• The Internet: Whose dominion is it anyway?
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[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20678724]China blocks out certain content automatically, yes. To an extent. However, it doesn't process all of the information generated by the internet. Uh, yeah, of course. I'm sure that no one will spot all net neutrality proponents being systematically eliminated all over the globe. Did you take paranoid lessons form Dan Brown or something?[/QUOTE] No, I'm just saying, people feel safer than they should on the internet. I don't think they would kill garry, anyone of us, or anything of that sort. The original point I was making about garry was that anyone can assume his online identity and no one would really notice any difference.
The internet is a series of connections of servers and computers.
The internet is [I]MY[/I] [B]DOMINION![/B] LEAVE BEFORE I SUMMON THE SKELETON GUARDS!
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678750]No, I'm just saying, people feel safer than they should on the internet. I don't think they would kill garry, anyone of us, or anything of that sort. The original point I was making about garry was that anyone can assume his online identity and no one would really notice any difference.[/QUOTE] well except for the fact that he has a blog and he has a business that he posts pictures about so if you kill him the sudden lack of pictures would be kind of a giveaway.
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I think the internet belongs to 4chan. You can't go anywhere on the web without seeing there work somewhere.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20678975]well except for the fact that he has a blog and he has a business that he posts pictures about so if you kill him the sudden lack of pictures would be kind of a giveaway.[/QUOTE] Yeah but the internet version and the real life version are pretty spread apart. Garry could get hit by a car, and it might take a week to reach us. Or Garry could stop developing and no one in his family would know. He could just say he's stopping writing his blog, or writes it less often, or say he's stressed. There's not point to fuss out the details about how one would resolve the loose ends, the point is it's doable.
The internet is the greatest expression of free speech in the history of mankind. Although some parts of it are bad(i.e. all the child porn and shit like that) I hope that the internet remains largely free and uncensored.
Since the Internet is so open and spread across the world, there's basically no limits (except laws). This allows anybody to do kinda anything on it, which makes it hard to say that somebody own it.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20679032]Yeah but the internet version and the real life version are pretty spread apart. Garry could get hit by a car, and it might take a week to reach us. Or Garry could stop developing and no one in his family would know. He could just say he's stopping writing his blog, or writes it less often, or say he's stressed. There's not point to fuss out the details about how one would resolve the loose ends, the point is it's doable.[/QUOTE] No, it's not. Not unless you had a team of fucking 007's on the case, and it was only Garry, and they eliminated everyone he's ever come into contact with, and they replaced the British police, and they stopped the internet from being curious. Really the whole idea is fucking ridiculous, the very fact that you can even try to support this scenario is retarded.
Don't do illegal shit and you don't have to worry. Besides I'm sure they've been watching us mastubate so long they are used to it. So let em keep watching, lick your lips, and feel flattered.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;20679022]I think the internet belongs to 4chan. You can't go anywhere on the web without seeing there work somewhere.[/QUOTE] No. Long answer? Nope.
[QUOTE=mzathemind;20679086]Don't do illegal shit and you don't have to worry. Besides I'm sure they've been watching us mastubate so long they are used to it. So let em keep watching, lick your lips, and feel flattered.[/QUOTE] That's a stupid fucking excuse. Privacy is important.
[QUOTE=mzathemind;20679086]Don't do illegal shit and you don't have to worry. Besides I'm sure they've been watching us mastubate so long they are used to it. So let em keep watching, lick your lips, and feel flattered.[/QUOTE] How would they manage to watch you masturbate..?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678712]Wrong. Never assume something like that. Even now, governments are working against what people have done on the internet. As I said before, removal of civilian encryption, laws like the patriot act that let the government search what they want. etc. It all leads up to the point that eventually the internet will be regulated. Which we have been seeing in an increasing number of countries (ban on violent games over the internet, china as I've said before) Even now, we have limits on how much we can download, what we can/can't see (ie child pornography), what we can or can't say on the internet without possible real life repercussions, ie death threats, internet bullying. I don't agree with all these things, but you guys make it seem like the internet is some sort of idealistic anarchy where there are no rules.[/QUOTE] So the question is, which one will go first? Reality? Or virtual reality?
