• The Facepunch Graphic Design Thread
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[QUOTE=Smeetin;32192167] [IMG]http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4316/gamecloud.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] That is fucking sexy dude. Well done.
[QUOTE=AshMan55;32250816]Trying to get work placement is hard, and I gotta find it soon or I'm going to fail. I've been cold calling/emailing with my folio to about 30+ places and no luck. Autumn I remember you mentioned doing some a while ago. Got any tips?[/QUOTE] just be persistent! don't be persistent to the point of being annoying/weird, but keep emailing people every few weeks. don't send exactly the same wording and subject every time, but mix it up slightly whilst still giving the same amount of information over. have you had any responses from anyone at all? the way i did it was send a first email, to establish contact, explaining who you were and what you were looking for. mention that you have a digital portfolio available for them to see if they want to see some examples of your work. then if/when you get a reply they ask to see your work, which you then send over, then hopefully you hear back from them and an interview gets arranged. with the main placement i have set up for at the moment, we got as far as being invited for an interview, to which i replied, and then i didn't hear back from her for a month. i had to send 2 more emails before i got a reply, then i went in for the interview and got the job. so it's a case of being persistent, because a lot of companies will be busy, and emails can very easily slip under their radar. [QUOTE=Goodthief;32250835]I did one too! but yeah, don't email talk to them in person. It's hard to ignore a person in front of you[/QUOTE] this is not realistic in most design agencies. they don't have the time to open the door to a stranger and go through your portfolio and make a decision on whether they can offer you a placement or not. if you turn up unannounced you're more than likely to be turned away, and possibly be seen as a bit weird. that might be how it works in malaysia, but definitely not in london, and i doubt in australia either.
[QUOTE=Autumn;32251009]just be persistent! don't be persistent to the point of being annoying/weird, but keep emailing people every few weeks. don't send exactly the same wording and subject every time, but mix it up slightly whilst still giving the same amount of information over. have you had any responses from anyone at all? the way i did it was send a first email, to establish contact, explaining who you were and what you were looking for. mention that you have a digital portfolio available for them to see if they want to see some examples of your work. then if/when you get a reply they ask to see your work, which you then send over, then hopefully you hear back from them and an interview gets arranged. with the main placement i have set up for at the moment, we got as far as being invited for an interview, to which i replied, and then i didn't hear back from her for a month. i had to send 2 more emails before i got a reply, then i went in for the interview and got the job. so it's a case of being persistent, because a lot of companies will be busy, and emails can very easily slip under their radar. this is not realistic in most design agencies. they don't have the time to open the door to a stranger and go through your portfolio and make a decision on whether they can offer you a placement or not. if you turn up unannounced you're more than likely to be turned away, and possibly be seen as a bit weird. that might be how it works in malaysia, but definitely not in london, and i doubt in australia either.[/QUOTE] Yeah I have got some replies saying they didn't do placement, didn't have room/time blah blah. A lot of people never reply even after sending a follow-up. Thanks for the advice.
regrettably i think placements are getting harder and harder to find, and the places that do still offer placements are becoming less and less likely to pay you for them. which is a joke when they expect you to work full time for them for 1+ month with no pay. out of our year, where about 20 people who were hoping to go on placement, only 3 of us have ended up in london, and it's hard finding ones even around here, where there are masses of design companies. we have a friend who's gone to True North (manchester) for a whole year, and they've now decided that they're not going to pay her. we've had students from our uni going every single year and they've always been paid for the entirety, but they said to her that after she received her first month's pay-cheque that was it, they're not gonna pay her for the rest of the year. it's really, really bad. she's got an apartment to pay for and everything... and she said she would take the placement for a year on the basis that she would be paid, as it has been for every previous student. so we don't know what she's gonna do. she'll probably have to drop a couple of weekdays from True North and get another job. no free time for her!
Graphical Design is a horrible business branch. Most companies consists of 2-5 people and they have no need for more people. And as you say, if you want a job you have to be prepared for possibly not getting paid for a long time, if at all.
It's what we put up with for doing what we love. [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Autumn;32251009]this is not realistic in most design agencies. they don't have the time to open the door to a stranger and go through your portfolio and make a decision on whether they can offer you a placement or not. if you turn up unannounced you're more than likely to be turned away, and possibly be seen as a bit weird. that might be how it works in malaysia, but definitely not in london, and i doubt in australia either.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I doubt that would be advisable here too. I tried calling in the beginning but they either say no straight up or just tell you to send your folio through email.
