[QUOTE=Hellduck;42509119]what if the guy being robbed was himself a robber too??[/QUOTE]
What if he was a woman-beater and an animal abuser. What's your point? He's guilty until proven innocent? That's ridiculous. For all intents and purposes, he seems to be a normal member of society. What point are you even trying to make.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42509127]Except the guy pulled a gun and aimed at a police officer so it is self defense.[/QUOTE]
Apparently in 2013 a gun in your face isn't threatening enough
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509125]no just sharing with them this shameful display so we can talk about how you are bad people in private. i don't need people to back me up. i do enjoy reviling in the hopelessness of most of this forum in private though.[/QUOTE]
I don't get why you seem to think the opinion of "The guy is scum and could have killed someone, so it's not a huge loss to humanity that he died" is "Fuck yes glad he died the cop should have shot him more".
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
This entire shit storm started because you didn't even watch the video to begin with. It's like you had an agenda coming into this thread and wanted to stir things up without even watching the video.
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509138]I don't get why you seem to think the opinion of "The guy is scum and could have killed someone, so it's not a huge loss to humanity that he died" is [I]"Fuck yes glad he died the cop should have shot him more".[/I][/QUOTE]
do you even know what website you are on right now? because is literally the majority opinion right there
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509129]What if he was a woman-beater and an animal abuser. What's your point? He's guilty until proven innocent? That's ridiculous. For all intents and purposes, he seems to be a normal member of society. What point are you even trying to make.[/QUOTE]
that was your point, you were the one going on about how the guy was a sweet innocent angel and didnt deserve to be shot but the robber did because he robs people. what if the guy getting robbed was an even worse person?
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;42509133]Apparently in 2013 a gun in your face isn't threatening enough[/QUOTE]
the gun is only actually going to be used on you if you don't comply
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42509095]Does this post make sense in your bloodlust-addled mind? What do your 80's action movie fantasies have to do with criminals?
No you don't see cops doing back flips and kung-fu moves (Are you eleven???), you also don't see very many criminals doing backflips because they're not cartoon characters.
And guess what dude not every cop and soldier is the most professional being on the planet, just like criminals they are also people and they make all the same dumb mistakes as people.[/QUOTE]
Except the mistakes criminals make tend to be very final and usually grant them with an unmarked grave in some backwoods cemetery.
Just like I won't emphasize with people who drive off cliffs due to texting or speaking on the phone, I will not emphasize with robbers who die during their act of crime. You decide to rob someone, so you better the prepared for the fact that it might be the last thing you ever do.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;42509160]
the gun is only actually going to be used on you if you don't comply[/QUOTE]
^ this. nobody is going to rob and THEN shoot you. If they had the intention of killing you, they'd do it before they robbed you. it makes the robbery easier for them. but if they don't, they just want your stuff and not to kill you.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;42509160]
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
the gun is only actually going to be used on you if you don't comply[/QUOTE]
oh ok guys my mistake, i didnt realise its ok to shoot someone if they dont do what you want, never mind guys
[QUOTE=Hellduck;42509160]that was your point, you were the one going on about how the guy was a sweet innocent angel and didnt deserve to be shot but the robber did because he robs people. what if the guy getting robbed was an even worse person?
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
the gun is only actually going to be used on you if you don't comply[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with him being a sweet innocent angel. I would not like to think that walking out of my own front door and going for a drive could end up with someone pointing a gun in my face. I'm saying he's just a normal dude, and it sucks that he had to have his life threatened because an individual wanted a quick buck. The robber is the one who is dehumanizing and lessening the value of human life.
[QUOTE=Jallen;42509178]oh ok guys my mistake, i didnt realise its ok to shoot someone if they dont do what you want, never mind guys[/QUOTE]
wow it's almost as if you don't understand risk minimization in a crisis!
I'm not as uninformed as a lot of you desperately want to believe. A lot of it comes from what I believe is obviously the right thing to do, and some of it comes from knowledge from my dad, who has in the past worked as a hostage negotiator for the police.
Life preservation is literally always the most important thing. You never want a person to die, and do anything to prevent it. Perpetrator or otherwise. And even if a perp IS killed, and it is deemed just, nobody is happy about that fact. People are glad nobody else got hurt but nobody is glad somebody had to die. But it seems like people here are glad that a 'scumbag' died.
I know a thing or two about what is acceptable self defense and when to defend yourself and when to let it happen. Never draw a gun on someone robbing you. Not ever. It's the dumbest thing you can do. Nobody's saying the robber is just. But nobody has to get hurt in a bad situation like that.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;42509160]that was your point, you were the one going on about how the guy was a sweet innocent angel and didnt deserve to be shot but the robber did because he robs people. what if the guy getting robbed was an even worse person?
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
the gun is only actually going to be used on you if you don't comply[/QUOTE]
So your point is, we should let people steal stuff because it's more humane ?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509177]^ this. nobody is going to rob and THEN shoot you. If they had the intention of killing you, they'd do it before they robbed you. it makes the robbery easier for them. but if they don't, they just want your stuff and not to kill you.[/QUOTE]
What an awful mentality to have. How do you know what they're thinking? There's some psychopaths out there that may do it for fun. How do you know his trigger finger wouldn't slip? How do you know he wouldn't become startled and shoot, or mistakenly think you're not complying? Too many if's to be so sure that he wouldn't shoot you. It's ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509184]wow it's almost as if you don't understand risk minimization in a crisis![/QUOTE]
Not for nothing here but he could have also emptied his pockets giving the motorcycle thief everything, complying in every way possible, then said thief could have shot him in the head as he drove off.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42509185]So your point is, we should let people steal stuff because it's more humane ?[/QUOTE]
Than killing them? Yes, the loss of a flatscreen TV is far more humane than gunning someone down.
