Pat Condell... A man of a lot of opinion..Strong ones - General

This guy is. Awesome.

I agree with him on his stance on religion, but definitely not on his political view of nationalism as i am a staunch antinationalist

[QUOTE=sp00ks;22396565]I likes his earlier anti-religion movies, but all he does now is say muslims are the worst thing ever and that we should vote for racists.[/QUOTE] You are ignorant and ill-informed if you think UKIP are racist. How about reading their fucking manifesto, because I've read the whole thing and they support british culture, not british ethnicity. They want to cap immigration which is NOT racist. Oh and, "UKIP has no links with the BNP and refuses membership to any persons who have such links." It's extremely rude that you would make such a serious accusation without knowing the facts. [editline]09:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=dirty harry;22395943]I'm afraid you're generalising.[/QUOTE] generalisation - the process of formulating general concepts by abstracting common properties of instances formulating general concepts by abstracting common properties of instances by abstracting common properties of instances common properties Yep. I made a generalisation and I do all the time, because majorities are more important than individuals. I feel assured by the fact that he is the 14th most subscribed guy on the whole of youtube.

[QUOTE=Jallen;22399026] How about reading their fucking manifesto, because I've read the whole thing and they support british culture, not british ethnicity.[/QUOTE] That's ridiculous. British culture is a result of export and import occurring since England became naval. There's no such thing as British culture. [QUOTE=Jallen;22399026]I feel assured by the fact that he is the 14th most subscribed guy on the whole of youtube.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_majority[/url]

[QUOTE=thisispain;22399517]That's ridiculous. British culture is a result of export and import occurring since England became naval. There's no such thing as British culture. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_majority[/url][/QUOTE] First of all, the way british culture has been formed does not somehow invalidate the fact that it is a culture. To say there is no such thing as british culture is ridiculous, because culture exists in every society and ours is unique. Secondly, I expected better of you than to try and use what is a true/false fact based concept on what is clearly a popular [B]opinion[/B]. The fact that so many people subscribe to him doesn't show he is right (that's impossible as opinion cannot be true/false) but it [B]does[/B] show that many people agree with him which is exactly what I find assuring, that this opinion is NOT a minority.

[QUOTE=Jallen;22399788]First of all, the way british culture has been formed does not somehow invalidate the fact that it is a culture. To say there is no such thing as british culture is ridiculous, because culture exists in every society and ours is unique.[/QUOTE] That's not the fucking point. How do you define British culture? It's a dangerous concept. [QUOTE=Jallen;22399788]Secondly, I expected better of you than to try and use what is a true/false fact based concept on what is clearly a popular [B]opinion[/B]. The fact that so many people subscribe to him doesn't show he is right (that's impossible as opinion cannot be true/false) but it [B]does[/B] show that many people agree with him which is exactly what I find assuring, that this opinion is NOT a minority.[/QUOTE] what's your point

[QUOTE=Jallen;22394949]My point is that anyone who dismisses the validity of his points by labelling him as self-righteous or blindly labels him a racist, is an idiot. The majority of his critics are just butthurt or simply too stupid to understand and think he is victimising muslims. [editline]06:18PM[/editline] The majority of those muslims you say about live in islamic countries and are extremely sexist and would see nothing wrong with punishing women for being raped by stoning. Peaceful muslims, pacifists, great, they are peaceful... but wait, they still have the women in their family degrade their dignity by making them wear that sexist face covering clothing? Thats something I cannot respect. Peaceful or not, I disagree with, and find offensive, so many fundamental islamic views. Oh and lets not forget that pakistan banned facebook and youtube just because of the draw mohammed day. That completely backs up the generalisation that islam opposes free speech.[/QUOTE] Missinterpretation, of course its not the girls fault if she gets raped everybody knows that, and honor killings are not very honor-y if you know what I mean. We don't force the burkah, niqab or veil upon our women, they decide for themselves. Islam does not oppose freedom of speech. Have you ever read that amendment even? It says freedom of speech UNLESS, you degrade. Do you really think those websites would have been banned if they was to compliment our prophet, take me for an example. Am I hitting my girlfriend? Am I forcing a veil upon her? Does it matter to me that she's a christian? The christians and the original jewish are our brothers in religion. We are the children of the books as the qur'an states. Now extremists are not considered muslims. But fine keep your opinion, in this brainwashed world of bullshit the few hundred stand out and make the resting 1199 billion people oppressed. Now when you have me as an example, 1199 billion muslims act like me, and live peacefully following the book never hurting a fly.