[QUOTE=dgg;32251122]Most companies consists of 2-5 people and they have no need for more people.[/QUOTE] uh, maybe in norway. not in london. [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=dgg;32251122]And as you say, if you want a job you have to be prepared for possibly not getting paid for a long time, if at all.[/QUOTE] our tutor has advised us not to take unpaid placements, as it's not worth our time.
A Chinese girl did her placement at a Chinese newspaper and the guy that runs it only pays males. Might have been just placements but still. What an asshole.
[QUOTE=Autumn;32251217]uh, maybe in norway. not in london. our tutor has advised us not to take unpaid placements, as it's not worth our time.[/QUOTE] Here there is a shitload of small companies trying to get jobs to do. Not that many big companies. I would agree with that. But taking unpaid jobs to build up a good portfolio can be a good thing if the company is well known.
[QUOTE=Autumn;32250742]i was actually doing some research into aztec stuff for a redesign for this [t]http://cdn1.shopperhive.co.uk/n/whittard-of-chelsea-aztec-chilli-hot-chocolate.jpg[/t] i think you're on the right line! the faces are a big thing, all their gods and stuff, and then some geometric patterns around the side. i think your current design definitely 'says' aztec, if that's what you're asking.[/QUOTE] whoah, are you actually working for Whittard's or is it just an exercise?
[QUOTE=imMonkeyGOD;32250570]Made a shirt design [IMG]http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc209/imMonkeyGOD/Stingers.png?t=1315831234[/IMG] Distressed, vintage shirt style. It's my school's football mascot.[/QUOTE] post that in the shirt design thread :D and also, I am finding this design job debate very interesting. It was because of these reasons that I am rethinking my choices for university..
[QUOTE=D3TBS;32252599]And also, I am finding this design job debate very interesting. It was because of these reasons that I am rethinking my choices for university..[/QUOTE] If you're doing Graphical Design for the money then you've misunderstood it anyways.
[QUOTE=wewt!;32211614]in fact I just want to forget that poster ever existed[/QUOTE] [SUP]nope[/SUP][SUB]nope[/SUB][SUP]nope[/SUP][SUB]nope[/SUB][SUP]nope[/SUP]nope they chose the design but only with black + blue I have till wednesday to fix whatever I don't like
[QUOTE=dgg;32252774]If you're doing Graphical Design for the money then you've misunderstood it anyways.[/QUOTE] lmao, when did he ever say that?? [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Alcapwne;32252527]whoah, are you actually working for Whittard's or is it just an exercise?[/QUOTE] hahah, no way. that would be cool though, i like a lot of their stuff :v: it's a good exercise to find design you don't like, and redesign it. one of our third year projects is to pick an item from a supermarket that we hate the packaging of, and repackage it to be much better. i alsdo need to get some more packaging in my portfolio, at the moment i just have 1 piece, and it's pretty bland.
[QUOTE=dgg;32252774]If you're doing Graphical Design for the money then you've misunderstood it anyways.[/QUOTE] if I was going, then it would because I liked it. And I do, but then again, having economical struggles is a bit unappealing. So I thought of taking an architecture course and leave the design and all that for later, since I can also design without an university degree (to an extent)
if you wanna go into graphic design, study graphic design if you wanna go into architecture, study architecture don't start out in one on the premise you'll be able to do the other on the side.
[QUOTE=Autumn;32254728]lmao, when did he ever say that??[/QUOTE] The discussion is about how horrible it is to become a Graphical Designer economical wise, which is the one he reacted to. It's pretty normal to be a freelancer for some years and have a job on the side. [QUOTE=D3TBS;32254780]if I was going, then it would because I liked it. And I do, but then again, having economical struggles is a bit unappealing. So I thought of taking an architecture course and leave the design and all that for later, since I can also design without an university degree (to an extent)[/QUOTE] Economical struggle if you go full-on Graphical Designer from the bat, but if you have a job on the side and do a lot of designer jobs whilst sending applications to several companies, then it shouldn't be a problem, just a matter of time and skill.