I can't believe this is a difficult concept to grasp for so many people
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509184]wow it's almost as if you don't understand risk minimization in a crisis![/QUOTE]
The point is it doesn't matter. If you point a gun at an innocent man's head, you have already committed the equivalent of murder. Whether he pulls the trigger or would have pulled the trigger in certain circumstances are irrelevant.
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509191]What an awful mentality to have. How do you know what they're thinking? There's some psychopaths out there that may do it for fun. How do you know his trigger finger wouldn't slip? How do you know he wouldn't become startled and shoot, or mistakenly think you're not complying? Too many if's to be so sure that he wouldn't shoot you. It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Much better to shoot first and ask questions later
Someone died over a motorbike
[QUOTE=thejjokerr;42509151] Or maybe he was just a criminal looking to get some easy money.[/QUOTE]
That's really 95% of the cases here.
I can say that because i live in the 2nd most violent city in Brazil (aiming to be the 1st).
They joke about killing other people and they smile at the camera if they get to the news.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509177]^ this. nobody is going to rob and THEN shoot you. If they had the intention of killing you, they'd do it before they robbed you. it makes the robbery easier for them. but if they don't, they just want your stuff and not to kill you.[/QUOTE]
That's not true at all, I work with hundreds of police officers and have seen and heard all sorts of shit. A criminal wants you to quickly hand over what they want, and then they'll shoot you. They don't wanna create loud fucking bangs then shuffle through your pockets for 5 minutes looking for you shit, it just doesn't happen that way.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42509193]Than killing them? Yes, the loss of a flatscreen TV is far more humane than gunning someone down.
I can't believe this is a difficult concept to grasp for so many people[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but I'm willing to consider my own property of higher value than the shithead trying to steal it from me.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42509212]I'm sorry but I'm willing to consider my own property of higher value than the shithead trying to steal it from me.[/QUOTE]
Okay cool you're a disturbed shithead congratulations you fit in with the rest of Facepunch
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[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;42509206]Someone died over a motorbike[/QUOTE]
Someone died over a man shoving a gun in an innocent guy's face. The motorbike is not the important thing here. The thief made the choice to put his life on the table for the motorbike.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509177]^ this. nobody is going to rob and THEN shoot you. If they had the intention of killing you, they'd do it before they robbed you. it makes the robbery easier for them. but if they don't, they just want your stuff and not to kill you.[/QUOTE]
Is that a fact or just something you pulled out of your ass?
You do realize that there are people who get kicks out of people being afraid of them? What better way is there than pull out a gun an see someone piss their pants and then shoot them in the face?
Yeah, he is now accused of murder rather than robbery, but does it matter to someone with a mind like that? Fuck no.
[QUOTE=Jallen;42509202]The point is it doesn't matter. If you point a gun at an innocent man's head, you have already committed the equivalent of murder. Whether he pulls the trigger or would have pulled the trigger in certain circumstances are irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
are you serious? the difference between threat and actual murder is irrelevant?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509177]^ this. nobody is going to rob and THEN shoot you. If they had the intention of killing you, they'd do it before they robbed you. it makes the robbery easier for them. but if they don't, they just want your stuff and not to kill you.[/QUOTE]
This is so wrong. You have no idea how this is unnacurate in Brazil.
They want you stuff, if you don't give it to them, you're dead with a shot most likely on the chest.
[QUOTE=Crazy;42509223]Yeah, he is now accused of murder rather than robbery, but does it matter to someone with a mind like that? Fuck no.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Rusty the criminals are all too busy doing backflips to care about murder and robbery, everyone knows that criminals have literally no conscience
[QUOTE=Jallen;42509178]oh ok guys my mistake, i didnt realise its ok to shoot someone if they dont do what you want, never mind guys[/QUOTE]
did i say that?? i said the guys only going to kill you if you dont comply. it's still a crime, the guy should still face trial, but shooting him outright on the spot is pretty ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509230]are you serious?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Pointing a gun at an innocent man is equivalent to murder IMO.
The thought of even holding a gun to someone's head sickens me. It goes to show how mentally unstable and warped this robber was. It really isn't a huge loss to humanity. You're going on about empathy (Rusty), yet the robber clearly had none.
Yes, boohoo he died over a motorbike, but it was his own actions that brought the consequences down upon him. A normal person wouldn't even think about raising a gun to another human being's head. He was scum and knew damn well what he was doing.
It really fucking sucks he died, and I kept hoping an ambulance would turn up (I don't know why one didn't), but at the end of the day, I don't feel terrible over it. If the biker or cop died, then it would have upset me a lot more, since they didn't [I]wake up that morning[/I] with the intent to endanger themselves and others.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42509220]Okay cool you're a disturbed shithead congratulations you fit in with the rest of Facepunch[/QUOTE]
Please give me your address so I can come and take all your shit and you won't be able to do jack because your moral values prevent you from defending yourself against someone actively taking everything you own.
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