[QUOTE=Matthew0505;42509021]Feeling empathy for the enemy is never a good idea.[/QUOTE]
this isn't an anime, this is real life
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508995]good job trying to dehumanize them. the harsh reality is that they are probably just like you or me but had an incredibly traumatic or hard life or fell under intense times. nobody puts themselves in life or death situations because that was the easiest option.[/QUOTE]
The more likely scenario is the dude is uneducated and got in with the wrong crowd and wants easy money (from upstanding members of society) to fuel his shitty habits. I highly doubt he's got a fucking family of four to feed lol, he's probably thinking of getting his next fix.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;42509021]Feeling empathy for the enemy is never a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Classifying criminals as "the enemy" isn't a good idea either. They're people who made either a series of or just one really bad decision, not Nazis on Normandy beach.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508977]The thing is that I look at the video from everyone's point of view.
The police officer probably didn't want to kill anybody that day and wished he hadn't had to.
The biker didn't want to get his bike stolen. And the robber didn't want to get killed. It's a horrible situation and no loss of life is a win for anybody. Imagine a scenario in which the robber has a family he is trying to provide for. Imagine he got killed stealing from you. I don't know about you, but I would think, gosh, I can't believe a guy, with a life of his own, had to die. I should have just let it happen and reported it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it sucks that somebody had to die, but if he raised a gun at an armed police officer (who probably was not going to shoot the robber, just arrest him) then it's better for the criminal to die than the officer, to be honest. Ideal situation would be nobody died - but this is a better outcome than an officer dying.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42509018]Having your vehicle be insured won't make it reappear in front of your house when it's stolen. Vehicle Insurance is mandatory in France yet when you lose your car it's still a huge deal because you'll have to get a new one, finish paying the credit for the first car if it wasn't done already AND start a new credit for the new car, which takes time, will make you lose a lot of work time and is generally a pain in the ass. Not to mention all the stuff left in your vehicle that isn't insured.
So yeah, it is a pretty big deal, insurance or not.[/QUOTE]
is nobody getting the fact i don't give a rats ass how hard you worked for stuff or how hard it is to replace because it's still not worth another human being dying over?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508977]The thing is that I look at the video from everyone's point of view.
The police officer probably didn't want to kill anybody that day and wished he hadn't had to.
The biker didn't want to get his bike stolen. And the robber didn't want to get killed. It's a horrible situation and no loss of life is a win for anybody. Imagine a scenario in which the robber has a family he is trying to provide for. Imagine he got killed stealing from you. I don't know about you, but I would think, gosh, I can't believe a guy, with a life of his own, had to die. I should have just let it happen and reported it.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but generally those that have to resort to theft to provide for their families don't look like your stereotypical gangster and aim to steal cars. They usually try to steal food or some other necessity.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509023]this isn't an anime, this is real life[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's exactly why feeling empathy for the enemy is a bad idea
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509025]The more likely scenario is the dude is uneducated and got in with the wrong crowd and wants easy money (from upstanding members of society) to fuel his shitty habits. I highly doubt he's got a fucking family of four to feed lol, he's probably thinking of getting his next fix.[/QUOTE]
that in itself is a pretty dire situation. and now this poor miserable guy is dead. (not really, but let's speak hypothetically here, because I know you'd view this scenario the same way if he had died because of your insatiable blood lust and warped understanding of justice because you got bullied in high school)
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42508970]But we don't measure human life in monetary value
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
For some reason I doubt your response to a cop or soldier dying in the line of duty is "Boo hoo babies get over it"[/QUOTE]
Do you see many soldiers on the front lines going akimbo and acting all immortal and shit? No, they know the risks and they know that their life can end with a wrong peek around the corner.
Do you see cops going to a shootout guns blazing and whipping backflips and kung-fu moves? No, they know the risks and act accordingly.
How many robbers you see coming all high and mighty armed with a .22 and a raging stiffy for being such a fucking bad dude? Fucking loads. They do shitty decisions which lead into shitty outcomes.
I think the important thing which is being missed a lot here is that he threatened the guys life. That is the serious offense. That is why it was justified for the cop to shoot him.
The theft is not the big issue here. All that matters is that he pointed a gun in an innocent man's face.