[QUOTE=layla;22372788]He's a racist btw[/QUOTE] There was early stuff he made that led some to believe he was racist, I've seen his older stuff and I have to disagree. He only talks out against things that prevent freedom of speech and peace. There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind, even intensely, but when you resort to force or physical action to push your views, that's extremism. There is no diplomacy in extremism, and no peace. Condell fits right next to people like King Jr. If you are offended by listening to Pat Condell, you are only hearing what you want to hear, you are hurt that he offended you.

[QUOTE=Hostel;22400347]There was early stuff he made that led some to believe he was racist, I've seen his older stuff and I have to disagree. He only talks out against things that prevent freedom of speech and peace.[/QUOTE] You can't possibly refute the fact that he's a racist, he targets muslims especially and generalizes so much that it is not even possible. Who in his whole right mind would say "Muslims women that wear a burka is mentally ill" Is he actually trying to control what people wear? Isn't that against some amendment of freedom of speech?

[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;22400454]You can't possibly refute the fact that he's a racist, he targets muslims especially and generalizes so much that it is not even possible. Who in his whole right mind would say "Muslims women that wear a burka is mentally ill" Is he actually trying to control what people wear? Isn't that against some amendment of freedom of speech?[/QUOTE] It goes back to a popular topic of freedom of religion, and freedom from religion. He targets Muslims because their is huge amounts of immigration in the UK as of now. Islamification is happening right now in the country. If I was living there like him, I would be much the same way, why bother talking about things that don't concern you? Sharia law is established in the UK, which means that Muslims can treat women much the same way on British soil. Yet at the same time there is a double standard in which makes it illegal for regular citizens to do the same things. There have been cases of female genital mutilation that have been ignored by authorities because of cultural sensitivity bullshit.

[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;22400164]Missinterpretation, of course its not the girls fault if she gets raped everybody knows that, and honor killings are not very honor-y if you know what I mean. We don't force the burkah, niqab or veil upon our women, they decide for themselves. Islam does not oppose freedom of speech. Have you ever read that amendment even? [B]It says freedom of speech UNLESS, you degrade.[/B] Do you really think those websites would have been banned if they was to compliment our prophet, take me for an example. Am I hitting my girlfriend? Am I forcing a veil upon her? Does it matter to me that she's a christian? The christians and the original jewish are our brothers in religion. We are the children of the books as the qur'an states. Now extremists are not considered muslims. But fine keep your opinion, in this brainwashed world of bullshit the few hundred stand out and make the resting 1199 billion people oppressed. Now when you have me as an example, 1199 billion muslims act like me, and live peacefully following the book never hurting a fly.[/QUOTE] Unacceptable. Conditional freedom of speech is [B]not[/B] freedom of speech. [QUOTE=PjaNoo^;22400454]You can't possibly refute the fact that he's a racist, he targets muslims especially and generalizes so much that it is not even possible. Who in his whole right mind would say "Muslims women that wear a burka is mentally ill" Is he actually trying to control what people wear? Isn't that against some amendment of freedom of speech?[/QUOTE] Muslims aren't a race. Find one racist quote in any of his videos, I bet you can't. The burka is an archaic sign of hideous inequality. The fact that women would want to continue wearing one is bizarre.

[QUOTE=Jallen;22400709]Muslims aren't a race. Find one racist quote in any of his videos, I bet you can't. The burka is an archaic sign of hideous inequality. The fact that women would want to continue wearing one is bizarre.[/QUOTE] I see his point in the video, but the derogatory view that he has about muslims is quite depressing. Jermaine Jackson, for example is a muslim... probably one of the very few popular ones which aren't corrupted by their views. I mean how could a terrorist ever make a track like this? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bFjYqrqq5U[/media] [B][I][U]makes sense[/U][/I][/B] :smug:

He has a British accent and I can not disagree with that.

[QUOTE=Hostel;22400661]Sharia law is established in the UK, which means that Muslims can treat women much the same way on British soil. Yet at the same time there is a double standard in which makes it illegal for regular citizens to do the same things. There have been cases of female genital mutilation that have been ignored by authorities because of cultural sensitivity bullshit.[/QUOTE] Complete lie. Sharia "Law" in the UK is a domestic dispute court only and has to be approved by both parties. People who choose a Sharia court must still follow all British laws.

