[QUOTE=nivek;42509192]Not for nothing here but he could have also emptied his pockets giving the motorcycle thief everything, complying in every way possible, then said thief could have shot him in the head as he drove off.[/QUOTE]
I know a guy who was robbed of his phone. He complied and the thief shot him in the back anyway, guy's paralyzed now.
oh my god this kind of threads again where people try and white knight a guy that has no problem threatening to end some dude's life over fucking material goods.
rusty, people DO get shot after they get robbed, they're covering their tracks, if they think nobody is going to catch them then they might as well do it, like i said in that previous thread, this is the third world (brazil so happens to be right next to venezuela too), these ain't rational people, usually these small time burglars are either really fucking ruthless or just hooked up on so many cheap drugs that they don't give a shit if you die or not, they're uneducated, they think they're hot shit because they have guns, and they won't hesitate to kill you otherwise their bosses wouldn't give them guns in the first place. those aren't for show.
I KNEW people, old ladies too just so you say "OH THEY WERE STRUGGLING" that have been shot for their fucking cell phones. it's much easier to rob a dead person, the sole reason most of the times they don't shoot you is because they're not as likely to get away with it.
the cop wasn't trying to kill him, he was trying to disable him, if somebody robs somebody a gunpoint, and that person is on a fucking bike you don't have the time to wait if they'll drop their weapon, or shoot you instead.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42509245]Please give me your address so I can come and take all your shit and you won't be able to do jack because your moral values prevent you from defending yourself against someone actively taking everything you own.[/QUOTE]
I will defend myself
I won't murder someone over my flatscreen TV
Sorry dude I think people are more important than things what an inept sheltered nerd I am you're so cool and awesome and badass
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509241]The thought of even holding a gun to someone's head sickens me. It goes to show how mentally unstable and warped this robber was. It really isn't a huge loss to humanity. You're going on about empathy (Rusty), yet the robber clearly had none.
[/QUOTE]
So it's okay to not have empathy to someone just because they don't have it for you?
i think you missed the point of empathy
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42509233]Yeah Rusty the criminals are all too busy doing backflips to care about murder and robbery, everyone knows that criminals have literally no conscience[/QUOTE]
are you rusty's best friend or something
[QUOTE=Bora;42509260]are you rusty's best friend or something[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm sucking his dick right now
~Oh Rustyyyyy
Two people can't have the same opinion without it being some sort of personal agreement, duh
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509259][B]So it's okay to not have empathy to someone just because they don't have it for you?[/B]
i think you missed the point of empathy[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=Bora;42509260]are you rusty's best friend or something[/QUOTE]
no just clearly in the minority of reasonable humans
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42509233]Yeah Rusty the criminals are all too busy doing backflips to care about murder and robbery, everyone knows that criminals have literally no conscience[/QUOTE]
If criminals like the one in the video would have any sense of conscience, why are they robbing more than once? If they had a conscience that first robbery would be so traumatic that they don't want to do it again.
But no, they do it again and again. Doesn't sound like conscience is much of a burden for them.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42509245]Please give me your address so I can come and take all your shit and you won't be able to do jack because your moral values prevent you from defending yourself against someone actively taking everything you own.[/QUOTE]
well he could call the police afterwards, and considering youve literally just confessed to it, i think he'd be ok in the long run
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509259]So it's okay to not have empathy to someone just because they don't have it for you?
i think you missed the point of empathy[/QUOTE]
It's rather hard to, to be honest. I can't willingly empathise for someone who could have potentially torn a family apart. I can't help but put myself in the victim's shoes. It depresses me knowing there are people out there who can happily leave their house in the morning with the intent to ruin other people's lives. People who have done nothing to the robber. It just sucks. How can you empathize with someone who is no better than an animal?
[QUOTE=Jallen;42509266]Yes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509259]So it's okay to not have empathy to someone just because they don't have it for you?
[b]i think you missed the point of empathy[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509282]It's rather hard to, to be honest. I can't willingly empathise for someone who could have potentially torn a family apart. I can't help but put myself in the victim's shoes. It depresses me knowing there are people out there who can happily leave their house in the morning with the intent to ruin other people's lives. People who have done nothing to the robber. It just sucks. How can you empathize with someone who is no better than an animal?[/QUOTE]
because it is the correct thing to do
It's like the only way you guys are capable of debating is by using extreme arguments all the time:
"Oh, you're saying that the robber dying isn't that great a loss to humanity? Wow what a bloodthirsty monster you are, I bet you're glad he died, aren't you?!" No, I'm not glad he fucking died, but I'm glad someone innocent got away with their lives.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42509263]Yeah I'm sucking his dick right now[/QUOTE]
it does sound like it actually
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509282]It's rather hard to, to be honest. I can't willingly empathise for someone who could have potentially torn a family apart. I can't help but put myself in the victim's shoes. It depresses me knowing there are people out there who can happily leave their house in the morning with the intent to ruin other people's lives. People who have done nothing to the robber. It just sucks. How can you empathize with someone [b]who is no better than an animal?[/b][/QUOTE]
well thank god everyone is not so conditional about their empathy, or no one would have any
also the bolded bit makes you sound like a nutcase
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508848]Uhh, ask literally ANY police officer. They will say the exact same thing as me. Always comply with a robber. It minimizes risk to anybody. Because the most important thing to preserve is not your cash, but human life.[/QUOTE]
Compliance with robbers/etc is to preserve YOUR life, not the robber's life. That's why any police officer will tell you to comply. So YOU don't get shot.