[QUOTE=Scot;42508956]I mean in actual monetary value. The human body is worth about £2k I think.[/QUOTE]
even if you were to be so unbelievably callous as to measure human life in monetary value, the statistical value of a life (ie the amount of money required to the reduce the average number of deaths per year in a group by 1) is ~$7,000,000
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509045]that in itself is a pretty dire situation. and now this poor miserable guy is dead. (not really, but let's speak hypothetically here, because I know you'd view this scenario the same way if he had died because of your insatiable blood lust and warped understanding of justice because you got bullied in high school)[/QUOTE]
ouch what a counter!
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508977]The thing is that I look at the video from everyone's point of view.
The police officer probably didn't want to kill anybody that day and wished he hadn't had to.
The biker didn't want to get his bike stolen. And the robber didn't want to get killed. It's a horrible situation and no loss of life is a win for anybody. Imagine a scenario in which the robber has a family he is trying to provide for. Imagine he got killed stealing from you. I don't know about you, but I would think, gosh, I can't believe a guy, with a life of his own, had to die. I should have just let it happen and reported it.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely I completely agree with you on that,It was a horrible situation that none of us would want to be in,but sometimes these things happen and I if anything was to be taken from this video it's like you said if people have a family or are desperate for money,their are many other things to do,but if what you do is steal peoples valuables via threat,their will be consequences.
and saying "its justice".etc etc yes maybe a bit harsh but
If 1 thief watches this and thinks "shit that could be me" thats all that matters
[QUOTE=matty928;42509064]It was a horrible situation [/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/winner.png[/img] x52
what a shame the majority doesn't see it that way
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509029]is nobody getting the fact i don't give a rats ass how hard you worked for stuff or how hard it is to replace because it's still not worth another human being dying over?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but not all human beings have equal worth and if a human being is actively shitting over other people's lives and threatening to kill them then he's a direct threat and must be dealt with accordingly.
That's why self-defense is a thing.
How sheltered and naive do you have to be to believe what you're saying.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509029]is nobody getting the fact i don't give a rats ass how hard you worked for stuff or how hard it is to replace because it's still not worth another human being dying over?[/QUOTE]
Do you give much of your things to charity or are you just acting high and noble?
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;42509072]Really dude? You mean real life isn't like some magic girl show where feeling bad for bad people will magically heal them?!![/QUOTE]
no, I mean in real life, the ability to empathize with any living thing is not a bad thing.
enemies are dehumanized on the battlefield to make soldiers better killing machines.
not in every day living.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508977]The thing is that I look at the video from everyone's point of view.
The police officer probably didn't want to kill anybody that day and wished he hadn't had to.
The biker didn't want to get his bike stolen. And the robber didn't want to get killed. It's a horrible situation and no loss of life is a win for anybody. Imagine a scenario in which the robber has a family he is trying to provide for. Imagine he got killed stealing from you. I don't know about you, but I would think, gosh, I can't believe a guy, with a life of his own, had to die. I should have just let it happen and reported it.[/QUOTE]
Except you dont rob a motorbike if you want to feed your family
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508995]good job trying to dehumanize them. the harsh reality is that they are probably just like you or me but had an incredibly traumatic or hard life or fell under intense times. nobody puts themselves in life or death situations because that was the easiest option.[/QUOTE]
Maybe that's the case in Australia.
Robbers here will rob you because they can, most of the time they have shelter and food on their table.
They'll rob your money, most of the time, just to buy nice clothes.
If they ever get caught, they'll feel no regret because robbing is like some kind of sport to them. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, but they always have a another chance.
Again, i'm talking only about Brazil, specially Northwest and Southwest.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509045]that in itself is a pretty dire situation. and now this poor miserable guy is dead. (not really, but let's speak hypothetically here, because I know you'd view this scenario the same way if he had died because of your insatiable blood lust and warped understanding of justice because you got bullied in high school)[/QUOTE]
He's a poor miserable guy because he chose to make bad decisions in his life and threaten the safety and security of other people (who hadn't made bad decisions)? I could easily have gotten into shitty habits when I was younger and fuelled it by thieving (as some friends of mine have done), but I realized it was better off if I just left well enough alone.
What annoys me is the fact that some innocent guy on his bike could have potentially ended up dead. A guy who is more likely to have a wife and kids. A guy who didn't leave that morning with a gun strapped to his belt, knowing full well he'd be waving it in someone's face.
