinite, while one of my favorite games to come out in a while, is very very mechanically poor.
The gunplay is pretty unsatisfying, and while the world design is great, the level design is disappointingly linear given it's a successor to Bioshock. Vigors are boring as hell compared to the variety in Plasmids, and weapons were just as boring as Bioshock's.[/QUOTE]
But Brothers looks like there is very little game to it and it's basically an interactive story. Bioshock might not have the very best gunplay, but it's very fun to zip around on skylines and explode enemies and the story was really good and interesting and not a generic sad-story like this.
[QUOTE=Robber;42132062]But Brothers looks like there is very little game to it and it's basically an interactive story. Bioshock might not have the very best gunplay, but it's very fun to zip around on skylines and explode enemies and the story was really good and interesting and not a generic sad-story like this.[/QUOTE]
Brothers is almost all gameplay though. Its subdued, but its a puzzle game through and through. The story is actually pretty light. You never get any long cutscenes or over-expository sequences, you get the stroy by playing through it.
Almost everywhere you go there's a new puzzle to solve. And its a pretty interesting concept to boot.
Guys! Play the game then go after TB. oke? oke!
It is a great game
[QUOTE=Killer900;42132013]mom dad stop fighting please :(
Oh come now that's not true.[/QUOTE]
It both is and isn't
I'm really sick of artsy games sweeping awards just because "they have really good scenery and music". Journey, The Walking Dead, and Brothers as well as any smaller games like Limbo are all about the same. They present a story or setting that's really good and... don't offer much else. Yet they're sweeping because they're pretty.
I've bought each one and thought they were nice for their own ways, mind, but I hate seeing them called GOTY when they aren't actually games.
When I think of the term video games, I think of running and jumping, getting past obstacles, defeating bosses, collecting things etc. Seeing a game that has a sad violin while the characters meander about sobbing over something doesn't fit with what I imagine.
The Last of Us gets called a movie all the time for example, but at least I can run around and tackle a situation in different ways, have enemies to overcome, and a pretty nice story to boot.
Brothers I'm strung along a barebones puzzle room with a sad violin playing and there's no reason to ever return to it because it offers no change, nothing.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42131989]why do people even post videos by this guy here anymore? this game looks great but why should I care what this guy has to say lol[/QUOTE]
For the same reason we have a whole forum dedicated to posting articles other people write on games?
Why should I care what they have to say?
Because I'm interested.
[QUOTE=Sift;42131909]I hate what gaming has become.
It's a silly statement I'm aware but the game is 2 hours, controlled through a gimmick, has some of the most bare puzzles I've ever seen in a game and just.
Ugh. It's okay to like it but I wish there was another term because when I think of games I think of stuff like Metal Gear Rising or Mario or something. These stories can be engrossing but calling it GOTY when there's little game in it annoys me. Same reason why The Walking Dead bothered me. Fantastic story and I loved the characters but there wasn't much actual game there.[/QUOTE]
You hate the fact that the industry has grown up enough to tell legitimately awesome stories? And you don't like that gaming is changing to allow a whole new range of video games to be experienced and considered great.
I also don't agree that this isn't GOTY, but not for the reasons that you gave. Anyway way to generalize gaming as worse because aspects that have previously been weaker are getting stronger
[QUOTE=Sift;42132098]I've bought each one and thought they were nice for their own ways, mind, but I hate seeing them called GOTY when they aren't actually games. [/QUOTE]
I'm getting really sick of people talking about these "non-games".
Per definition the games you mentioned are games, and there's nothing more to discuss. The level of interactivity may vary widely, but that does not make them a part of a completely different medium.
[QUOTE=Sift;42132098]It both is and isn't
I'm really sick of artsy games sweeping awards just because "they have really good scenery and music". Journey, The Walking Dead, and Brothers as well as any smaller games like Limbo are all about the same. They present a story or setting that's really good and... don't offer much else. Yet they're sweeping because they're pretty.
I've bought each one and thought they were nice for their own ways, mind, but I hate seeing them called GOTY when they aren't actually games.
When I think of the term video games, I think of running and jumping, getting past obstacles, defeating bosses, collecting things etc. Seeing a game that has a sad violin while the characters meander about sobbing over something doesn't fit with what I imagine.