[QUOTE=Jallen;22400709]Unacceptable. Conditional freedom of speech is [B]not[/B] freedom of speech. Muslims aren't a race. Find one racist quote in any of his videos, I bet you can't. The burka is an archaic sign of hideous inequality. The fact that women would want to continue wearing one is bizarre.[/QUOTE] What is bizzare to you is often not bizzare to someone else. There are different cultures you know and how boring wouldn't life be if everybody was the same. Now the qur'an says do not force the veil or any other sheet upon her, but if she chooses to wear one, you shouldn't dip your nose. If it is forced upon her, go argue with her husband because frankly your arguments are just questions that are answered in the open, if you'd bother to read about islam, you'd ask more complex questions not questions like why do they wear burka which is almost what every guy asks about islam.

[QUOTE=Jallen;22400709] The burka is an archaic sign of hideous inequality. The fact that women would want to continue wearing one is bizarre.[/QUOTE] Women aren't some weak little toads you have to protect. It's their choice.

[QUOTE=Hostel;22400661]It goes back to a popular topic of freedom of religion, and freedom from religion. He targets Muslims because their is huge amounts of immigration in the UK as of now. Islamification is happening right now in the country. If I was living there like him, I would be much the same way, why bother talking about things that don't concern you? Sharia law is established in the UK, which means that Muslims can treat women much the same way on British soil. Yet at the same time there is a double standard in which makes it illegal for regular citizens to do the same things. There have been cases of female genital mutilation that have been ignored by authorities because of cultural sensitivity bullshit.[/QUOTE] Then the government was wrong, they should have punished that guy like everybody else. Islamification is not happening in the country, the islamification process starts first of all when you've gotten a muslim ruler of the country, and even then if he decides to pursue the process he may, but not everyone does it, Obama is a muslim, has any islamification to the country occured yet? I think not.

[QUOTE=Jallen;22400709]Unacceptable. Conditional freedom of speech is [B]not[/B] freedom of speech.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. [editline]02:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PjaNoo^;22400881]Obama is a muslim, has any islamification to the country occured yet? I think not.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? And there's no problem with UK Islam, not even fucking one percent of the population is Muslim.

Think about what some of you are saying, you want to stick to your morals of natural born rights by giving the right of others to oppress the rights of individuals in their group? Quite a paradox.

[QUOTE=Octo pie;22400809]He has a British accent and I can not disagree with that.[/QUOTE] :britain:

[QUOTE=Hostel;22400901]Think about what some of you are saying, you want to stick to your morals of natural born rights by giving the right of others to oppress the rights of individuals in their group? Quite a paradox.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? We are talking about a man who's completely oblivious about Islam in the UK.

[QUOTE=thisispain;22396605]Pat Condell is a misinformed idiot that wallows in his own little circle and smirks because he thinks he's acting cool by being "politically incorrect". He calls out whoever he likes and doesn't have anything interesting to say. All he does is feed into Islamophobia like so many scared British people do. If you actually believe Islam is taking over the UK, you need help.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=84193&dateline=1262122422&type=thumb[/IMG]:hf:[IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=51838&dateline=1271214763[/IMG]

Pat Condell is an awesome guy. He's not scared to speak his mind and most of what he says is true.

[QUOTE=dirty harry;22400953][IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=84193&dateline=1262122422&type=thumb[/IMG]:hf:[IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=51838&dateline=1271214763[/IMG][/QUOTE] sup It pisses me off because if we are to be a liberal nation, one that wants to be preach freedom and tolerance, we have to allow their views and show them calmly that our ways and their ways can co-exist. Yet British people insist on creating an angry and bitter climate that brews extremism.

OP is a obvious troll, he knew that this would spark a religious debate therefore he superliminated it by admiring Pat. Thank you so much OP for waking up your troll brethren which hate islam so much that when you present answers to them they try to teach you about your own religion. You guys don't want to learn about islam, and when I present an answer to you. You go mr wiseguy and say its like this not that. I'm through with arguing for my religion, its a never ending battle, we're going to be oppressed forever, because of people like you, and then people like you tell their son a/o grandson that muslims are scumbags that need to be cleansed from the earth, then maybe that grandson will become a president of a country and instate laws against muslims. It looks like we're devolving, we were evolving until now, and we were at best when we let the black slaves go. But now we're going down the same road again. Don't you see, you're hating on an entire population, every single one with a life and interests like yours. That can feel love and hate, jealousy and compassion, superior and inferior.

