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[QUOTE=l l;40137770]Why do people use hun, dear etc condescendingly like that?[/QUOTE] Why do people use any sort of terms like "dude, bro, honey, sweetie, baby"? It just how they speak. I use the word "man" a lot myself. Not in like a hippy "hey maaaaan" sort of way, but i do use it a lot.
[QUOTE=Seiteki;40137798]I go with the whole "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't fuck up other people's lives" route.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately there are people who agree, but consider the mere existence of different people to be interference in their own life. I still find furry stuff weird and kind of funny though, then again there's stuff about me that's weird and funny
[QUOTE=mysteryman;40137799]Why do people use any sort of terms like "dude, bro, honey, sweetie, baby"? It just how they speak. I use the word "man" a lot myself. Not in like a hippy "hey maaaaan" sort of way, but i do use it a lot.[/QUOTE] They're not the same, one is being used condescendingly to be rude and the other is just referring to another person.
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;40137790]am i the only one that thinks that this kind of attitude is what leads to so much discrimination and hate[/QUOTE] Not really. Because imagine someone you never met before walked up to you and said "i may look like a normal human, but i'm actually a table. a cherry wood, 4 legged, 5 foot by 2 1/2 foot rectangular magnificent table." You would think they are crazy or just mad, or you'd just laugh at the absurdity. And yes, the application of one thinking they're an object and not a human is just as applicable, because this can also tie in to the monolithic consciousness as pan-psychism. The belief that everything has mental consciousness.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;40137864]tie in to the monolithic consciousness as pan-psychism[/QUOTE] can you explain what you mean in more simple terms please
[QUOTE=mysteryman;40137864]Not really. Because imagine someone you never met before walked up to you and said "i may look like a normal human, but i'm actually a table. a cherry wood, 4 legged, 5 foot by 2 1/2 foot rectangular magnificent table." And yes, the application of one thinking they're an object and not a human is just as applicable, because this can also tie in to the monolithic consciousness as pan-psychism. The belief that everything has mental consciousness.[/QUOTE] I'd be terrified because cherry wood tables are bad news, especially in this neighbourhood. Now if they were mahogany I might get to know them better
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;40137734]and you're not ;)[/QUOTE] If i could be assed I'd find the post I made saying I'd had my first time, but eh.
[QUOTE=l l;40137820]They're not the same, one is being used condescendingly to be rude and the other is just referring to another person.[/QUOTE] ah, i thought you meant in general in addition to condescendingly. I guess then they use it because it's infers you're on a lower level than they are or that the terms are normally endearing and its the irony to kind of put you in that awkward spot.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;40137884]ah, i thought you meant in general in addition to condescendingly. I guess then they use it because it's infers you're on a lower level than they are or that the terms are normally endearing and its the irony to kind of put you in that awkward spot.[/QUOTE] Is it just sarcasm that makes every term of endearment also double as a way of talking down to people or is there something else going on linguistically here?
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;40137734]and you're not ;)[/QUOTE] [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrbp4aHBGL1r2mho4o1_500.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=mysteryman;40137214]Literally the very basis of otherkin is believing you were born into the wrong species. This is a delusion.[/QUOTE]So you're saying that basically anything religious or spiritual is delusional? Just let people be unless they hurt others, besides we'd be questioning any and every religion ever dead or not.[quote]However the very basis of otherkin incorporates spirituality and a monolithic perception of consciousness believing that the mental state is the "true" form of life and takes priority over physicality.[/quote]Not true, physical life comes first, spiritual comes second, unless your priorites are skewed. [quote]This more or less just makes the existence of otherkin as a legitimate thing impossible to argue against or for as those who claim they are otherkin are approaching it on a completely subjective manner, not objective.[/quote]You're lumping in every otherkin ever under this assumption basically. I take it objectively, like an experience that may or may not be real. If it is, cool beans if not oh well who cares. And yes, there are people who do take it subjectively, and that's a bad thing. It's like piling in super-flamboyant(sp?) gays with those that aren't. [quote]Additionally people can argue that its the very fact that it's a mental spirituality thing based on subjectivity that confirms that "otherkin", i used quotes because i find the notion scientifically baseless, is a medical mental disorder.[/quote]There's [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria"]Species dysphoria[/URL] But I feel like I'm relatively content with my life (except working in retail but that's a whole nother bag), but not depressed either about being human, thank you. Honestly why are you bothering to continue this isn't the otherkin chat thread I just wanted to put my piece in.
