"jacking it to dead criminals" and you're lecturing us about empathy? you're the one lessening his death by joking about shit like that.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;42508713]ok prob should have watched the video
just assumed, given facepunch's obsession with unnecessarily violent retribution
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
ok i watched the vid.
my point stands. just let the guy drive off. it's still just a thing. it's not worth potentially killing a man over.[/QUOTE]
What's with all the bad ratings?
Why are you people so quick to strip a person of his right to live over material things? Getting my bike back, I'm not sure if I could cope with the fact that a human being died so I could have my bike. Fuck my bike, preserving a human life is worth more than any amount of money.
Yes, it's not nice to steal a person's bike, but it seems to me that everyone is out to pinpoint an exact, precise detail that turns a person into a thing you are free to kill. Was the gun loaded, did he point it at the person, did he have the intention of killing someone... as if a human stopped being human because of such a thing. A human is a human, poor choices or not. I see no reason to appaude over the killing of a person. My point is that death is ALWAYS tragic. Not something to cheer at or to say he 'deserved' it. Noone deserves death. The robber here had to be put down by the officer because a policeman just can't let an armed man ride off after a robbery. And that's alright. he did his job and he did it well. But I'm not happy the robber is dead. It was simply the logical outcome
[QUOTE=H4ngman;42509377]What's with all the bad ratings?
Why are you people so quick to strip a person of his right to live over material things? Getting my bike back, I'm not sure if I could cope with the fact that a human being died so I could have my bike. Fuck my bike, saving a human life is worth more than any amount of money.
Yes, it's not nice to steal a person's bike, but it seems to me that everyone is out to pinpoint an exact, precise detail that turns a person into a thing you are free to kill. Was the gun loaded, did he point it at the person, did he have the intention of killing someone... as if a human stopped being human because of such a thing.
I'm not sad that the robber got shot, the police officer did what he was supposed to do. But the discussion going on here is like watching a bloodthirsty mob that wants to lynch criminals like it's the wild fucking west.[/QUOTE]
I think people say it's justified because the robber is only thinking about himself, yet they don't realize that he could be a poor person that needs to rob to continue his life rather than either living homeless and/or committing suicide.
[QUOTE=H4ngman;42509377]Getting my bike back, I'm not sure if I could cope with the fact that a human being died so I could have my bike.[/QUOTE]
I can't cope with the fact that a human being died so another selfish "human being" could steal his bike and get away with it just fine and do the same thing when he gets the chance.
Fucking apologizers.
People who are hungry will steal food from markets, not bikes or money to buy cool clothes.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42509426]I think people say it's justified because the robber is only thinking about himself, yet they don't realize that he could be a poor person that [B]needs to rob to continue his life[/B] rather than either living homeless and/or committing suicide.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think we all saw how that plan turned out.
I'd starve before pointing a gun to someone.
[QUOTE=Crazy;42509444]Well, I think we all saw how that plan turned out.[/QUOTE]
Committing crimes is life threatening?
Holy shit I had no idea
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;42509447]I'd starve before pointing a gun to someone.[/QUOTE]
Sure you would
to all you people defending the fucking robbers, ponder on this, [B]why are they stealing some dude's bike if they already have one?[/B]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42509451]Committing crimes is life threatening?
Holy shit I had no idea[/QUOTE]
Also, that's a stupid ideology.
I might just continue with Rustylicious aphorisms, such as "If there's a will, there's a way".
If crime is the only solution you see, you're not looking hard enough.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;42509469]to all you people defending the fucking robbers, ponder on this, [B]why are they stealing some dude's bike if they already have one?[/B][/QUOTE]
Probably because they need to continue to steal to make a living, they don't steal once and become millionaires, use your fucking head.
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Crazy;42509473]Also, that's a stupid ideology.
I might just continue with Rustylicious aphorisms, such as "If there's a will, there's a way".