[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;22400997]OP is a obvious troll, he knew that this would spark a religious debate therefore he superliminated it by admiring Pat. Thank you so much OP for waking up your troll brethren which hate islam so much that when you present answers to them they try to teach you about your own religion. You guys don't want to learn about islam, and when I present an answer to you. You go mr wiseguy and say its like this not that. I'm through with arguing for my religion, its a never ending battle, we're going to be oppressed forever, because of people like you, and then people like you tell their son a/o grandson that muslims are scumbags that need to be cleansed from the earth, then maybe that grandson will become a president of a country and instate laws against muslims. It looks like we're devolving, we were evolving until now, and we were at best when we let the black slaves go. But now we're going down the same road again. Don't you see, you're hating on an entire population, every single one with a life and interests like yours. That can feel love and hate, jealousy and compassion, superior and inferior.[/QUOTE] Kind of preachy but hey why not. And Obama isn't a Muslim I don't know where you heard that.

[QUOTE=thisispain;22400883]Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. [editline]02:54PM[/editline] What the fuck are you talking about? And there's no problem with UK Islam, not even fucking one percent of the population is Muslim.[/QUOTE] Your a idiot. [IMG]http://www.statistics.gov.uk/images/charts/293.gif[/IMG] The UK population: by religion, April 2001 (It's over 9 years old, so it's more than that now.) Source: [url]http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=293[/url] Denominations in Great Britain (2007 BSA) Religion/Denomination Percent % No religion 45.7 Church of England 20.9 Roman Catholic 9.0 Presbyterian/Church of Scotland 2.8 Methodist 1.9 Other Protestant 2.7 Christian (no denomination) 10.3 Other Christian 0.4 Muslim 3.3 Hindu 1.4 Jewish 0.4 Sikh 0.4 Other Religion 0.4 Refused / NA 0.5 Source: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom[/url]

[QUOTE=thisispain;22400883]Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. [editline]02:54PM[/editline] What the fuck are you talking about? And there's no problem with UK Islam, not even fucking one percent of the population is Muslim.[/QUOTE] -snip- was a rumor

[QUOTE=Jallen;22376770] [editline]10:05PM[/editline] If everyone thought like that we would, god forbid (figure of speech, athiest), be living under shariah law. Extremists do not know injustice, you fool, they fucking kill innocents. The concept of them wanting a massive mosque at ground zero does nothing but show the dominant nature of islam. As I've said so many times before, western culture will struggle forever to live side by side with islam because islam does not live side by side, it dominates.[/QUOTE] Oh wow, you always struck me as a sensible person, at least in the Programming forum, but really: "Islam dominates"? That is the stupidest generalization I have heard. I know past actions do not justify current ones, but all religions dominate people, cultures and other religions. Do you think the reason why Christianity is the largest religion today is because it is so peaceful and loving and people jump on the idea of embracing Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour? No, it is because European colonists brought their religion wherever they went and converted local populations. The reason why South America is so devout is because of all the missionaries who worked there. Or let's talk Inquisition. You know the time where people were stretched till their bones popped out, were put into metal oxen and slowly roasted or were flayed alive, just because they were of a different religion. As I said before things that happened in the past do not necessarily justify things done today, but actions of a few do not represent the whole. I could call all Americans bloodthirsty idiots, because of all the wars they start, but that would be ignorant of me, because only a fraction of Americans actually fit this description. Equating Islam with being "dominating" and "violent" because of a small portion of the population, who are called extremists for a reason, is not different. And for the record, I do not support neither the terrorist actions and targetting of civilians by those deranged minds nor building a mosque right next to Ground Zero, not because it would empower the terrorists, but because it would be disrespectful of the dead. I also do not support building a church, a synagogue or a stupa right next to the site, for the same reason. Many people, from all kinds of different backgrounds died and building something dedicated to a single religion is just wrong.

Fine, I had some outdated information. But 2.7 percent is hardly that big of a difference. [editline]03:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PjaNoo^;22401048]I'm talking about the united states, they have a muslim president, has any islamification happened to the united states yet, I think not.[/QUOTE] OBAMA ISN'T A MUSLIM, STOP IT. caps so you see it