[QUOTE=dgg;32254879]The discussion is about how horrible it is to become a Graphical Designer economical wise, which is the one he reacted to. It's pretty normal to be a freelancer for some years and have a job on the side. Economical struggle if you go full-on Graphical Designer from the bat, but if you have a job on the side and do a lot of designer jobs whilst sending applications to several companies, then it shouldn't be a problem, just a matter of time and skill.[/QUOTE] yep that's what I hope for. Thanks for the info :)
Guys I can't draw if I don't have a reference picture or a picture resembling on what I'm going to draw. I don't have enough imagination. How does one fix this?
[QUOTE=Joppari;32255313]Guys I can't draw if I don't have a reference picture or a picture resembling on what I'm going to draw. I don't have enough imagination. How does one fix this?[/QUOTE] get a reference picture, or just mess around until you get it right
[QUOTE=Joppari;32255313]Guys I can't draw if I don't have a reference picture or a picture resembling on what I'm going to draw. I don't have enough imagination. How does one fix this?[/QUOTE] it's not a problem really. i think the best way to solve this is to draw a lot of different objects exhaustively, so you study it's proportions thouroughly. It's not about imagination, it's about memory
[QUOTE=Joppari;32255313]Guys I can't draw if I don't have a reference picture or a picture resembling on what I'm going to draw. I don't have enough imagination. How does one fix this?[/QUOTE] It could just be a memory issue (I like remember the important features of something but then I forget how to link them together properly sometimes,like with pigs) You can try to improve this by getting a reference, drawing it, then getting rid of the reference and your original drawing and drawing it again from memory. Rinse and repeat. Or you can just draw what you like from reference or imagination or whatever over and over until it becomes second nature. (I can always draw humans because i've drawn them so many times). human nature
[QUOTE=Joppari;32255313]Guys I can't draw if I don't have a reference picture or a picture resembling on what I'm going to draw. I don't have enough imagination. How does one fix this?[/QUOTE] Oh i posted this in wrong thread. Was going to post in creative work that doesnt deserve a thread. But thanks for the advice
In Illustrator CS5, how can I combine the bottom of one letter into the top of another? So that the tail of a 'p' is merged with the top of a 'd'? [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] I figured it out. I had to use the Pathfinder. I'm really new to Illustrator.
Help me make this better. (right click > view image) [quote][img]http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1278/cardinal1.png[/img][/quote] Other than making some of the lines bigger so it scales down, what should I do to it? My school wanted a new mascot logo. We've been bouncing around these for the last few years: [quote] [img]http://www.nelsoncountyfootball.com/Cardinal%20Logo.png[/img] [img]http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/177/full/2641.gif[/img] [img]http://www.bsu.edu/news/media/88047/cardinal.jpg[/img] [/quote] ...we even used THIS for a little while: [quote][img]http://www.raustin1.com/images/graphic-mascot.jpg[/img][/quote] Help me FP.
all of them miss the edgy competitive look imo [quote][img]http://www.bsu.edu/news/media/88047/cardinal.jpg[/img][/quote] this one is cool, but not really for a mascot logo i guess.
So they picked my poster design and told me to limit the colours, so now I sent these four versions and am going to let them decide (it's a recruitment poster for our school magazine) [img]http://u.cubeupload.com/Signal/verzije.png[/img] I know it's bad If I wasn't sick and had some time left I would redesign the whole thing but whatevs
School magazine recruitment? The what and how the whoza?! I thought it was some sort of portfolio cover-ish thing, or something along those lines.
[QUOTE=wewt!;32268723]So they picked my poster design and told me to limit the colours, so now I sent these four versions and am going to let them decide (it's a recruitment poster for our school magazine) [img]http://u.cubeupload.com/Signal/verzije.png[/img] I know it's bad If I wasn't sick and had some time left I would redesign the whole thing but whatevs[/QUOTE] I really like that spray paint style lettering.
[QUOTE=dgg;32268949]School magazine recruitment? The what and how the whoza?! I thought it was some sort of portfolio cover-ish thing, or something along those lines.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's a big A2 poster It's not a portfolio thing :v: I'm not a news writer or a photographer, but I do both illustration and design in the newspaper along with other designers and illustrators, I think there's a couple of guys who do both at the same time as well. [QUOTE=jenny7332;32269002]I really like that spray paint style lettering.[/QUOTE] It's styled after the magazine's original logo, which was made with the MSPaint spraycan tool :v: it doesn't really fit the rest of the style but it took forever to make so I put it as an option anyway
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