Man I'm sick of your point of view threads Just no
[QUOTE=archangel125;20678179]The internet is a massive self-updating database of information, a marvel in communications technology that people in centuries past could not have imagined in even the wildest of fictions. It is amazing in its scale and versatility. Imagine a vast spider web of infinite complexity that spans the entire planet and seems to have no single origin. The internet is important because it is a stateless nation - A global community where people from all over the world come into contact with one another. However, like any such thing, some abuse it. There is an underground community on the internet of paedophiles and child pornographers. The latter charge a premium for footage on hidden websites of young children being sexually abused. Where there is money and profit, there is proliferation. Some could argue that the internet is the main cause of the illegal sex trade today. Children barely above the age of infancy are kidnapped from their parents and sold into slavery, forced to make pornographic videos or to e used as objects to fulfill their owner's sick pleasures. Many are brutally beaten or mutilated in addition to the sexual abuse, all because it gets their abusers off. Civilized countries everywhere have been deeply disturbed by this, as they should be. The United States being the loudest among them, American policymakers are pushing to - of all things - seize and control the internet. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the problem. I do not believe the Internet should belong to any one country, or all the social progress our generation has achieved will be for naught. As impossible as we know it is, if the United States were to somehow achieve control of the entire network, all countries that were opposed to America's views would remove themselves from the global community, and a new Iron Curtain would be formed - A virtual one. The internet is, strictly speaking, outside America's jurisdiction. What CAN be done is policymaking directed at creating stricter American ISP security protocols that monitor all known proxy sites for American IP addresses and that seek and censor all pornographic material featuring children. In fact, this has already been implemented to a degree. Since the internet is massively P2P, however, I doubt it is physically possible to control the entire network. And that's just the way things should be.[/QUOTE] yes, child pornography is bad. Its frowned upon, its immoral, its dangerious. This is why we got the FBI. I agree with your post, all except [quote]What CAN be done is policymaking directed at creating stricter American ISP security protocols that monitor all known proxy sites for American IP addresses and that seek and censor all pornographic material featuring children. In fact, this has already been implemented to a degree.[/quote] This in ideal, is good. But this ruins the entire freedom of the internet. We'll end up with another Australia. This will open a bigger can of worms, then it will in closing one. You can kiss net neutrality out the door. I say, let them be. I rather keep my freedom instead of giving it up for security. Let the FBI sort them out, not sort out our liberty. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20679154]That's a stupid fucking excuse. Privacy is important.[/QUOTE] Privacy is important, but big brother is past important. Even though we don't see it as important. Plus, even if the government was watching its general public, like hell they even care about you. They only care when you give them REASON to care.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20679084]No, it's not. Not unless you had a team of fucking 007's on the case, and it was only Garry, and they eliminated everyone he's ever come into contact with, and they replaced the British police, and they stopped the internet from being curious. Really the whole idea is fucking ridiculous, the very fact that you can even try to support this scenario is retarded.[/QUOTE] You took my point way too literally. Read my posts again.
[quote]The United States being the loudest among them, American policymakers are pushing to - of all things - seize and control the internet. [/quote] The US can't do anything that affects internet users outside of their country.
[img]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/explodingkinetoscope/lawnmowerman.jpg[/img] The internet belongs to Jobe from 'The lawnmower man'.
You act like the [I]only[/I] thing wrong with the internet is Child porn.
Series of tubes.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;20679599]How would they manage to watch you masturbate..?[/QUOTE] There are cameras in the computers and tvs. Everyone knows that duh... [editline]11:30AM[/editline] IS IT MY FAULT I WANT TO SEE GIRLS MY AGE GETTING NAILED? I like flat chests shit. [editline]11:30AM[/editline] With consent of course.
Archangel, why do you continue to make such shitty rant threads that no one even cares about
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;20685544]Archangel, why do you continue to make such shitty rant threads that no one even cares about[/QUOTE]
I own a plot of Internet down in New Facepunchville. I rent it out as living space, but some trolls moved in last month and really messed up the place, GMod addon wrappers everywhere.
[QUOTE=archangel125;20678179]The United States being the loudest among them, American policymakers are pushing to - of all things - seize and control the internet. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the problem. I do not believe the Internet should belong to any one country, or all the social progress our generation has achieved will be for naught. As impossible as we know it is, if the United States were to somehow achieve control of the entire network, all countries that were opposed to America's views would remove themselves from the global community, and a new Iron Curtain would be formed - A virtual one. The internet is, strictly speaking, outside America's jurisdiction. What CAN be done is policymaking directed at creating stricter American ISP security protocols that monitor all known proxy sites for American IP addresses and that seek and censor all pornographic material featuring children. In fact, this has already been implemented to a degree. Since the internet is massively P2P, however, I doubt it is physically possible to control the entire network. And that's just the way things should be.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw[/media]
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20679032]Yeah but the internet version and the real life version are pretty spread apart. Garry could get hit by a car, and it might take a week to reach us. Or Garry could stop developing and no one in his family would know. He could just say he's stopping writing his blog, or writes it less often, or say he's stressed. There's not point to fuss out the details about how one would resolve the loose ends, the point is it's doable.[/QUOTE] His pay is from gmod, what is to be stressed about
I thought about this exact same thing today.
I'd say the ideas of the internet as this abstract, untouchable entity, as WELL as the obvious "it's just a bunch of servers wired together", are both right - yeah, in reality it's all connected by a finite number of root servers, and if you take one of those down, a whole country could lose its connection with the outside world, at least until the connection routes elsewhere. However, it's such an immensely complex web of millions of machines, all programmed to adapt the network where it fails (re-routing traffic and stuff), that it's impossible for humans to filter it, or take it using guerilla tactics. Not with the terabytes of data flowing through it every day. You'd have to cut off electricity to the entire earth to shut down the internet. Even if, say, the USA filters childporn off the internet (good morally; bad for freedom of speech), they can only do it for the US population. It's incredibly hard to censor or filter or monitor the entire internet. By now it's pretty much like the technological version of the UN; you can take one country (or root server) out of it but that won't fuck everything up, and every country (apparently) has equal rights and power - so do the root servers. So yeah, the internet is pretty open and spread across the world. Hell, even in China, people can get past the filters using Tor and Freenet and all the other 'darknets' which probably *aren't* known about. It's easy enough to route encrypted traffic through port 80 to a proxy in another, less imposing country. Even in China they can't send the military police around to shoot everyone caught looking at uncensored Google. As for policymaking... the internet pretty much governs itself. Different countries will stop their people from doing nasty things on it, and there's also a lot of vigilante moderation. It doesn't need policies saying "crack down on pirated music" or "watch everyone like hawks in case they download childporn"; the policies really, really don't work, in practise. Only stupid people get caught doing illegal shit online. Or people who want to get caught. Or people who just got too well known (a la thepiratebay owners, even though their case is still being debated).
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