If crime is the only solution you see, you're not looking hard enough.[/QUOTE]
Sure because all those unemployed people out there have an easy time making money and finding jobs
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
Saying the police shooting the robber in self-defense is justifiable and understandable but saying someone deserves to die is just fucked up
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42509477]Probably because they need to continue to steal to make a living, they don't steal once and become millionaires, use your fucking head.[/QUOTE]
they also [B]use a bike to steal[/B]. with two bikes, they can steal twice as much, should they just find two more guys. hell, get enough bikes and you can start a kidnapping ring where you hold people in big cars at gunpoint, steal their cars, and ride them around town until they give you the cash you want, then you dump them wherever.
how can you defend a lifestyle that by its very essence is endangering society.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42509426]I think people say it's justified because the robber is only thinking about himself, yet they don't realize that he could [B]be a poor person that needs to rob to continue his life rather than either living homeless and/or committing suicide.[/B][/QUOTE]
That guy din't look like a homeless,
Theses type of guys are the ones who robs shit and just sell it to buy stupid shirts, watches, etc.
or he wants to show everyone his "new" motorcycle
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42509477]Probably because they need to continue to steal to make a living, they don't steal once and become millionaires, use your fucking head.
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
Sure because all those unemployed people out there have an easy time making money and finding jobs[/QUOTE]
Do these kids look like outcasts of society? No, they seem pretty capable of doing an honest work, but I guess ballin' like a true Yolo Swaggins is more fun.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;42509522]they also [B]use a bike to steal[/B]. with two bikes, they can steal twice as much, should they just find two more guys. hell, get enough bikes and you can start a kidnapping ring where you hold people in big cars at gunpoint, steal their cars, and ride them around town until they give you the cash you want, then you dump them wherever.
how can you defend a lifestyle that by its very essence is endangering society.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a movie. I'm not defending anyone, hence:
[QUOTE]Saying the police shooting the robber in self-defense is justifiable and understandable but saying someone deserves to die is just fucked up[/QUOTE]
Get to your thick head of yours what other people are trying to tell you, you know, read and comprehend ffs it's like none of you have gone to school
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42509477]
Sure because all those unemployed people out there have an easy time making money and finding jobs[/QUOTE]
"Shit, life is hard right now. I'm buying a gun for 300$ so i can rob people. Surely there's no way around this."
[QUOTE=Big Bang;42509469]to all you people defending the fucking robbers, ponder on this, [B]why are they stealing some dude's bike if they already have one?[/B][/QUOTE]
Dude [del]likes[/del] liked bikes
[QUOTE=H4ngman;42509377]What's with all the bad ratings?
Why are you people so quick to strip a person of his right to live over material things? Getting my bike back, I'm not sure if I could cope with the fact that a human being died so I could have my bike. Fuck my bike, preserving a human life is worth more than any amount of money.
Yes, it's not nice to steal a person's bike, but it seems to me that everyone is out to pinpoint an exact, precise detail that turns a person into a thing you are free to kill. Was the gun loaded, did he point it at the person, did he have the intention of killing someone... as if a human stopped being human because of such a thing. A human is a human, poor choices or not. I see no reason to appaude over the killing of a person. My point is that death is ALWAYS tragic. Not something to cheer at or to say he 'deserved' it. Noone deserves death. The robber here had to be put down by the officer because a policeman just can't let an armed man ride off after a robbery. And that's alright. he did his job and he did it well. But I'm not happy the robber is dead. It was simply the logical outcome[/QUOTE]
He didn't die for stealing a bike. He died because he pointed a gun at a cop.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;42509538]"Shit, life is hard right now. I'm buying a gun for 300$ so i can rob people. Surely there's no way around this."[/QUOTE]
It's Brazil.
Ironic and sarcastic posting will get you nowhere
[editline]13th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42509550]He didn't die for stealing a bike. He died because he pointed a gun at a cop.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it's understandable but ffs none of you know if he would shot or not
[QUOTE=thejjokerr;42509573]Do you ever socialize outside of the internet? Because I can guarantee you that 9 out of 10 people I tell about this video will say the criminal had what's coming to him.
Honestly there's not many people I know that would defend the criminal the way some people here on facepunch do.
YOU may think it's fucked up, but at the same time there's a lot of people (read this thread) that genuinely think a criminal that endangers other people's lives deserves to die.
[B]You may not like it, but GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL that not everyone is like you and probably nobody wants to be.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, shit, that applies to all of you too.
