[QUOTE=s0beit;28594646]Just punch yourself in real life[/QUOTE]
Not the same. Even though my subconscious is me, it seems to enjoy making me suffer for reading/watching something remotely frightening by never letting it GO. So clearly his intentions are not conscious-mine, as I detest being scared.
well if warfare is the path you have chosen, I have plenty of suggestions >;)
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wait no dont
its a bad idea
[QUOTE=DTkach;28594475]I was disappointed when I read in the main info post that you shouldn't attempt to hurt your subconscious, because that guy is an asshole and I wish to deliver swift justice to his face for all the problems he has caused me.[/QUOTE]
You don't want to, trust me.
It will either:
[list][*]Unleash your ultimate greatest fear, which even you don't know
[*]Wake you up
[*][sp]Send you into a state of coma[/sp]
[/list]
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[QUOTE=DTkach;28594695]Not the same. Even though my subconscious is me, it seems to enjoy making me suffer for reading/watching something remotely frightening by never letting it GO. So clearly his intentions are not conscious-mine, as I detest being scared.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oblivious1;28597380]You don't want to, trust me.
It will either:
[list][*]Unleash your ultimate greatest fear, which even you don't know
[*]Wake you up
[*][sp]Send you into a state of coma[/sp]
[/list][/QUOTE]
I dunno about the coma thing.... but I do think that antagonizing it is a bad move. After all, it's sort of the embodiment of everything you aren't aware of, and I've personally had instances where I couldn't remember words simply because my sub was messing with me (I approved, though, so no biggie).
But I can't help but look at your reason for disliking your sub without thinking that it's happening [i]because[/i] you're scared; I know if this was happening to me, it'd be because such fascinations are sometimes a defense mechanism; if you're constantly worried about getting bitten by a snake, you're sure as hell less likely to get bitten than if it's something you don't think about. In this case, making plans for what to do in these situations would probably help. Alternatively, it's something that deep down inside, you know you really shouldn't be afraid of, and your sub might just be trying exposure therapy. I mean, fear of snakes is very reasonable (particularly if there are snakes where you live), but if your fear is of recycling bins then there's really no reason to hold onto it.
And anyways, this might be hopelessly naive, but I like to think that there's no such thing as a truly malicious subconscious. Parts can be misguided/mistaken (or you could have an evil part too, I guess), but ultimately it wants what's best for it, and what's best for it is most often what's best for yourself.
If nothing else, just ask if you get the chance. Heck, it could answer you in your dreams before you even technically ask, if that serves its purposes. Point being, there's reasons for everything dammit, I don't care what quantum physics says
Gotta go now, might post some other stuff later, but maybe not, or something, hell I dunno, I'm confused and ranty and now I seriously have to stop so bye
[url]http://dustincurtis.com/sleep.html[/url]
Consider that to have better and even more REM sleep
had a dream my friend had some gross maggots in his hair and I was literally stretching my neck out to get away from them
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[QUOTE=Depth08;28603394][url]http://dustincurtis.com/sleep.html[/url]
Consider that to have better and even more REM sleep[/QUOTE]
the uberman may be good for lucid dreaming seeing as that's six insta-rems
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[QUOTE=Oblivious1;28597380]You don't want to, trust me.
It will either:
[list][*]Unleash your ultimate greatest fear, which even you don't know
[*]Wake you up
[*][sp]Send you into a state of coma[/sp]
[/list][/QUOTE]
It wouldn't send you in to a coma.
Okay, wow. So you know how I was like "I'm gonna post something but maybe not I dunno I don't know what about anyways but I guess if I think of something maybe sometime, I don't know"? Well, immediately after shutting down my computer I realized I was going to comment on Birdman's post, specifically:
[QUOTE=Birdman101;28563241]I dont like dreams where something sexually messed up happens in a dream and you realize "My subconscious self made that up".[/QUOTE]
Of course, I had just finished writing that my sub likes getting me to forget things. I thought about it, then I was like "Ohhhhh, I see what you did thar. ...niiiiiiiice"
Apparently my sub likes being meta ^~^*
Anywho, what I was going to say to Birdman was that just because you dream it doesn't mean you like the idea. If anything, maybe your sub is just testing the waters, so-to-speak. For example (as much as I want to avoid connecting zombies and sex, [i]damn you "Night of the Living Dead 4: Rave to the Grave"[/i]), I had a dream that I posted awhile back where it was a stereotypical zombie apocalypse dream, but my lack of self-confidence led to very lackluster zombie fighting skills. My sub then showed up, I asked why I dreamt this, and my sub basically said "Well, people seem to have a lot of fun in dreams like this, but now that I know you aren't a fan you won't have to dream this again."
So anyways, maybe it's just an embodiment of sexual curiosity and not necessarily, say, a repressed desire to get a blowjob from a unicorn or anything like that.
