Sleep and Dreams Megathread v2 - General

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;26320134]Dream chaining. Did Jake not talk about that in the OP? If not I'll explain it.[/QUOTE] please do.

I have pretty much mastered manipulating physics in my dreams, I can jump incredibly high and I have a unbreakable grip. Shits starting to get good. A dream chain is where you have a dream that spans across multiple nights of sleep, meaning you can pick up where the dream left off the previous night. I've done it quite a few times, what you do is remember where you were the last time you were dreaming and it will continue. If you are successful, you can do it many times before being unable to do so.

Okay, i read something about it. but still cannot understand having a dream that lasts a while, can feel like weeks...

fuk ur sub U DO WHAT U WANT Post your whole journal, what's the worst that could happen?

Can anybody tell me how long roughly it takes to get into a lucid dream using FILD or WILD?

Cant wait to try the ideas at the top...Especially RILD, cause i have been trying to attempt lucid dreaming for about 2 months now!

I wish you could dream, in a dream :|

You all give terrible advice, and my suggestion to just about everyone here is don't listen to advice without getting the second opinion of me or Jake. No offense to most of you, but I just want everyone to have the most fun they can. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] Dream chaining isn't having a dream and then continuing it the next day, it's continuing it across dreams. There are plenty of ways to extend dreams, and I assume Jake talked about them. If not, expect them in the next OP. Eventually, a dream must end. Once this happens, you enter a period of no REM sleep, and eventually another period of REM. Dream chaining allows you to WILD almost instantly into your next REM cycle, and it works exactly like a WILD. Keep conscious as your dream ends, then focus on making another one appear. Doing this means over the course of 10 hours of sleep, you'll go through...I believe 8 cycles of REM sleep. Theoretically time travels at 2.8x speed as it does in real life, but that's just a rough number that can be easily, EASILY manipulated. When your brain doesn't do ANYTHING, it's got a lot of brainpower to spare (like when you're asleep, for example). I'll explain more later, if anyone has questions. Say "Zin" in your post, then I can just Ctrl+F. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] You could theoretically also use FILD instead of WILD, but I say WILD because it helps you to understand what exactly you're doing. FILD's a better option, honestly. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] I'm compiling a list for the new OP of people to trust and people to not trust. Just throwing that out there.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;26345816]I wish you could dream, in a dream :|[/QUOTE] If you read the first few pages and the last few posts...you would understand that you can :frog: Sorry Zinayzen...just had to get that out...

Well my sub segested I don't add much to the bandwagon. Therefore, I will only add snippets of dreams rather than 5 paragraphs. I shall give tips to those asking. Hope I make the "trust" list. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] Damn, alright this post goes to fourm shark zin. Alt. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] Damn, alright this post goes to fourm shark zin. Alt.

uuhhhhh.... everyone is disagreeing. .......at least I think. what? [QUOTE=Zinayzen;26345977]You all give terrible advice, and my suggestion to just about everyone here is don't listen to advice without getting the second opinion of me or Jake.[/QUOTE] agreed, but Jake dosn't really post too much anymore. ...... I can hear him lurking........... [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] heh heh I think Im dreaming wait no.... I just woke up from like, 5 minutes of a WILD nap :3 [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] <3 dusk

I think zin is better at it [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] My opinions are currently on heavy bias

Question. Do I call it Sleep and Dreams Megathread v3, or Lucid Dreaming Megathread v1? I'm rewriting it to basically cut everything about sleep and just focus on the good stuff, because no one cares about sleep. I figure I'll rate the techniques based on a five star system, which, which being personal opinion, will get people to stop asking which technique is best. Also, I need a list of the top 10 questions people inevitably ask. Anyone want to help me out with that?

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;26348446]Question. Do I call it Sleep and Dreams Megathread v3, or Lucid Dreaming Megathread v1? I'm rewriting it to basically cut everything about sleep and just focus on the good stuff, because no one cares about sleep. I figure I'll rate the techniques based on a five star system, which, which being personal opinion, will get people to stop asking which technique is best. Also, I need a list of the top 10 questions people inevitably ask. Anyone want to help me out with that?[/QUOTE] Well, the first, most logical question would already be answered if they read the whole thread/OP. That question being, "How do I become lucid?" But besides that, I would suggest, "What is my 'sub conscious' and how do I summon it?"

Valid point... I need to figure out a good way to explain the subconscious/conscious relationship.