I already said that it's justifiable but coming out like a bloodlust lunatic isn't
[QUOTE]Also you have a fucking heil hitler avatar, why am I even taking anything you say seriously.[/QUOTE]
heh
most people defending these robbers have never been robbed at gunpoint in their life (nor will they ever because they live in a place where law and order actually exists), the reality of this argument is that one side can't even fathom what kind of horrible things these thugs can do for money.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42509556]Exactly, it's understandable but ffs none of you know if he would shot or not[/QUOTE]
Who? The cop? Pointing a gun at someone means "I can seriously injure or kill you in an instant". That's what you base your reaction on. Not on "maybe he doesn't really want to kill anyone today or maybe he doesn't even have bullets".
also seriously, what's the difference between "his death is justified" and "he deserved to die" other than idiotic semantics bullshit? you can sleep soundly at night with one but you have to start an uproar if somebody even mutters the other? criminals get caught, they get killed, if you got a gun somebody else has another gun trained on you, the second you robbed somebody at gunpoint is the second you signed your deathwish.
This guy wasn't robbing because he needed it. Anyone defending this case in particular is very wrong.
I can tell you that thieves here are not robbing to feed their families or something like that. They're robbing because they can't stand having an honest life. They can't buy nice clothes, sunglasses and bikes by working hard and honest here.
If someone gets caught trying to rob food for their family, it's like national super news here.
for the love of god people, just look at his shirt, his glasses, his hat, his everything.
he isn't poor or homeless or anything, hes a stupid fucking guy cheating to be filthy rich.
Jeez Rusty. Are you really that thick?
Nobody here LIKES killing people or seeing people get killed.
What I do like is a robbery at gunpoint end without the loss of innocent life.
Would've been better if noone died, but I'm happy that if someone died then at least it is the robber.
You keep saying the guy should've given the bike up and let insurance handle it.
Isn't that exactly what the guy did though?! He told the robber to remain calm, and that he would give them his key. He gave the key and the robber got on the bike.
The man getting robbed did exactly what you said, and what is indeed the smartest thing to do.
The cop saw this happen from his car, got out of the car and told the robber the stand still.
The robber could've just given up at this point and could've accepted he was busted.
instead he raised his gun to the policeofficer, at which point he forfeited his OWN life.
Not the guy getting robbed, nor the policeofficer are to blame. Just the robber.
I find it kind of worrying you really seem to be too idealistic to be able to accept this.
I don't like the loss of human life any more than you do.
Again, i'm talking about Brazil.
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;42509644]Jeez Rusty. Are you really that thick?
Nobody here LIKES killing people or seeing people get killed.
What I do like is a robbery at gunpoint end without the loss of innocent life.
Would've been better if noone died, but I'm happy that if someone died then at least it is the robber.
You keep saying the guy should've given the bike up and let insurance handle it.
Isn't that exactly what the guy did though?! He told the robber to remain calm, and that he would give them his key. He gave the key and the robber got on the bike.
The man getting robbed did exactly what you said, and what is indeed the smartest thing to do.
The cop saw this happen from his car, got out of the car and told the robber the stand still.
The robber could've just given up at this point and could've accepted he was busted.
instead he raised his gun to the policeofficer, at which point he forfeited his OWN life.
Not the guy getting robbed, nor the policeofficer are to blame. Just the robber.
I find it kind of worrying you really seem to be too idealistic to be able to accept this.
I don't like the loss of human life any more than you do.[/QUOTE]
Rusty abandoned this party a long time ago. Like always.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;42509622]also seriously, what's the difference between "his death is justified" and "he deserved to die" other than idiotic semantics bullshit? you can sleep soundly at night with one but you have to start an uproar if somebody even mutters the other? criminals get caught, they get killed, if you got a gun somebody else has another gun trained on you, the second you robbed somebody at gunpoint is the second you signed your deathwish.[/QUOTE]
Difference is, death was justified meaning the police officer isn't in the wrong, he was just defending himself with appropriate force, but doesn't mean that the guy deserved to die - would be better if he came without trouble and survived. Nobody deserves to die.
Plot twist: He didn't die. I've been saying that for 2 pages now.
also, he should edit and censors some shit he din't, like the police officer's face
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