[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508873]A video in which a dude gets shot (maybe dies?) should not be getting winner ratings. That's fucked dude.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, he didn't die.
[QUOTE=loopoo;42508863]The only reason Rusty keeps saying a life is a life and is not worth losing over an object is because he's from some upper-class, wealthy family where monetary value doesn't mean much to him.
If someone tried to rob my car or bike that I'd worked hard to get, I'd sure as fuck not just let them drive away with it, insured or no. The guy had a gun and intended to use it with deadly force (shoving it in the bike riders face and raising it at the cop). He's scum and deserves what he got. I'd rather he died than an innocent biker or cop.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah dude human life is worth less than your stuff the harder you work for it! Gimme a break.
Regardless of your wealth class, if someone robs you with a gun they may decide they don't want you, who saw their face, to be alive after they have your shit.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;42508877]Unfortunately, he didn't die.[/QUOTE]
you people are messed up
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508848]Uhh, ask literally ANY police officer. They will say the exact same thing as me. Always comply with a robber. It minimizes risk to anybody. Because the most important thing to preserve is not your cash, but human life.
And it's not your job to fight crime, you're not a police officer.[/QUOTE]
Is the armed robbery a key here? If some shit smear comes up to me in dark alley and threatens to beat me if I don't give him my hard earned dough, am I justified to beat the living shit out of him, or is the robber the real victim here if I decide to do so?
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42508667]He did have a gun Rusty
Still don't think petty robbers forfeit their life though[/QUOTE]
Petty robbers? He threatened that guys life.
As far as I'm concerned this was perfectly justified.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508878]Oh yeah dude human life is worth less than your stuff the harder you work for it! Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you post your address if criminals are welcome to whatever possession you have?
[QUOTE=Jallen;42508887]Petty robbers? He threatened that guys life.
As far as I'm concerned this was perfectly justified.[/QUOTE]
Cool thanks for keeping me up to date with your opinions
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508861]i'm not talking about the video anymore I am responding to people's posts about other scenarios[/QUOTE]
it's the exact same, you're saying people should risk getting killed themselves just so that whoever robbed them can get away with it. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
[QUOTE=Crazy;42508882]Is the armed robbery a key here? If some shit smear comes up to me in dark alley and threatens to beat me if I don't give him my hard earned dough, am I justified to beat the living shit out of him, or is the robber the real victim here if I decide to do so?[/QUOTE]
You know, there are laws about reasonable force. Even in the eyes of the law, yes, the robber can become the victim if you beat him within an inch of his life.
Or just hand over you wallet and nobody gets hurt and you report the theft to the police and they try and track down the man with your description.
Y'know, the reasonable thing to do?
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42508899]it's the exact same, you're saying people should risk getting killed themselves just so that whoever robbed them can get away with it. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?[/QUOTE]
What? you are risking your life if you TRY and stop them, not if you let it happen. that MINIMIZES the risk.
do you realise that raising a gun to a person who has a gun, hugely increases either parties chance of being shot? obviously the cop had every right and reason to do so, but a citizen does not and should not.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508878]Oh yeah dude human life is worth less than your stuff the harder you work for it! Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]
Saying something like this is easy when you're a middle class white dude who hasn't done any manual labor in his life
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508878]Oh yeah dude human life is worth less than your stuff the harder you work for it! Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]
The bit you are missing is that he pointed a gun at the guy.
The way I see it is it's better that he was killed there than being able to get away and later shoot someone.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508901]You know, there are laws about reasonable force. Even in the eyes of the law, yes, the robber can become the victim if you beat him within an inch of his life.
Or just hand over you wallet and nobody gets hurt and you report the theft to the police and they try and track down the man with your description.
Y'know, the reasonable thing to do?[/QUOTE]
My psyche is very vulnerable. It might take years of intensive therapy for me to get over that.
While I'm weeping and showing money that I don't have into the therapists pockets, the robber is buying nice things with my money.
How is that justice?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42508914]Saying something like this is easy when you're a middle class white dude who hasn't done any manual labor in his life[/QUOTE]
10/10 argument Rusty you should probably kill yourself
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508878]Oh yeah dude human life is worth less than your stuff the harder you work for it! Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is, it probably is.
[QUOTE=Jallen;42508921]The bit you are missing is that he pointed a gun at the guy.
The way I see it is it's better that he was killed there than being able to get away and later shoot someone.[/QUOTE]
So now we're in Minority Report territory and justifying killing a man because of potential future crimes?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508873]A video in which a dude gets shot (maybe dies?) should not be getting winner ratings. That's fucked dude.[/QUOTE]
It's not about "A video in which a dude gets shot" its about some idiot points a gun around and thinks he can take whatever the fuck he wants,and he has to deal with the consequences
Yes it sucks that he died but the police officer was just doing his job,and as someone who has done a very very small police course,if a life is threatened in [b]any[/b] way they lose any rights they would have had before he pointed the gun around.