[QUOTE=Slowbro;40137994][img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrbp4aHBGL1r2mho4o1_500.gif[/img][/QUOTE] See my previous post
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;40137870]can you explain what you mean in more simple terms please[/QUOTE] As i said above. [QUOTE]However the very basis of otherkin incorporates spirituality and a monolithic perception of consciousness believing that the mental state is the "true" form of life and takes priority over physicality[/QUOTE] There are two types of consciousness in relation to mind-body. Dualism and monism. In dualism you believe in a physical and mental state, they both exist. In monism you beleive that only one state is real: either physicality or mentality. Mentality also ties in spirituality and aspects like souls. From what i can see and have heard, otherkin is based in the mind. Their souls were born in the wrong body/species. So otherkin inherently is believing that the mental world is what really matters and takes priority over the physicality. There are subsets of dualism and monoism. Dualism has things like epiphenomenalism where physicality effects the mind but not vice versa. In monoism you have subsets like idealism where the world is completely only mentally. The only thing that matter is the mental world. Then there's neutral monism which includes panpsychism, which is the belief that everything is mentally conscious. For instance, having a pet rock and actually believing it is you pet and is aware.
Wouldn't the fact that they believe the mental state takes precedence over their physical state mean that it's dualism?
[QUOTE=Mikaru-Yanagida;40138008]So you're saying that basically anything religious or spiritual is delusional? Just let people be unless they hurt others, a little belief can't hurt if it's harmelss.Not true, physical life comes first, spiritual comes second, unless your priorites are skewed. You're lumping in every otherkin ever under this assumption basically. I take it objectively, like an experience that may or may not be real. If it is, cool beans if not oh well who cares. And yes, there are people who do take it subjectively, and that's a bad thing. It's like piling in super-flamboyant(sp?) gays with those that aren't. There's [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria"]Species dysphoria[/URL] But I feel like I'm relatively content with my life (except working in retail but that's a whole nother bag), but not depressed either about being human, thank you. Honestly why are you bothering to continue this isn't the otherkin chat thread I just wanted to put my piece in. Aaand apparently I'm late, carry on.[/QUOTE] First things first. I said believing you are actually the soul of an animal born in the body of a human is delusional. Religion is completely irrelevant here. Religion means you believe in some higher power. I fail to see the connection. Secondly, the idea that physical life comes first then spiritual is still monolithic. That's called internationalism, the belief that the physical world can affect the mind and the mind can affect the physical world. Thirdly, what i said in my second response applies here as well. It's still subjective because you PERSONALLY BELIEVE you were not born as the correct species. You have no objective proof to offer and can only offer your personal feelings and experience. Fourthly. According to what you linked me you don't suffer from this. Otherkin can simple be believing you are either partially or wholly not human. You are okay with your life as a human yet feel you'd be happier as an animal which you identify as your true spiritual self. And finally. I continue this debate because this is a forum, this is a chat thread. We talk about everything here. Never expect to say something on a forum without expecting a reply. For that matter, why are [I]you[/I] bothering to continue this? I just popped in to the conversation to give my own piece in as well. [editline]2nd April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Raijin;40138070]Wouldn't the fact that they believe the mental state takes precedence over their physical state mean that it's dualism?[/QUOTE] No because the believe the mental state takes priority over the physical state because the mental stat is the "true" state. Dualism is the idea that BOTH states exist equally and neither is more important than the other. Otherkin believe that they are spiritually animals, in spirit they are truly animals. [editline]2nd April 2013[/editline] If this is seriously derailing the thread, then a mod please tell me so and i will stop debating.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;40138200]Religion means you believe in some higher power.[/QUOTE] lol no [quote=Wikipedia]Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[/quote]
what is even going on
[QUOTE=mysteryman;40138200]No because the believe the mental state takes priority over the physical state because the mental stat is the "true" state. Dualism is the idea that BOTH states exist equally and neither is more important than the other. Otherkin believe that they are spiritually animals, in spirit they are truly animals.[/QUOTE] wow why do i even bother...
I've never even heard of otherkin until a few hours ago... how do you know all this mysteryman
[QUOTE=Raijin;40138249]lol no[/QUOTE] So i could turn Wheaton's law into a religion?