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;26345977]You all give terrible advice, and my suggestion to just about everyone here is don't listen to advice without getting the second opinion of me or Jake. No offense to most of you, but I just want everyone to have the most fun they can. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] Dream chaining isn't having a dream and then continuing it the next day, it's continuing it across dreams. There are plenty of ways to extend dreams, and I assume Jake talked about them. If not, expect them in the next OP. Eventually, a dream must end. Once this happens, you enter a period of no REM sleep, and eventually another period of REM. Dream chaining allows you to WILD almost instantly into your next REM cycle, and it works exactly like a WILD. Keep conscious as your dream ends, then focus on making another one appear. Doing this means over the course of 10 hours of sleep, you'll go through...I believe 8 cycles of REM sleep. Theoretically time travels at 2.8x speed as it does in real life, but that's just a rough number that can be easily, EASILY manipulated. When your brain doesn't do ANYTHING, it's got a lot of brainpower to spare (like when you're asleep, for example). I'll explain more later, if anyone has questions. Say "Zin" in your post, then I can just Ctrl+F. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] You could theoretically also use FILD instead of WILD, but I say WILD because it helps you to understand what exactly you're doing. FILD's a better option, honestly. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] I'm compiling a list for the new OP of people to trust and people to not trust. Just throwing that out there.[/QUOTE] Uh... I hope I'm under your 'trustworthy' section... I try very hard to avoid being one of those people who thinks they have all the answers, because I'd be lying if I said I knew what goes on in people's heads. I give theories, not facts, and when it comes to something as abstract as the inner workings of the mind, that's really all you can do; after all, everyone's different, so why in the hell couldn't their dreams work differently? I do agree that there's been a lot of 'this works, that doesn't', etc., which I do dislike. I just hope to myself that people realize their error once they get a different opinion. I guess what I'm trying to say is I really hope I haven't overstepped my bounds, because it's impossible to tell sometimes. Which can occasionally get my ass kicked. Also, I was at a party last night, and I worked out with my sub to try LDing without trying to converse, and while I didn't quite get to an LD, I feel it was close enough to empirically show that there's likely a part of my brain that doesn't want my sub to tell me whatever it is that it wants to tell me. Unfortunately, my sub has decided to keep trying to talk, LDs be damned, despite my objections. I just want to have another dream with some sort of meaning, is all... 'cause I'm more into LDing as a therapeutic tool instead of a harem simulator. Hint to all you guys out there; fixing your life might get you some in real life instead of in your dreams. But that's neither here nor there, and in any case people might just skip over this block of text anyways.... prove me wrong, internet! ;p [QUOTE=Zinayzen;26348446]Question. Do I call it Sleep and Dreams Megathread v3, or Lucid Dreaming Megathread v1? I'm rewriting it to basically cut everything about sleep and just focus on the good stuff, because no one cares about sleep. I figure I'll rate the techniques based on a five star system, which, which being personal opinion, will get people to stop asking which technique is best. Also, I need a list of the top 10 questions people inevitably ask. Anyone want to help me out with that?[/QUOTE] Oh zin, howsabout 'Why bother with lucid dreaming?' Or 'What are dreams?' Oh, and make sure if you rate methods to say that despite the ratings, you should try all of them to see what works best for them. As good as FILD sounds, I haven't had much success with it... [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Zinayzen;26348722]Valid point... I need to figure out a good way to explain the subconscious/conscious relationship.[/QUOTE] Have you heard the one about the layers of an onion? I guess it's a metaphor that tell us much, though... except if something starts going wrong on the inner layers, it can ruin the outer layers. Or not, I'm not much of an expert of onions, lol

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;26348446]Question. Do I call it Sleep and Dreams Megathread v3, or Lucid Dreaming Megathread v1? I'm rewriting it to basically cut everything about sleep and just focus on the good stuff, because no one cares about sleep. I figure I'll rate the techniques based on a five star system, which, which being personal opinion, will get people to stop asking which technique is best. Also, I need a list of the top 10 questions people inevitably ask. Anyone want to help me out with that?[/QUOTE] I'll help if I can, but im still pretty new to this (and probably insanely stupid). [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] also, group chat. now. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] go go go