Then again, I wouldn't know, so whatever seems like the case for you is probably right.
...man, I'm being such an armchair psychologist that I want to punch myself in the face. Does anyone agree?
Ok, so I've been trying to do WILDs to move directly into a lucid dream but I'm getting annoyed now. Like last night, I can get to the stage where a very strange feeling (I'm guessing it's a surge of paralysis) rushes through my body after a certain amount of time of lying still and ignoring twitches or itches. I've never been able to successfully move from that into the dream, I can tell I'm close, I could even feel the blankness of your mind become more three-dimensional and real but after waiting for a bit I return to just being relaxed in bed. It's so frustrating, I've gotten to that paralysis-feeling countless times but I've never moved forward.
Any ideas?
I tired the MILD method last night, and I think I lost sleep because of it. I was able to ignore the things around me and get into a half-asleep state, but when I reached that point I began messing up the phrase in my head, and every time I realize I wasn't saying it right, I'd wake myself up :saddowns:
Guess I need more practice.
I can barely remember my dream last night, but I did ask this girl out in it. She said yes (:q:). That's about all I remember clearly. There were some vague things about flying and doing epic stuff with her. I'm sad that I can't remember it though..
[QUOTE=geogzm;28603482]It wouldn't send you in to a coma.[/QUOTE]
Thats the joke.
Can't wait until my mocks are over. I'm gonna work my ass off on lucid dreaming after that.
@Roxxor
Lol, if your sub makes you forget things, then I can say I'm forgetful (this part is true) because my sub made me forgetful. Maybe I'll ask him about it.
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I suffer from sleep paralysis really bad. Every other night it's some different nightmarish shit that ends with me trying to wake up, only to find myself not being able to move when I finally do wake up.
Two nights ago was the worst I've had. All I remember is waking up on the couch to some horrific feminine laugh, and feeling someone's hand brush my hair. I thought it was a nightmare, so I didn't look up, and just closed my eyes. About 10-30 seconds after I close my eyes, the laugh turns into a scream, and I suddenly start to freak the fuck out. I can't move my arms and legs, but this bitch stops screaming after a little while, only now she's breathing on my neck. Breathing, breathing, breathing down on me and I can't move a god damn muscle.
It finally stops, I'm able to move again and I whip my body around on the couch to look up at where the demonic bitch was standing over me. There's nothing there so I'm like 'shitttttttt' and just lie back down because I'm exhausted. I go back to sleep, it starts all over again. I haven't sleep straight in two days.
Dude I get sleep paralysis like that as well. One time I could hear a chainsaw being started up in one of my ears for about 10 seconds and it freaked the shit out of me. I see and feel ghosts in my bed all the time. Sometimes with faces of my friends. The other night I saw a woman at the end of my bed waving at me. I managed to kick her and then she flew up into the ceiling and vanished. Then just last night I had the best one of them all. I felt a naked woman crawl up through my bed onto my body and put her puss right into my face. I got a bit too excited and it disappeared immediately. Thought I was getting some action and was very disappointed when I realised I was at home alone in bed :( .
[QUOTE=Moose;28615410]I suffer from sleep paralysis really bad. Every other night it's some different nightmarish shit that ends with me trying to wake up, only to find myself not being able to move when I finally do wake up.
Two nights ago was the worst I've had. All I remember is waking up on the couch to some horrific feminine laugh, and feeling someone's hand brush my hair. I thought it was a nightmare, so I didn't look up, and just closed my eyes. About 10-30 seconds after I close my eyes, the laugh turns into a scream, and I suddenly start to freak the fuck out. I can't move my arms and legs, but this bitch stops screaming after a little while, only now she's breathing on my neck. Breathing, breathing, breathing down on me and I can't move a god damn muscle.
It finally stops, I'm able to move again and I whip my body around on the couch to look up at where the demonic bitch was standing over me. There's nothing there so I'm like 'shitttttttt' and just lie back down because I'm exhausted. I go back to sleep, it starts all over again. I haven't sleep straight in two days.[/QUOTE]
If you think positive thoughts during paralysis, happy stuff happens, plus you enter a lucid dream.
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[QUOTE=Oblivious1;28614071]@Roxxor
Lol, if your sub makes you forget things, then I can say I'm forgetful (this part is true) because my sub made me forgetful. Maybe I'll ask him about it.[/QUOTE]
I just talked to him via ideomotor responses. Well, he says I'm forgetful because he said so or something along those lines. However, I had just experienced something really strange. When I asked him other stuff, my entire arm shook up and down as a response. I didn't do it at all, in fact, I tried to control it. I asked Oney if he was making that happen and he said yes, then he made it happen again.
Oh god, it's scary as hell and my left arm and neck don't feel right, right now. It felt like my arm might have been possessed.