The Last of Us gets called a movie all the time for example, but at least I can run around and tackle a situation in different ways, have enemies to overcome, and a pretty nice story to boot.
Brothers I'm strung along a barebones puzzle room with a sad violin playing and there's no reason to ever return to it because it offers no change, nothing.[/QUOTE]
It seems that the basis of your argument is "when I think of games" Sadly an industry won't change and be dictated by what we think as individuals of games. also why do you care about what awards a game gets, if you like collecting shit and killing bosses, there are plenty out there, you just need to find them, with or without awards
[QUOTE=georgeface;42132124]You hate the fact that the industry has grown up enough to tell legitimately awesome stories? And you don't like that gaming is changing to allow a whole new range of video games to be experienced and considered great.
I also don't agree that this isn't GOTY, but not for the reasons that you gave. Anyway way to generalize gaming as worse because aspects that have previously been weaker are getting stronger[/QUOTE]
It's not grown up at all though? Because a game presents itself as a mature adventure with adult themes doesn't mean the industry has evolved.
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons has a nice plot, but it's cramped into 2 hours of puzzles where the setpieces come by fast and furious where only a single character is really expanded on. When replaying it I'm sure you can cruise through the game even faster which is not a good thing.
Silent Hill 2 on the other hand had a mature story to it, had different riddle levels for players to figure out and got by without the use of sad children. It had enemies in it and a upsetting plot and it found a way to balance the two in a satisfying manner. This was a good game.
Indie games these days forgo the gameplay part in favor of nothing but the story. Yeah there are level pulling puzzles or whatever but there's no option to change it up. The gameplay itself is stagnate. You can write the most interesting story in the world filled with the best set pieces anyone's ever seen but when the gameplay is boring it goes against it all.
It's about finding the perfect medium, and it can go both ways. Bioshock Infinite for example has a nice story (although filled with plot holes) but chose to deliver it as a FPS. They didn't think this through so you're character is presented as sympathetic for most of the game, despite the fact he'll gore a bystander and hold his bleeding husk over his head. That could ruin the characterization in a instant and is a example of the scale being too far on the gameplay side of things.
The industry is maturing and just because it can tell a nice story doesn't mean it's evolved
[QUOTE=georgeface;42132124]
I also don't agree that this isn't GOTY, but not for the reasons that you gave. Anyway way to generalize gaming as worse because aspects that have previously been weaker are getting stronger[/QUOTE]
please dont say that stories were at any points games weakest aspects
because that's so completely wrong
[QUOTE=Sift;42132098]It both is and isn't
I'm really sick of artsy games sweeping awards just because "they have really good scenery and music". Journey, The Walking Dead, and Brothers as well as any smaller games like Limbo are all about the same. They present a story or setting that's really good and... don't offer much else. Yet they're sweeping because they're pretty.
I've bought each one and thought they were nice for their own ways, mind, but I hate seeing them called GOTY when they aren't actually games.
When I think of the term video games, I think of running and jumping, getting past obstacles, defeating bosses, collecting things etc. Seeing a game that has a sad violin while the characters meander about sobbing over something doesn't fit with what I imagine.
The Last of Us gets called a movie all the time for example, but at least I can run around and tackle a situation in different ways, have enemies to overcome, and a pretty nice story to boot.
Brothers I'm strung along a barebones puzzle room with a sad violin playing and there's no reason to ever return to it because it offers no change, nothing.[/QUOTE]TLOU is definitely my GOTY :P
until GTA 5, then it'll be a toughie to choose between the two
[QUOTE=Sift;42132164]-[/QUOTE]
Why does it bother you what other people think?
I think this game is awesome and easily the best game in all time.
[QUOTE=SweFox*;42132016]Because he's good at what he does and some people like him, I guess?[/QUOTE]
havent seen one person here singing his praises
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42132260]havent seen one person here singing his praises[/QUOTE]
I love TB, there?
There are TB fans on FP.
[QUOTE=Skyward;42132106]For the same reason we have a whole forum dedicated to posting articles other people write on games?
Why should I care what they have to say?
Because I'm interested.[/QUOTE]
big diff between "posting press releases" and "games journalism" but ok
[editline]9th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=SweFox*;42132268]I love TB, there?
