[QUOTE=SatansSin;42508752]the officers in those areas aren't trained to talk to a robber with a gun, considering some of them get their heads cut off with knives and shit like that that is barbaric as fuck.
so the cop shot the guy, and what seems like he killed him. It may be a life gone, but it's not a life worth crying or debating over.[/QUOTE]
OKAY the point I am getting across is that it is never cool when a human being dies.
this
[QUOTE=SatansSin;42508752] It may be a life gone, but it's not a life worth crying or debating over.[/QUOTE]
is the attitude I am posting against. it's messed up.
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=nivek;42508769]Okay so anyone who has the balls to steal something and use deadly force is free to do so? Criminals should be able to have whatever they want without a fight?
A video like this sends a message to criminals, that they are gambling with their own lives over a possession that someone else worked hard for. I'm not saying he deserves to die necessarily, however when you're willing to put someone elses life in such little regard, you deserve it. What if in shock the guy who owned the bike didn't get off and was murdered?[/QUOTE]
Well I couldn't even make out that dude was a cop. Of course police officers should intervene, but I was talking under the assumption it was a citizen. It's not worth risking ANY life over. Leave it to the authorities.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508761]the video is shaking around so much and he's in the distance so I didn't catch that and who knows I doubt many other people did either
it's still pretty tragic that it had to happen and not even remotely bad ass like all the winners these videos always get[/QUOTE]
Most people lose sympathy when the person who is injured or killed is committing an aggressive violent act against an innocent person.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508771]OKAY the point I am getting across is that it is never cool when a human being dies.
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I agree man, but in the real world someone will shoot you in the head for your phone and wallet. I live not to far from where an infant child was shot IN THE FACE in broad daylight during a robbery. I'm all for the preservation of human life but I'm more for the preservation of good innocent human life.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508713]it's not worth potentially killing a man over.[/QUOTE]
that depends where you are tbh
[QUOTE=nivek;42508784]I agree man, but in the real world someone will shoot you in the head for your phone and wallet. I live not to far from where an infant child was shot IN THE FACE in broad daylight during a robbery. I'm all for the preservation of human life but I'm more for the preservation of good innocent human life.[/QUOTE]
Do you live in Brunswick?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508713]ok i watched the vid.
my point stands. just let the guy drive off. it's still just a thing. it's not worth potentially killing a man over.[/QUOTE]
The robber obviously had the interest in shooting someone over a motorcycle so what does that say?
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;42508778]Most people lose sympathy when the person who is injured or killed is committing an aggressive violent act against an innocent person.[/QUOTE]
It's not sympathy, it's empathy. Basic human empathy. You don't know anything about the guy's situation. Yeah he did a horrible thing but did he deserve to die for it? Absolutely not. We watch movies about criminals all the time and when it's from their point of view, we love them for it, because we know their story. If you knew this guys story, maybe you'd have a lot more sympathy, maybe you wouldn't. But no loss of human life is ever a good thing, no matter who it is.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508771]
Well I couldn't even make out that dude was a cop. Of course police officers should intervene, but I was talking under the assumption it was a citizen. It's not worth risking ANY life over. Leave it to the authorities.[/QUOTE]
Hey I wanna agree with that, someone elses possession isn't worth risking life over. But cop or not he made a really quick decision to do what he thought was the right thing, it's hard to break down the situation as it happens. It is unfortunate but the way it unfolded wasn't so bad, it could have been much worse.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508740]at that point you are just shooting because of the theft, not the fact he had a gun (which he clearly was not going to use at that point).[/QUOTE]
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please stop
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;42508787]Do you live in Brunswick?[/QUOTE]
A bit north of NYC, it happened in Brooklyn a few times actually.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508740]letting a thief rob you so nobody gets hurt, as much of a piece of shit you think the robber is, is not spewing poop. it's being a good person. the danger had passed, he was about to ride away on the bike. at that point you are just shooting because of the theft, not the fact he had a gun (which he clearly was not going to use at that point). imagine killing a man because he tried to take away a thing you own (or someone elses thing). real life isn't GTA, that's fucked up. nobody deserves to get shot once the danger has passed.