No disrespect but try looking at the video the other point of view,Im sure you will understand
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508934]So now we're in Minority Report territory and justifying killing a man because of potential future crimes?[/QUOTE]
Threatening somebody's life by pointing a gun in their face is equivalent to murder in my eyes.
[QUOTE=Scot;42508927]The funny thing is, it probably is.[/QUOTE]
No dude any human life is far more valuable than your flatscreen TV or your car
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508901]
What? you are risking your life if you TRY and stop them, not if you let it happen. that MINIMIZES the risk.
do you realise that raising a gun to a person who has a gun, hugely increases either parties chance of being shot? obviously the cop had every right and reason to do so, but a citizen does not and should not.[/QUOTE]
You should probably pay more attention to what you're saying, if you're even trying of making sense or having a coherent opinion.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508806]How do you know that though? How do you know the gun even had bullets? He expected the guy to just get off after a gun wave, maybe if the guy had put up a struggle they would have moved onto someone else more willing to give up the bike. You don't know anything about the people involved, it is so morbid how people try to justify his death just because he was committing a crime.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42508943]No dude any human life is far more valuable than your flatscreen TV or your car[/QUOTE]
I mean in actual monetary value. The human body is worth about £2k I think.
As I've said before many many times.
Don't do the crime, if you can't dodge bullets.
If you die while doing your choice of profession, well, thought luck fuckwit. Every profession has it's downsides.
[QUOTE=Scot;42508956]I mean in actual monetary value. The human body is worth about £2k I think.[/QUOTE]
But we don't measure human life in monetary value
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Crazy;42508957]As I've said before many many times.
Don't do the crime, if you can't dodge bullets.
If you die while doing your choice of profession, well, thought luck fuckwit. Every profession has it's downsides.[/QUOTE]
For some reason I doubt your response to a cop or soldier dying in the line of duty is "Boo hoo babies get over it"
[QUOTE=matty928;42508935]No disrespect but try looking at the video the other point of view,Im sure you will understand[/QUOTE]
The thing is that I look at the video from everyone's point of view.
The police officer probably didn't want to kill anybody that day and wished he hadn't had to.
The biker didn't want to get his bike stolen. And the robber didn't want to get killed. It's a horrible situation and no loss of life is a win for anybody. Imagine a scenario in which the robber has a family he is trying to provide for. Imagine he got killed stealing from you. I don't know about you, but I would think, gosh, I can't believe a guy, with a life of his own, had to die. I should have just let it happen and reported it.
I think i should point out that robbers are different here.
They're desperate, most of them are on drugs, they'll kill you over a watch you're failing to take off your arm at that moment.
If they ever get caught, they go to a crime school, which we often call prison, to get better at whatever they were doing.
Really, just kill them and send their organs to hospitals.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;42508983]Really, just kill them and send their organs to hospitals.[/QUOTE]
woah
When you commit a crime you can expect consequences. If you're robbing from someone you can expect to face said consequences. If we let everyone get away with theft and crime there would never be consequence to peoples actions and therefore people will continue to commit crimes like it means nothing. It's stupid to say he should have just let him go.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;42508983]I think i should point out that robbers are different here.
They're desperate, most of them are on drugs, they'll kill you over a watch you're failing to take off your arm at that moment.
[/QUOTE]
good job trying to dehumanize them. the harsh reality is that they are probably just like you or me but had an incredibly traumatic or hard life or fell under intense times. nobody puts themselves in life or death situations because that was the easiest option.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508977]The thing is that I look at the video from everyone's point of view.
The police officer probably didn't want to kill anybody that day and wished he hadn't had to.
The biker didn't want to get his bike stolen. And the robber didn't want to get killed. It's a horrible situation and no loss of life is a win for anybody. Imagine a scenario in which the robber has a family he is trying to provide for. Imagine he got killed stealing from you. I don't know about you, but I would think, gosh, I can't believe a guy, with a life of his own, had to die. I should have just let it happen and reported it.[/QUOTE]
How sheltered are you? You keep talking about reporting it to the police - as if the police will actually be able to do jack-shit. Our house recently got robbed, my sister lost 600 pounds, a tonne of her valuables, a HDD containing photos from years ago and the douchebag stole her passport. My brother (who used to work in Finance in Dubai), lost about 4k worth of shit in watches / wallets / other stuff, as well as his laptop.
We reported it to the police, they didn't do jack-shit. The guy even came back for a second attempt at robbery and had full run of our house and the police didn't respond. When they eventually caught him, he claimed he didn't do it and we still haven't gotten anything of our items back. A month and a half later. Reporting it to police really doesn't make a difference, you're likely to never see your things again.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508740]i'd probably have gotten it insured, so no.[/QUOTE]
Having your vehicle be insured won't make it reappear in front of your house when it's stolen. Vehicle Insurance is mandatory in France yet when you lose your car it's still a huge deal because you'll have to get a new one, finish paying the credit for the first car if it wasn't done already AND start a new credit for the new car, which takes time, will make you lose a lot of work time and is generally a pain in the ass. Not to mention all the stuff left in your vehicle that isn't insured.
So yeah, it is a pretty big deal, insurance or not.
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