The robber made the decision to leave that morning with the gun. I couldn't care less about his "circumstances". There are other avenues you can go through to help yourself if you're in such dire circumstances, you don't have to automatically resort to using deadly force to steal from people. . If the cop had died in his stead, that would have been awful, since an innocent man lost his life trying to save another. The kid would have drove off and not thought twice about it, and perhaps committed crime again.
I'm not the one with a warped sense of justice, you are.
Also, yeah he's in such dire circumstances, one dude is wearing a Hollister hoodie and the other is wearing an A&F shirt. Shit must be real tough for them.
[QUOTE=Crazy;42509052]Do you see many soldiers on the front lines going akimbo and acting all immortal and shit? No, they know the risks and they know that their life can end with a wrong peek around the corner.
Do you see cops going to a shootout guns blazing and whipping backflips and kung-fu moves? No, they know the risks and act accordingly.
How many robbers you see coming all high and mighty armed with a .22 and a raging stiffy for being such a fucking bad dude? Fucking loads. They do shitty decisions which lead into shitty outcomes.[/QUOTE]
Does this post make sense in your bloodlust-addled mind? What do your 80's action movie fantasies have to do with criminals?
No you don't see cops doing back flips and kung-fu moves (Are you eleven???), you also don't see very many criminals doing backflips because they're not cartoon characters.
And guess what dude not every cop and soldier is the most professional being on the planet, just like criminals they are also people and they make all the same dumb mistakes as people.
It was a real shitty thing that the guy had to die, but when you start waving your gun at a police officer you really are asking to be shot at.
[QUOTE=Crazy;42509083]Do you give much of your things to charity or are you just acting high and noble?[/QUOTE]
yeah, guess i'm just acting high and super noble because I think loss of human life always sucks regardless of who it was. you got it dude.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42509078]I'm sorry but not all human beings have equal worth and if a human being is actively shitting over other people's lives and threatening to kill them then he's a direct threat and must be dealt with accordingly.
That's why self-defense is a thing.
How sheltered and naive do you have to be to believe what you're saying.[/QUOTE]
self-defence is a thing if it's a case of your life or theirs. thats not the case with robbers, they just want your stuff.
Haha, as always, you've called in KTT.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508873]A video in which a dude gets shot (maybe dies?) should not be getting winner ratings. That's fucked dude.[/QUOTE]
Rated the video winner just to spite you.
[QUOTE=-Iker-;42509087]Except you dont rob a motorbike if you want to feed your family[/QUOTE]
uh if you want to sell the motorbike you do? but i expect that kind of shortsightedness from this forum from all the stuff you guys are saying.
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=RetaDepa;42509109]Rated the video winner just to spite you.[/QUOTE]
way to go dude!
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509093]He's a poor miserable guy because he chose to make bad decisions in his life and threaten the safety and security of other people (who hadn't made bad decisions)? I could easily have gotten into shitty habits when I was younger and fuelled it by thieving (as some friends of mine have done), but I realized it was better off if I just left well enough alone.
What annoys me is the fact that some innocent guy on his bike could have potentially ended up dead. A guy who is more likely to have a wife and kids. A guy who didn't leave that morning with a gun strapped to his belt, knowing full well he'd be waving it in someone's face.
The robber made the decision to leave that morning with the gun. I couldn't care less about his "circumstances". There are other avenues you can go through to help yourself if you're in such dire circumstances, you don't have to automatically resort to using deadly force to steal from people. . If the cop had died in his stead, that would have been awful, since an innocent man lost his life trying to save another. The kid would have drove off and not thought twice about it, and perhaps committed crime again.[/QUOTE]
what if the guy being robbed was himself a robber too??
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509107]Haha, as always, you've called in KTT.[/QUOTE]
no just sharing with them this shameful display so we can talk about how you are bad people in private. i don't need people to back me up. i do enjoy reviling in the hopelessness of most of this forum in private though.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;42509103]self-defence is a thing if it's a case of your life or theirs. thats not the case with robbers, they just want your stuff.[/QUOTE]
Except the guy pulled a gun and aimed at a police officer so it is self defense.
This whole thread reminds me of that one time sobotnik found a video of a guy feeding his pet snake with a live mouse and he called the owner a murderer or something.
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