[QUOTE=MasterFen007;40138263]So i could turn Wheaton's law into a religion?[/QUOTE] feel free [editline]2nd April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sr.;40138262]I've never even heard of otherkin until a few hours ago... how do you know all this mysteryman[/QUOTE] psychology classes mixed with a heaping helping of personal opinion.
[QUOTE=Mikaru-Yanagida;40136825]Alright I'm otherkin and I'm kinda annoyed by what people are saying so I'm just gonna hop in and say my piece and hop back out of the thread for a bit. Do you have any ideas what it would be? Because I sure as hell don't, what on earth would cause such a thing, considering it's such a variety of "symptoms" (I say this on quotes not because I'm offended by the notion of it being a mental thing, but I'm saying it because it's a thing that happens in multiple ways to people who are). Not taking offense, but I'm wondering what you think it would be because I don't know enough about psychology or symptoms at the moment to figure it out myself. I appreciate the thought of people hoping I'm nice because that's all I really want to be, even if the world isn't exactly peachy 100% of the time (not saying HYOOMANITY SUCKS because I don't believe that shit) Uhh it's kinda a weird thing when I'm trying to put it into words. Some people have it from phantom limbs, some people it's from dreams, some people just kinda feel like "yeah that's right" furry or not. In fact I have a 'kin friend who's wholly disgusted by furry porn when he was finding out if that's what he was. It's not a consistent thing at all. In my case I was having phantom limbs I didn't even want and was actually upset at the notion of it happening, figuring something was wrong with me (not ruling that out though, that's kinda a good sign of someone who's otherkin is thinking twice about their experiences and feelings). Myself, I started feeling phantom limbs that I didn't even want and it kinda went from there to dreams. Not trying to call anyone out but it just kinda bugs me this is what people think of others' beliefs or feelings and just calling it wrong and dumb. Aight I'm done talking about it carry on.[/QUOTE] Not trying to be disrespectful or anything, its just that it sounds a bit questionable at first. But if you believe in something, go for it. As long as you don't do daily sermons on it.
[QUOTE=Raijin;40138249]lol no[/QUOTE] Fair enough, however "higher power" can also apply to spiritualism as your spirit transcends physical ability, i know of no other religion where followers believe they are born in the wrong bodies and are spiritually something else. There are religions where people believe their spirit will transcend to heaven but this depends on how they act in their life. There are other religions where reincarnation is also believed but the followers beleive they are reincarnated into forms that depend on how they acted in their past life. What he said still doesn't really apply to my argument against otherkin specifically. But if you REALLY want to get down to it. I'm agnostic theistic. I believe in science and believe that a higher can exist as there is no proof to deny the existence. However, while there's no proof to prove that a god doesn't exist, there isn't any proof to confirm a god does exist. So in my beliefs, heaven and spirituality can exist but seems irrational and almost delusional to me. So yeah, religion can be delusional. Look at cults.
this thread is like a car where we were all driving along all happy and nice but it was on mountain roads and one of the roads was WAAAAYY above a poop factory on a cliff and a couple pages ago we started sliding around and now we've gone through the guard rail and there's a big vat of poop right below us now
[QUOTE=Sr.;40138262]I've never even heard of otherkin until a few hours ago... how do you know all this mysteryman[/QUOTE] I've spent far too much time on the internet. You find even more interesting topics like this when you fall into things like the furry fandom.
[QUOTE=Raijin;40138256]wow why do i even bother...[/QUOTE] You seem to be glossing over what i'm saying. Monoism: Only one thing truly matters. Both can exist in subsets of monoism but in the end, only of them actually is real. Dualism: Both matter equally. Both effect each other equally. Both are as real as each other.
I come into this thread and don't know what to say about half the time I check it.
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[QUOTE=MasterFen007;40138263]So i could turn Wheaton's law into a religion?[/QUOTE] Anything can be a religion. I'm also a bokonist for example. This is also why the flying spaghetti monster exists. It exists because someone created it to combat things like Catholicism saying "if your religion exists based on a book with no proof, why can't my religion exist without proof? [editline]2nd April 2013[/editline] Since i'm really only arguing against Raiijin and that other guy. I'll stop posting about this and if you really want to continue, i will gladly take this to PM's.
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