But at the same time cops will point a gun at the guy in a heartbeat. And thanks to your wisdom we know that it dramatically increases the chances of both parties getting shot, so it kinda looks to me like the robber's life isn't the priority for the cop.
Also advocating being a helpless victim (even when you can defend yourself or other people with a high probability of success) is repulsive. It's not murder for theft. It's saving your or someone else's life BY shooting the guy. Pointing a gun at someone means they are ready to kill that person. You can't act based on the idea "maybe he doesn't really want to kill anyone or maybe he even doesn't have bullets" or you'll get shot in the face.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508848]And it's not your job to fight crime, you're not a police officer.[/QUOTE]
Why is it okay for a cop to stop a crime but not for a civilian? Remember it's not "I'm gonna kill that guy for the crime he's committing" it's "I'm gonna force this guy to stop committing the crime by showing him that I'm ready to seriously injure or even kill him if he doesn't comply, by pointing my gun at them". It was the robber's decision to raise his gun at the cop, and getting shot was the consequence of that decision. HE is the one who should have complied. All his decisions led to his death. He is the only responsible one for his death.
[QUOTE=Bora;42509305]it does sound like it actually[/QUOTE]
I know I agree with his opinions I'm basically his manslave.
Are you, loopoo, Jallen, and the rest of the Gun 'Em Down Gang in the middle of an orgy right now? You all have the same opinions so obviously you're just circlejerking about it, right?
Oh good Silly Sil is here with more lube!
I clearly can't convince anyone that death is always a tragedy and that there are limits to self defense (even in the eyes of the law). So I guess you guys can keep jacking it over dead criminals without anyone to disturb your sick revenge fantasies.
You just can't have the first world mind in a third world country.
It's totally different.
attention everyone: anything rusty says is immediate truth regardless of how stupid it is
[QUOTE=Hellduck;42509311]also the bolded bit makes you sound like a nutcase[/QUOTE]
He's an animal because he's literally thinking about his own wants and desires and not that of anyone else. How does that make me a nutcase? He wants money > he robs someone. Pretty animalistic mindset to have.
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509282]It depresses me knowing there are people out there who can happily leave their house in the morning with the intent to ruin other people's lives.[/QUOTE]
I am quite certain no robber is genuinely happy about what they're doing.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42509314]I know I agree with his opinions I'm basically his manslave.
Are you, loopoo, Jallen, and the rest of the Gun 'Em Down Gang in the middle of an orgy right now? You all have the same opinions so obviously you're just circlejerking about it, right?
Oh good Silly Sil is here with more lube![/QUOTE]
calm down
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509296]because it is the correct thing to do[/QUOTE]
Doing the right thing is pretty shitty compared to getting robber blind.
Hey, at least I did the right thing. Hope that robber has a jolly good time with all my stuff.
Got to love the raging hypocrisy from some people in this thread.
Argue all you want about how it's unjust and inhumane to shoot someone over material possession, if and when you get yourself in that same situation, you will forget literally everything you even said and act in the complete opposite way of what you're currently saying.
Because no one in the world that's even remotely sensible will just let a thief take away their stuff without even trying to punish them.
If your logic made any sense then it would mean that cops are the most inhumane fuckers in the world because they are prepared to kill if the situation demands it.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;42509324]attention everyone: anything rusty says is immediate truth regardless of how stupid it is[/QUOTE]
Attention everyone: Anything the people opposed to Rusty say is immediate truth regardless of how stupid it is
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42509316]I clearly can't convince anyone that death is always a tragedy and that there are limits to self defense (even in the eyes of the law). So I guess you guys can keep jacking it over dead criminals without anyone to disturb your sick revenge fantasies.[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep saying that we don't think it's a tragedy? How many times have I said it sucks that he's died? You're the one who can't be convinced. I told you, you came in this thread with an agenda.
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509343]Why do you keep saying that we don't think it's a tragedy? How many times have I said it sucks that he's died? You're the one who can't be convinced. I told you, you came in this thread with an agenda.[/QUOTE]
He didn't die :v:
[QUOTE=loopoo;42509326]He's an animal because he's literally thinking about his own wants and desires and not that of anyone else. How does that make me a nutcase? He wants money > he robs someone. Pretty animalistic mindset to have.[/QUOTE]
oh sorry i didnt realise you were the guys biographer and know absolutely everything about his mindset and motivations.
and i think its pretty animalistic to be getting so hot under the collar over extra-judicial killings, but w/e
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