My sub dosnt really make me forget or give me nightmares or anything like that, just wierd dreams that worry me a little. Come to think of it, I havent really seen K in any of my dreams. Tonight, its WILD time.
[QUOTE=teh_1337_r0XX0r;28603810]say, a repressed desire to get a blowjob from a unicorn or anything like that.[/QUOTE]
Christ, not THAT messed up.
[QUOTE=teh_1337_r0XX0r;28603810]maybe your sub is just testing the waters, so-to-speak.[/QUOTE]
I sure as hell hope not.
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[b]KING OF COUNTING[/b]
[QUOTE=Oblivious1;28615586]If you think positive thoughts during paralysis, happy stuff happens, plus you enter a lucid dream.
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I just talked to him via ideomotor responses. Well, he says I'm forgetful because he said so or something along those lines. However, I had just experienced something really strange. When I asked him other stuff, my entire arm shook up and down as a response. I didn't do it at all, in fact, I tried to control it. I asked Oney if he was making that happen and he said yes, then he made it happen again.
Oh god, it's scary as hell and my left arm and neck don't feel right, right now. It felt like my arm might have been possessed.[/QUOTE]
...well I can't say I've been in a similar situation. Now that he's shown he can do it, though, he shouldn't do it again unless there's a reason. Just in case, though, try to not piss him off. In fact, it sort of sounds like he was pissed off. I personally don't have many conflicts because me and my sub are pretty tongue-in-cheek about the whole thing, and (uh, sub is derping me, that tricky dick :D) I try very hard to keep from asking too much (it took 5 minutes to figure out what I was trying to say there). I mean, I don't want to be using up all my good-will asking about something I'd actually rather not want to know.
I dunno, I guess I sort of just treat it like I treat friends. We joke around, but we respect each other's opinions and trust each other with serious stuff too.
Then again, this probably only works that way for me because that's how I perceive the relationship, hence why people who post "This is what ___ is like for everyone" are either idiots or trolls.
...
...Scratch that, either way they're idiots.
Point being, uh....
....
...oh right. Don't get in fights with your subconscious.
No wait, you just said that a few posts ago.
...get friendly?
Hell, this post was more about responding than having a point, so I don't care anymore
I JUST had a really odd dream.
I remember waking up in it and finding myself in the state of evacuation. I'm not 100% sure what the cause was, but everyone was evacuating the city for some reason. I was with my dad alone and we were packing things up in the car. When I went back inside, I passed out. Only to wake up to my dad being gone. Me being alone. I went to open the door of my home, only to see both my ferrets outside of it. One, was dead, the other one, lost. It appears my dad left without me, and had left our ferrets behind. Judging by the sizes, it appears Butter had died. While Muffin was clinging to life.
I picked Muffin up and ran to the nearest street. Looking around, I saw no one. After walking down the road a bit, I spotted an Arabic man stacking up things in the back his pick-up truck. I asked him if I could tag along because I was left behind. He thought about it for a long time and I was nervous. Then I noticed he had a pet snake. I held Muffin back, scared for him. He said I could join if I helped him pack up his things. I did so. But without letting Muffin out of my hands, so I helped pack up by caring everything with one hand. After we finished packing up, we were just beginning to set off.
Right before, I spotted a neighboor family nearby. They were all carrying things out of their home, and were just beginning to leave as well. I shouted at them, and they recognized me. They said they don't know where they're going, but anywhere would be better than here. I wished them luck, as I did not plan on joining them and leave the Arabic man behind. Just as they set off, I yelled to them, and they stopped. I couldn't help but notice the large amount of vegetables in the back of their truck.
I asked them kindly for some. The wife told me I could take as much as I could. And I did, I could an entire wrapped arm full . Letting all of them down in the Arabic man's truck, I began to feed Muffin them. I gave him a few pieces and he ate them briefly. As well as the Arabic man feeding his snake some of it (wtf?) Then we both got in the truck and began driving.
Suddenly, I woke up in real life and began to write this. I'm guessing this is an odd reaction to the events in Japan.
I'm interested in this.
Tomorrow I am going to try and find a book I can keep my journal in.
Once I go to bed, I will try to just remember my dream at first. (Using MILD)
There are two reality checks missing from the OP that I find work; looking twice at clocks and poking your hand.
-[b]Looking twice at clocks[/b]: In dreams, clocks, specifically digital ones, will show nonsensical characters and symbols. Dream logic will tell you that this is normal, but it cannot explain why they would be different when you look away and back. Because of this, you realize you're dreaming.
-[b]Poking your hand[/b]: Like looking at your hands or pressing your tongue against your teeth, poking one of your hands in the palm will usually result in your finger going right through or stretching your hand, due to the high elasticity of objects in dreams.
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I would do more lucid dreaming if it wasn't for my crappy dream recall.