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;26345977]You all give terrible advice, and my suggestion to just about everyone here is don't listen to advice without getting the second opinion of me or Jake. No offense to most of you, but I just want everyone to have the most fun they can. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] Dream chaining isn't having a dream and then continuing it the next day, it's continuing it across dreams. There are plenty of ways to extend dreams, and I assume Jake talked about them. If not, expect them in the next OP. Eventually, a dream must end. Once this happens, you enter a period of no REM sleep, and eventually another period of REM. Dream chaining allows you to WILD almost instantly into your next REM cycle, and it works exactly like a WILD. Keep conscious as your dream ends, then focus on making another one appear. Doing this means over the course of 10 hours of sleep, you'll go through...I believe 8 cycles of REM sleep. Theoretically time travels at 2.8x speed as it does in real life, but that's just a rough number that can be easily, EASILY manipulated. When your brain doesn't do ANYTHING, it's got a lot of brainpower to spare (like when you're asleep, for example). I'll explain more later, if anyone has questions. Say "Zin" in your post, then I can just Ctrl+F. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] You could theoretically also use FILD instead of WILD, but I say WILD because it helps you to understand what exactly you're doing. FILD's a better option, honestly. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] I'm compiling a list for the new OP of people to trust and people to not trust. Just throwing that out there.[/QUOTE] This post makes you look like a conceited asshole. I know people think highly of you and stuff, but really.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;26339985] Your sub does not want you to post your dreams. Your sub does not want you to follow the bandwagon. [/QUOTE] I guess my sub is kinda different. We would rather me not post dreams, but his official answer was "meh" We are mildly amused by the bandwagon [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=TJCTakSUn;26349223]This post makes you look like a conceited asshole. I know people think highly of you and stuff, but really.[/QUOTE] truth hurts, fool.

How do I enter a lucid state after coming to the conclusion that I am probably dreaming? A lot of times, if I stay up until ~3AM on the computer doing absolutely nothing but browsing random forums or playing video games, I have vivid, realistic dreams shortly after falling asleep in which I am back on my computer fucking around. I usually look at a clock and say "oh shit it's 4AM!," then remember that I already went to bed. However, I'm never able to do anything. Like when I realize I'm dreaming, I'm in my room, and I try to change the scenery by closing my eyes, but the last time I did that I ended up waking up when I opened them instead.

Zin, I do hope you're not referencing my post (the joke towards forum shark) when talking about people to not trust.

aaaaaand suddenly everyone is kissing Zin's ass heh heh, time to go get some popcorn and munchies; dis gon b gud.

more like nobody wants to have the op say "don't listen to this person" which isn't really ass kissing but more covering your own.

true. well, im bored as hell; im gonna go play alien swarm until my eyes bleed.

ok gnight it's 10 before 1am

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;26349346]How do I enter a lucid state after coming to the conclusion that I am probably dreaming? A lot of times, if I stay up until ~3AM on the computer doing absolutely nothing but browsing random forums or playing video games, I have vivid, realistic dreams shortly after falling asleep in which I am back on my computer fucking around. I usually look at a clock and say "oh shit it's 4AM!," then remember that I already went to bed. However, I'm never able to do anything. Like when I realize I'm dreaming, I'm in my room, and I try to change the scenery by closing my eyes, but the last time I did that I ended up waking up when I opened them instead.[/QUOTE] This was me about a month or two ago. Honestly, just try to get to sleep around 11-12. not only are you more awake during the day and have more REM periods, but it tells yourself you have at least a few priorities. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] ok now im leaving

Hey Zin, I think that naming the thread Lucid Dreaming Megathread V1 would be a good idea, as sleep in general isn't really as important or interesting in as many people's minds. Also the new title might bring more people, who otherwise might not approach the thread. A few questions that most new dreamers might have are: How long before I can begin to Lucid Dream? How long should I keep a dream journal for before I attempt to Lucid Dream? How long until I can summon my subconscious? How can I extend my Lucid Dreams? Those are all I can think of off the top of my head.

[QUOTE=TJCTakSUn;26349223]This post makes you look like a conceited asshole. I know people think highly of you and stuff, but really.[/QUOTE] Look, here's the deal. People come here looking for advice. I'm the most qualified person to give advice, so I give it. It's kind of "my thing". I don't care if other people also give advice, as long as they're qualified to give it, but I still want people to defer to me for a second opinion, because this is important stuff and it can be fucked up easily. Also, it's my thread and I can do what I want, I can be an asshole because people will listen to me anyway, the truth hurts, etc.

I'm not certain it was a WILD, but being half-conscious after a huge chain of dreams this morning, I lay there and felt very relaxed/heavy, and let my mind wander into a vague dream, though it was very delicate and I kept sort of falling out of it by sudden jabs of awareness and itching. Borderline WILD, possibly?

^ Thats what I call dusk But I dont know what it actually is. Happens to me a lot though.