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
i'd probably have gotten it insured, so no.[/QUOTE]
I should just always give thieves whatever the they want even if I have the means to stop them (with lethal force nonetheless)? No, fuck that
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;42508788]The robber obviously had the interest in shooting someone over a motorcycle so what does that say?[/QUOTE]
How do you know that though? How do you know the gun even had bullets? He expected the guy to just get off after a gun wave, maybe if the guy had put up a struggle they would have moved onto someone else more willing to give up the bike. You don't know anything about the people involved, it is so morbid how people try to justify his death just because he was committing a crime.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508789]It's not sympathy, it's empathy. Basic human empathy. You don't know anything about the guy's situation. Yeah he did a horrible thing but did he deserve to die for it? Absolutely not. We watch movies about criminals all the time and when it's from their point of view, we love them for it, because we know their story. If you knew this guys story, maybe you'd have a lot more sympathy, maybe you wouldn't. But no loss of human life is ever a good thing, no matter who it is.[/QUOTE]
[B]I feel for the less fortunate, but as soon as the less fortune take up violence I lose all compassion. When the less fortunate want me dead to have what is mine I lose any compassion.[/B]
Anyway in this video it appears the "bad guy" raised the gun first when he had a clear opportunity to drop it.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42508801]I should just always give thieves whatever the they want even if I have the means to stop them (with lethal force nonetheless)?[/QUOTE]
yes. you can replace your stuff but you can't replace someone's life
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508771]OKAY the point I am getting across is that it is never cool when a human being dies.
this
is the attitude I am posting against. it's messed up.
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
Well I couldn't even make out that dude was a cop. Of course police officers should intervene, but I was talking under the assumption it was a citizen. It's not worth risking ANY life over. Leave it to the authorities.[/QUOTE]
Hope you haven't given out too much personal info to the internets. Someone might use that information to locate you and rob you blind, because you seem to be the perfect target to rob.
"You want this TV too while you're at it? Or how about my brand new bicycle that I just bought? It's yours if you want it."
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508806]How do you know that though? How do you know the gun even had bullets? [/QUOTE]
When someone points a gun at you, you don't wanna take that chance.
Insurance isn't really a thing here.
Even if it was, we pay enough taxes already just to drive the damn thing we bought.
[QUOTE=nivek;42508815]When someone points a gun at you, you don't wanna take that chance.[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly why I said to just let them rob you! You are arguing for me now!
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508806]How do you know that though? How do you know the gun even had bullets? He expected the guy to just get off after a gun wave, maybe if the guy had put up a struggle they would have moved onto someone else more willing to give up the bike. You don't know anything about the people involved, it is so morbid how people try to justify his death just because he was committing a crime.[/QUOTE]
He pointed it at an armed police officer, he didn't just "move on" or give up. He proved he had the capacity to commit violence with that act.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508819]Which is exactly why I said to just let them rob you! You are arguing for me now![/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCP85FngzE[/media]
Yes.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508819]Which is exactly why I said to just let them rob you! You are arguing for me now![/QUOTE]
Yeah that attitude will go a long way in fighting crime
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508812]yes. you can replace your stuff but you can't replace someone's life[/QUOTE]
What if the thing they want to steal has sentimental value?
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42508832]Yeah that attitude will go a long way in fighting crime[/QUOTE]
Uhh, ask literally ANY police officer. They will say the exact same thing as me. Always comply with a robber. It minimizes risk to anybody. Because the most important thing to preserve is not your cash, but human life.
And it's not your job to fight crime, you're not a police officer.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508819]Which is exactly why I said to just let them rob you! You are arguing for me now![/QUOTE]
I was speaking more toward the guy who shot him, he couldn't have known if it were loaded or not so he shot him.
It's a tough situation if you're being robbed by someone who is a armed and you are armed. I don't want to be murdered for my shit so I'd give it away, but I also don't wanna be murdered after my shit is gone, and I don't want that asshole to go murder someone else over their shit.
Basically I think this situation went pretty well and the robber got what he deserved, he knew what he was getting himself in to and could have hurt someone.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508848]Uhh, ask literally ANY police officer. They will say the exact same thing as me. Always comply with a robber. It minimizes risk to anybody. Because the most important thing to preserve is not your cash, but human life.[/QUOTE]
The guy was a police officer not a victim. You're not making any sense.
What you've been saying is the police officer should have let the robber hold him at gunpoint, possibly shoot him and drive away
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42508854]The guy was a police officer not a victim. You're not making any sense.[/QUOTE]
i'm not talking about the video anymore I am responding to people's posts about other scenarios
The only reason Rusty keeps saying a life is a life and is not worth losing over an object is because he's from some upper-class, wealthy family where monetary value doesn't mean much to him.
If someone tried to rob my car or bike that I'd worked hard to get, I'd sure as fuck not just let them drive away with it, insured or no. The guy had a gun and intended to use it with deadly force (shoving it in the bike riders face and raising it at the cop). He's scum and deserves what he got. I'd rather he died than an innocent biker or cop.
I wish the cop aimed for the head.
This excuse of a person is gonna kill someone the next time.
There's no rehab in this country, the only thing he'll learn from this is to never point a gun at someone if you won't shoot him straight away. Next time he'll shoot straight away.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42508840]What if the thing they want to steal has sentimental value?[/QUOTE]
It's still just that, a thing
A video in which a dude gets shot (maybe dies?) should not be getting winner ratings. That's fucked dude.
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