There are TB fans on FP.[/QUOTE]
well, the overwhelming majority of TB threads seem to be people complaining about him thats all im sayin
[QUOTE=SweFox*;42132253]Why does it bother you what other people think?
I think this game is awesome and easily the best game in all time.[/QUOTE]
Because it's not. Opinions can be wrong but if this is the tip of the iceberg then I think you didn't like games in the first place. You like stories. There's nothing wrong with this, mind, but still.
Also I've already stated that I don't care if you like the game or not so uh
Edit: In fact it's in my very first post
[QUOTE=Sift;42131909] [b]It's okay to like it[/b] but I wish there was another term because when I think of games I think of stuff like Metal Gear Rising or Mario or something. These stories can be engrossing but calling it GOTY when there's little game in it annoys me. Same reason why The Walking Dead bothered me. Fantastic story and I loved the characters but there wasn't much actual game there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42132272]well, the overwhelming majority of TB threads seem to be people complaining about him thats all im sayin[/QUOTE]
Yes but there is also people who enjoy him here.
[editline]9th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sift;42132277]Because it's not. Opinions can be wrong but if this is the tip of the iceberg then I think you didn't like games in the first place.
Also I've already stated that I don't care if you like the game or not so uh[/QUOTE]
Opinions are opinions, not facts.
Yes you've said you dislike that people call games like these GOTY.
well you figure those people would just be subscribed to him and wouldnt feel the need to post every video he makes...
[editline]9th September 2013[/editline]
the OP seems to dislike him, anyway
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42132260]havent seen one person here singing his praises[/QUOTE]
The only people that whine about him are people who can't stand the fact that he won't bend over and suck off his fans at the drop of a hat.
He's damn good at what he does but people can't stand the fact that he doesn't [I]treat us leik the speshul snowflaeks we r :'c[/I]
[QUOTE=SweFox*;42132253]Why does it bother you what other people think?
I think this game is awesome and [B]easily the best game in all time[/B].[/QUOTE]
For real?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42132301]well you figure those people would just be subscribed to him and wouldn't feel the need to post every video he makes..[/QUOTE]
That can be applied to every channel. I shared some TB videos because I liked them and wanted other FP users to watch them.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42132301]well you figure those people would just be subscribed to him and wouldnt feel the need to post every video he makes...
[editline]9th September 2013[/editline]
the OP seems to dislike him, anyway[/QUOTE]
Why do people post Ashens' videos? Why do we have a Two Best Friends Thread? Why does Dunkey ever get posted here? or Retsupurae? Or Game Grumps? Brutal Moose, Spike and Barely, Dopefish, Yogscast? Why not just subscribe?
Why have a videos forum when people can just use youtube?
[QUOTE=icemaz;42132325]For real?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=SweFox*;42132282]Yes but there is also people who enjoy him here.
[editline]9th September 2013[/editline]
Opinions are opinions, not facts.
Yes you've said you dislike that people call games like these GOTY.[/QUOTE]
I even explained why. When the counter is "What do you have against peoples opinions?!" forgoing the fact I already said nothing I think your side is flawed a bit.
If you or anyone wants I'll break down a entire game (like The Last of Us) and explain why it's a better [i]game[/i]. In a way that's not opinion but actual fact (I'll even use spoiler bars!).
[QUOTE=SweFox*;42132339]Yes.[/QUOTE]
It's good, and probably indie game of the year. But best game of all time seriously? You've never played a better game than this?
Can you tell me why it's the best of all time to you?
[QUOTE=icemaz;42132325]For real?[/QUOTE]
[sp]Part of me thinks he's trolling the shit out of the thread[/sp]
[QUOTE=icemaz;42132350]It's good, and probably indie game of the year. But best game of all time seriously? You've never played a better game than this?
Can you tell me why it's the best of all time to you?[/QUOTE]
Guys, why does it matter?
Seriously?
He loved the game. Why do you people insist on hounding him over it?
[QUOTE=Skyward;42132359]Guys, why does it matter?
Seriously?
He loved the game. Why do you people insist on hounding him over it?[/QUOTE]
I'm genuinely asking him cause I'm genuinely interested
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