Also, does it mean anything that in all of my dreams, the sky is black with no stars?
Sleeping will be a newly created position of the first and second ends of the earth's.
[QUOTE=Eonart;28631467]Considering your guys views on spiritual things (bullshit is was?), what is your guys views on...
tarot cards[/QUOTE]
Flipping coins would be a more accurate predictor
Just sayin'
Y'know,
probability-wise
See, things could theoretically have some sort of spiritual power, but if it was inherent to the cards all images of them would do the same thing, and if it's imbued, you've gotta ask who does the imbuing. So I personally consider it to be crap, especially considering the whole 'vague prophecy' thing it's got going for it. (This is not to say there's any spiritual phenomenon I don't consider crap, but whatever)
Oh wow, gotta sleep. I'll post my LD tomorrow
[QUOTE=teh_1337_r0XX0r;28619510]...well I can't say I've been in a similar situation. Now that he's shown he can do it, though, he shouldn't do it again unless there's a reason. Just in case, though, try to not piss him off. In fact, it sort of sounds like he was pissed off. I personally don't have many conflicts because me and my sub are pretty tongue-in-cheek about the whole thing, and (uh, sub is derping me, that tricky dick :D) I try very hard to keep from asking too much (it took 5 minutes to figure out what I was trying to say there). I mean, I don't want to be using up all my good-will asking about something I'd actually rather not want to know.
I dunno, I guess I sort of just treat it like I treat friends. We joke around, but we respect each other's opinions and trust each other with serious stuff too.
Then again, this probably only works that way for me because that's how I perceive the relationship, hence why people who post "This is what ___ is like for everyone" are either idiots or trolls.[/QUOTE]
I was talking to him about what he can do about lucid dreams at first. He seemed chill. He said he won't make me lucid and that I have to do it myself. So I asked him if it had anything to do with being chivalrous. He said yes. And then that thing about being forgetful. I couldn't understand the response, I was a pen held by a chain. I guess thats when it started. I assumed it was just me losing focus or something. I asked some more stuff, it shook again. I asked him if it was him, he said. I asked him to do it again, and he did it. And then I stopped talking.
[QUOTE=ZenX2;28624682]
I would do more lucid dreaming if it wasn't for my crappy dream recall.
Also, does it mean anything that in all of my dreams, the sky is black with no stars?[/QUOTE]
It might mean your subconscious doesn't remember what the night sky looks like where you live, and therefore doesn't bother to make any in the sky. Try thinking about starry skies a lot before you go to sleep, or even about specific constellations and you may end up seeing some in dreams.
Or it could just have been really cloudy.
[QUOTE=Eonart;28631467]Considering your guys views on spiritual things (bullshit is was?)[/QUOTE]
Wait, who said this?
Im an active Christian, so I dont think all spiritual stuff is bullshit. Not all of it.
I just had a mini tv show series, hosted by my dreams. I'll post them some time soon.
Well I had said that I was going to post my LD today, thinking that if I said that like I was sure it would happen I'd feel obligated to have one.
I only had one because someone's stupid alarm was set for 6:30 AM, and when I turned it off and went back to bed I... I dunno, I guess I decided it was now or never or something. I sort of transitioned to the dream, it restarted when it wasn't to my liking, and then from there I wasn't very lucid. All I'll say is that it was about being someone sort of separate from reality, but still able to subconsciously influence one of the members of a superhero team. And it was in department store...
Anyways, this morning I had the urge to go back to bed (from this part of my brain obsessed with sleep), which my sub was opposed to. I decided to try and prove a point by not siding on one side or another. I could tell my sub was trying to stop me as I went back to bed without really deciding to. So yeah, my sub can't just do whatever it wants all the time, sometimes it needs my support. Which is nice.
I'm expecting payback, though... but if not now, then [i]when?[/i]
The suspense is killing me :D
Had another talk with my subconscious last night, in a WILD. This time he was a cat instead of a seagull. A couple things:
1) After viewing a bunch of incredibly detailed book and DVD covers created by my brain, I asked him if he was able to boost my skills to draw that stuff in real life, he said no. Asked it three times and always no.
2) I asked him how much 1 dream minute is in real life. He said "1 minute in a dream equals 6 minutes in real life". No idea how true that is but that's what it answered.
I then ended the dream by making a passenger jet crash into my neighbor's house. Started fading and found myself awake.
Haven't properly recalled a dream in ages :frown:
[QUOTE=bootv2;28639444]I'd like to start lucid dreaming, and I've read of various methods of getting into a lucid dream inside of this thread, what would be the best method for someone completely new to lucid dreaming?[/QUOTE]
try MILD for about two weeks, do reality checks and shit during the day
if after two weeks you lose interest, maybe try again another time
if after two weeks you feel determination and possibly irritation, try everything else (stuff that requires you to risk your sleep pattern)
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